Ren'Py Everything Changes! [v2.5] [Arufuredo]

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pilgrim2003

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Caro Arufuredo
thanks for the update, you know I like your work very much, but honestly, I think the way Ethan is "talking" his mind with the prof. Bernard (the first encounter) is already too much. It is crossing the border of stupidity. I am simply annoyed and can't believe him anymore. The second episode with him - in the toilet - is even more unbelievable. Inconsistent with the previous characterisation of Ethan. Please, do not push it so much, prego non spingere cosi tanto, sono sicuro che puoi fare meglio di un sitcom americano :) Grazie!
 
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thanks for the update, you know I like your work very much, but honestly, I think the way Ethan is "talking" his mind with the prof. Bernard (the first encounter) is already too much. It is crossing the border of stupidity. I am simply annoyed and can't believe him anymore. The second episode with him - in the toilet - is even more unbelievable. Inconsistent with the previous characterisation of Ethan. Please, do not push it so much, prego non spingere cosi tanto, sono sicuro che puoi fare meglio di un sitcom americano :) Grazie!
I tend to agree... one thing is the inexperienced ingenue that tries to navigate through his sexuality and surrounded by rather forward people, another is something that feels forced and fake. The internal dialogue has always been a bit too much, if I'm being honest, but the school part is really pushing it. I think it can really be done waaaay more naturally.
 
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The english for this update is somewhat rough. I know it's not easy but it seems it was more difficult this time. I even tried in italian but my italian seems to be more broken than I thought :cry:.
La scrittura anche in Italiano non è che sia di alto livello.
Tanto da farmi pensare che fosse prima scritto in inglese e poi tradotto con Google
Probabilmente è il più grosso difetto del gioco.. (Ad esempio l'uso sconsiderato e martellate del temine "ragazzo" ogni volta che qualcuno si rivolge a Nathan)
Ed è un peccato perché i personaggi sono ben caratterizzati ed interessanti.

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Writing even in Italian is not that it is of a high standard. So much so that I think it was first written in English and then translated with Google

Probably the biggest flaw in the game .. (For example, the reckless use and hammering of the term "Ragazzo" every time someone talk to Nathan)

And it's a shame because the characters are well characterized and interesting.
 
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La scrittura anche in italiano non è che sia di alto livello.
Tanto da farmi pensare che fosse prima scritto in inglese e poi tradotto con Google
Probabilmente è più il grosso difetto del gioco.. (Ad esempio l'uso sconsiderato e martellate del temine "ragazzo" ogni volta che qualcuno si rivolge a Nathan)
Ed è un peccato perché i personaggi sono ben passati ed interessanti.

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Scrivere anche in italiano non è che sia di alto livello. Tanto che penso sia stato scritto prima in inglese e poi tradotto con Google

Probabilmente il difetto più grande del gioco.. (Ad esempio l'uso sconsiderato e martellante del termine "Ragazzo" ogni volta che qualcuno parla con Nathan)

