bitofaperv

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In a perfect world, updates would come every 1-2 months, like with Tell Tale Games. That way, things stay fresh without getting boring. But with small teams, often just one person, that’s just not realistic. I think it’s just an inevitable situation, that you forget stories or even games, or rather wait until something is finished or had enough updates for a couple of days playtime unless you are superfan and replay it anyways each update or have elite level memory. Waiting a year for just two hours of story doesn’t seem worth it. Still, a lot of these visual novels are passion projects, and if I had the skills for writing and design, I wouldn’t want to hand that off either. Discovering a new VN is great, and Eternum is messing up my sleep schedule since two weeks, but I already know that it won’t be finished in the next two years.
Telltale develop for a year or more before the first episode is released. They can release them quickly because it is a release strategy, not a cycle. Almost everything is done, aside from polish, before that first episode releases.
 
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Telltale develop for a year or more before the first episode is released. They can release them quickly because it is a release strategy, not a cycle. Almost everything is done, aside from polish, before that first episode releases.
I wasn't trying to imply that TT created the episodes in just a months time, just that it's a good release cycle for VNs.
 

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It's completely unrealistic.

Most AVNs do not earn enough to be any more than a hobby. There are probably only 2 (Summertime Saga, and Being a DIK) that actually earn enough to have anything more than one or two guys working on it - and you'd need a team of 10+ to have meaningful updates every 2-3 months. Fuck, even big MMOs with hundreds of staff struggle to produce a couple of hours of story content in 4-5 months patch cycles.
I wouldn't call earning more than 10k/month a "hobby":
Caribdis himself gets like 20k clean (avg 29k minus 20% VAT and minus 5% patreon).
 
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So the 4 scenes will be:
1. Nova and mommy at the pirate server
2. Annie date
3. Dalia fat Ass (most hyped for this one)
4. ????? (To be honest idc as long we can smash Dalia ass)

ps. favorite girl is Dalia
Wouldn´t mind any of them.
Apart from Dalia, which everyone pretty much agrees is a sure thing, I would think it will be this:

1 - Dalia (no ass smashing for now)
2 - Annie´s first penetration sex scene
3 - Something lewd with Calypso (probably bj)
4 - On this one, I´m still betting on a surprise threesome.
 
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lorkdubo

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Wouldn´t mind any of them.
Apart from Dalia, which everyone pretty much agrees is a sure thing, I would think it will be this:

1 - Dalia (no ass smashing for now)
2 - Annie´s first penetration sex scene
3 - Something lewd with Calypso (probably bj)
4 - On this one, I´m still betting on a surprise threesome.
He did foreshadow us, Luna/Annie Threesome. We also go to the space server with, surprise, Luna and Annie. So... maybe. It will be to soon, though.
 
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bitofaperv

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I wouldn't call earning more than 10k/month a "hobby":
Caribdis himself gets like 20k clean (avg 29k minus 20% VAT and minus 5% patreon).
It's not. It's a decent income: for a single worker.

Caribdis pays for his animator, and outsourcing others things, on top of his electric use (I use HS2 Studio and it is constantly 100% load on my 3070, it's really inefficient when idle). His pre tax take home after costs is probably more like 15k, which is still under $200k per year and the sort of figure you need to raise a family on a single income in a developed nation.

It is not a figure you can pay employees a decent wage on. This was the key part of my statement and why I stated that only the scam lord DarkCookie and Dr Pink Cake have the monthly income to have a team.

Any AVN dev with 1k patrons can call it their job, rather than a hobby - but how many can boast that? I'm often looking at Patreon pages. It's only in the last year that Pale Carnations has crossed this number, despite being the highest rated title here for years. Outstanding titles like Leaving DNA have only 300.

The fact is, most are only able to treat it like a hobby. Caribdis being able to take home the same money as a middle-level google employee is a massive anomoly. DPC and DC bringing in 50-100k per month is an even greater anomoly.
 

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Oi Prezident found a friend for you that also wants "Mommy" Calypso... :KEK: :KEK:
I mean seeing how both her and EMPRESS CARTA I are prime HAG material was the outcome ever in doubt?
Just look at them. THEY'RE SCREAMING TO BE BREED:BootyTime:
Eternum36.png Eternumv6 21-1(Deer Calypso).png
HAG LOVE 2.jpg

And yes, for all of those uninitiated, this is a 4Chan meme that got mainstream with the birth of VTubers..... Especially MamaTubers. And now, a creative reading of the trend:

Personally, I don't like how the new title screen seems less immersive compared to the first one, but I guess it's a bit better than looking at a brick wall. :HideThePain:
Talking the title screen.jpg
 
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It's not. It's a decent income: for a single worker.

Caribdis pays for his animator, and outsourcing others things, on top of his electric use (I use HS2 Studio and it is constantly 100% load on my 3070, it's really inefficient when idle). His pre tax take home after costs is probably more like 15k, which is still under $200k per year and the sort of figure you need to raise a family on a single income in a developed nation.

It is not a figure you can pay employees a decent wage on. This was the key part of my statement and why I stated that only the scam lord DarkCookie and Dr Pink Cake have the monthly income to have a team.

Any AVN dev with 1k patrons can call it their job, rather than a hobby - but how many can boast that? I'm often looking at Patreon pages. It's only in the last year that Pale Carnations has crossed this number, despite being the highest rated title here for years. Outstanding titles like Leaving DNA have only 300.

The fact is, most are only able to treat it like a hobby. Caribdis being able to take home the same money as a middle-level google employee is a massive anomoly. DPC and DC bringing in 50-100k per month is an even greater anomoly.
You are kinda delusional if you think that $200k/year is something normal. Anywhere in the world $100k is GOOD SALARY.
 

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You are kinda delusional if you think that $200k/year is something normal. Anywhere in the world $100k is GOOD SALARY.
It should be obvious that Cari makes good money with the game, yes. But one point actually is, that it isn't a salary and depending on the country (Cari lives in Spain as far as we know), you have to pay a lot more as a self-employed worker or contractor than you would have to with a salary. Stuff like health insurance, pension funds, taxes and so on will generally cost a lot more for Cari than for someone working at a company even living in the same area as him. At least that's how it is in most countries.
 

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You are kinda delusional if you think that $200k/year is something normal. Anywhere in the world $100k is GOOD SALARY.
Where did I say it wasn't?

To make it clear: If Cari is living in Barcelona or Madrid, $180k is a very good salary, and if he is in a smaller city, or out in the sticks, it's even better; which is why I compared it to mid-level employees at a big tech firm. But it still isn't enough to be able to employ multiple people with very specific and unusual skills (Studio Neo V2, 3D animation, sexual content creation).

And considering how much mainstream creators make in film and video games, I'm not sure, given the sheer number of downloads Eternum gets, that Cari would be all that happy taking home $60k so he could employ two other people to speed up development. You make something this popular and get a 33% uplift from the median US salary, you wonder what you're leaving on the table.

We're not talking about enterprise-level money here, where the founding of a company is possible.

It gets really annoying, really fast, when people quote you out of context repeatedly on the same damn conversation.
 
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