Ed è un peccato perché i personaggi sono ben passati e interessanti.
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Ciao,
ti scrivo in italiano perchè faccio prima, visto che sono italiano e tu hai scritto in italiano, immagino tu sia italiano.
In realtà quando programmo il gioco lo faccio in inglese e nel frattempo scrivo i dialoghi direttamente in italiano, al di là di questo...
se puoi ben vedere, tirò fuori un aggiornamento al mese, tra programmazione, scrittura, rendering e correzioni varie, ricerca audio modifiche ecc. spendo tutto il mio tempo libero a fare questo gioco, sta diventando un lavoro. Sò che l'italiano non è scritto ad alto livello, ma cosa intendi di preciso? un italiano molto forbito non ti farebbe entrare completamente nel gioco o forse si ma tutti i personaggi poi sembrerebbero come se avessero una scopa nel culo, quando avrò personaggi più precisini dovrò scrivere un italiano piu alto o piu attento, invece ho optato per un italiano molto più parlato . Ci sono degli errori.. si è vero e ce ne sono anche un bel pò, a iniziare dalla punteggiatura, ma come ti ho faccio questo gioco completamente da solo e a volte nelle 4000 righe di ogni update che scrivo, se rileggi e rileggi sempre la stessa cosa anche se c'è un errore madornale ti assicuro che non lo noti, se mi metto a fare pure la revisione italiana.. solo quella prende almeno 3 giorni, ma non ho tempo. l'uso sconsiderato del termine ragazzo è abbastanza voluto e il fatto che tu ci abbia giocato e sei stato attento al fatto che io ho usato molto quella parola ma alla fine del gioco il protagonista lo chiami con un diverso nome "Nathan?", mi viene da pensare che sei andato a cercare il pelo nell'uovo. Se sei Italiano e vuoi darmi una mano mi fa piacere, se non vuoi darmi una mano... e vuoi solo segnalarmi di tanto in tanto gli errori, ti ringrazio molto, se questo era solo per criticare, prima di continuare ti dico che da questo gioco non guadagno nulla e facendolo da solo.. ricorda che sto facendo molti mestieri in uno solo... scrittore, sceneggiatore, attore, regista, programmatore, grafico, fotografo, tecnico dell'audio, traduttore, revisore e altri, non posso farli bene tutti come se fossi un professionista e mi dispiace, ma mi dispiace ancora di piu che nonostante tante critiche dove rispondo con cordialità e passione perchè vorrei rendere questo gioco piu alla portata di tutti e rifinirlo... nessuno mi dia una mano, allora li sò che vogliono solo criticare... ma mi chiedo se tutti ci mettiamo solo a criticare chi si mette in gioco a fare queste cose? Può sembrare un pò polemica la risposta che volevo solo farti capire il mio punto di vista. Grazie per il commento ma mi dispiace ancora di piu che nonostante tante critiche dove rispondo con cordialità e passione perchè vorrei rendere questo gioco piu alla portata di tutti e rifinirlo... nessuno mi dia una mano, allora li sò che vogliono solo criticare... ma mi chiedo se tutti ci mettiamo solo a criticare chi si mette in gioco a fare queste cose? Può sembrare un pò polemica la risposta che volevo solo farti capire il mio punto di vista. Grazie per il commento ma mi dispiace ancora di piu che nonostante tante critiche dove rispondo con cordialità e passione perchè vorrei rendere questo gioco piu alla portata di tutti e rifinirlo... nessuno mi dia una mano, allora li sò che vogliono solo criticare... ma mi chiedo se tutti ci mettiamo solo a criticare chi si mette in gioco a fare queste cose? Può sembrare un pò polemica la risposta che volevo solo farti capire il mio punto di vista. Grazie per il commento:) e buona serata
 
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Hello.

There was so much interesting games updating at the same time that I forgot about yours. Sorry :cry:. So thanks to the recent messages for the reminder.

As for the update, I don't really know what to think.
You've certainly made a good amount of work. The art is very good as always. You even seem to have improved the water aspect in the swimming pool compared to the river with Sam. The new characters you've created seemed all very nice and attractive. Prof Bernard is a little too similar to uncle Ray (and apparently it's only me...).
What is putting me out a little is the story telling. Everything goes too fast. And even if I can take the bait of love at first sight, a languid kiss would have been enough. Ethan is practically only thinking about sex at school, totally different from how he behaved at home. The scene when he stumbles upon his teacher masturbating was surrealist. Even if he was in a rush, there was another one nearby. And when you go to pee, you usually choose to be discreet and alone (otherwise, it's a toilet for this kind of encounter and you're expecting/provoking something to happen).

From my point of view, he should have been received by the principal or the professor in charge, explaining how the school works and have someone showing the school ground. And Ethan should be a little more reserved with new people (like he did with Sam at the start), trying to get to know them better at first, even using his mischievous personnality sometimes but not starting directly with sex (the first thing he said after the introduction was something like "oh this boy is watching me and he's clearly interested"...). The sexual tension at the swimming pool was great but a little too much. The prank of losing his swimsuit or someone taking it forcelly could work though. While I'm at it, Ethan should have taken a shower before going in the swimming pool (yeah, I'm nitpicking too much but I always try to find some logic though it's just an adult game, sorry...).

Also, I'm really starting to wonder what path I should choose since all the romance characters are nice.

Good continuation.
 

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Hello.

There was so much interesting games updating at the same time that I forgot about yours. Sorry :cry:. So thanks to the recent messages for the reminder.

As for the update, I don't really know what to think.
You've certainly made a good amount of work. The art is very good as always. You even seem to have improved the water aspect in the swimming pool compared to the river with Sam. The new characters you've created seemed all very nice and attractive. Prof Bernard is a little too similar to uncle Ray (and apparently it's only me...).
What is putting me out a little is the story telling. Everything goes too fast. And even if I can take the bait of love at first sight, a languid kiss would have been enough. Ethan is practically only thinking about sex at school, totally different from how he behaved at home. The scene when he stumbles upon his teacher masturbating was surrealist. Even if he was in a rush, there was another one nearby. And when you go to pee, you usually choose to be discreet and alone (otherwise, it's a toilet for this kind of encounter and you're expecting/provoking something to happen).

From my point of view, he should have been received by the principal or the professor in charge, explaining how the school works and have someone showing the school ground. And Ethan should be a little more reserved with new people (like he did with Sam at the start), trying to get to know them better at first, even using his mischievous personnality sometimes but not starting directly with sex (the first thing he said after the introduction was something like "oh this boy is watching me and he's clearly interested"...). The sexual tension at the swimming pool was great but a little too much. The prank of losing his swimsuit or someone taking it forcelly could work though. While I'm at it, Ethan should have taken a shower before going in the swimming pool (yeah, I'm nitpicking too much but I always try to find some logic though it's just an adult game, sorry...).

Also, I'm really starting to wonder what path I should choose since all the romance characters are nice.

Good continuation.
You know what? you’re right! the mood in the school went too fast! initially the school route was not planned for anything, but then I wanted to insert some extra character and people asked what he was doing beyond the farm etc. etc. but maybe I had to insert only one character with romantic route and work everything more slowly... and since you are not the first who tells me maybe it is not said that I do not rephrase the whole scene from the beginning or rewrite some parts slowing everything etc.! As for Ethan I have to slowly make him be a bit smarter! and I have to continue the story.. because the story is almost stuck at 3 update ago... and I’m slowing down a lot on some aspects to show the changes or occurrences of every day but I can not write every day otherwise this day will be endless. thank you for your message! you were a great help! and please if you have to write me messages of constructive criticism like this, then don’t forget more to play :D thank you thank you thank you thank you
 

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Hello.

You know what? you’re right! the mood in the school went too fast! initially the school route was not planned for anything, but then I wanted to insert some extra character and people asked what he was doing beyond the farm etc. etc. but maybe I had to insert only one character with romantic route and work everything more slowly... and since you are not the first who tells me maybe it is not said that I do not rephrase the whole scene from the beginning or rewrite some parts slowing everything etc.! As for Ethan I have to slowly make him be a bit smarter! and I have to continue the story.. because the story is almost stuck at 3 update ago... and I’m slowing down a lot on some aspects to show the changes or occurrences of every day but I can not write every day otherwise this day will be endless. thank you for your message! you were a great help! and please if you have to write me messages of constructive criticism like this, then don’t forget more to play :D thank you thank you thank you thank you
It's good to see what is happening outside the farm but you have to do it in a way that please you and not to satisfy the players curiosity. I was one of them so I'm also partly to blame but I was just expecting a whole worldbuilding and not only the farm and I want you to find pleasure in doing so and not just pressure because you were asked to. You can even organize some dating with uncle Ray and Sam outside the domain of the farm.
As for other characters, you don't have to focus only on romance. Ethan is young so you can add sex friends, casual relationship, whatever you like, though I think you're more fond of romance and that's what is very likable about your game. And romance can also happen with fellow classmates or schoolmates or even people he can encounter during his quotidian life. Sorry, I'm just trying to give you some ideas to lessen your burden.
And finally, make the game you want. Just think about maintaining a continuity in the story and with the characters, though evolution is also a good thing.

Good continuation.
 
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You know what? you’re right! the mood in the school went too fast! initially the school route was not planned for anything, but then I wanted to insert some extra character and people asked what he was doing beyond the farm etc. etc. but maybe I had to insert only one character with romantic route and work everything more slowly... and since you are not the first who tells me maybe it is not said that I do not rephrase the whole scene from the beginning or rewrite some parts slowing everything etc.! As for Ethan I have to slowly make him be a bit smarter! and I have to continue the story.. because the story is almost stuck at 3 update ago... and I’m slowing down a lot on some aspects to show the changes or occurrences of every day but I can not write every day otherwise this day will be endless. thank you for your message! you were a great help! and please if you have to write me messages of constructive criticism like this, then don’t forget more to play :D thank you thank you thank you thank you


Ciao bellissimo angelo...
;-)
Non volevo deluderti o spaventarti prima che me lo dicessi, ma... - Mi sono perso anch'io a metà, a causa di questo drastico cambiamento...
In un certo senso mi sono sentito ferito per essere rimasto in pensieri del tipo "ma, che dire di zio Ray...? Cosa accadrà, è tutta una conclusione scontata? Vai l'MC diventando come in tutti gli altri giochi, un altro culo in più di quello che va con tutto ciò che si muove e l'essere infedele a colui che sembrava amare più di ogni altra cosa? - (parlo dello zio ma lo uso solo come esempio, poi lo trovo eccezionalmente perfetto)
Avresti dovuto rallentare e progredire poco a poco se volevi trasformare la storia in qualcosa di così diverso. - Sono rimasto nella sensazione che ti vedessi obbligato a "correre" a tutta velocità verso una progressione a velocità vertiginosa, che non si sposava per niente bene con questo tipo di storia che era così bella.
Fallo al tuo ritmo! - prenditi il tempo per goderti la tua storia!
Non importa quanto tempo ci vorrà, l'importante è che sia un buon lavoro, e soprattutto che venga davvero dal tuo cuore.
Ti amo moltissimo, mio bellissimo e buon giovane amico.
Prendersi cura di voi stessi.
AMORE
JohnEP

Hello beautiful angel...
;-)
I didn't want to disappoint you or scare you before you mentioned it, but... - I got lost halfway too, because of this drastic change...
In some way I felt hurt and I stayed in thoughts like "but, what about Uncle Ray...? What's going to happen, it's all a foregone conclusion? Go the MC becoming like in all the other games, another ass more than goes with everything that moves and being unfaithful to the one he seemed to love more than anything? - (I'm talking about the uncle but I only use him as an example, then I find him exceptionally perfect)
You should have taken it slower and progressed bit by bit if you wanted to twist the story into something so different. - I remained in the feeling that you saw yourself obliged to "rush" at full speed towards a progression at dizzying speed, which did not go well with this kind of story that was so beautiful .
Do it at your own pace! - take the time to enjoy your own story!
We don't care how long it will take, the important thing is that it's good work, and above all that it really comes from your heart.
I love you very much my very beautiful and good young friend.
Take good care of yourself.
LOVES
JohnEP
 
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Litrabi

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Bello vedere un nuovo upgrade, significa che non sei scoraggiato dalle critiche e dalle difficoltà riscontrate. Più tardi lo scarico e ti dirò cosa ne penso... solo un saluto per ora.

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Nice to see a new upgrade, it means that you are not put off by the criticisms and difficulties encountered. Later I download it and I'll tell you what I think... just a greeting for now
 
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Oliz82

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Hello.

To try the new content, I've gone directly to school thinking you would continue there but I was wrong. So I've searched and found you answered the question on itch.io. You should probably leave a message somewhere about what you did (maybe it's on Patreon but it's not public so sorry). The changelog here in the OP has always been forgotten.

So the new content is fantastic as usual.
The wake up scene was cute.
The breakfast was too much. I was laughing so hard that it took me a long time to advance the scene (particularly the "Did you clean the duster well after you used it?", I had to go out of my room to calm down).
After that, the afternoon scene was difficult to deal...
The evening scenes were well done for whatever choice we make (at first, I was a little sad that he had his first time with Sam in the loving choice because of what was planned but in the end how you did that path was awesome so good job).

He used his powers many times in this update but didn't have any backlash like when he saved the tree. Did you forgot to include it or did you thought it wasn't necessary this time?
Also, be careful with the mind reading power. When we had to juggle between the dialogs and thoughts of 3 characters, it was confusing sometimes.

For the sex scenes, I would like to suggest more foreplay outside blowjob and rimming.

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Oops, I always end up rambling on this thread...

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Arufuredo

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Hello.

To try the new content, I've gone directly to school thinking you would continue there but I was wrong. So I've searched and found you answered the question on itch.io. You should probably leave a message somewhere about what you did (maybe it's on Patreon but it's not public so sorry). The changelog here in the OP has always been forgotten.

So the new content is fantastic as usual.
The wake up scene was cute.
The breakfast was too much. I was laughing so hard that it took me a long time to advance the scene (particularly the "Did you clean the duster well after you used it?", I had to go out of my room to calm down).
After that, the afternoon scene was difficult to deal...
The evening scenes were well done for whatever choice we make (at first, I was a little sad that he had his first time with Sam in the loving choice because of what was planned but in the end how you did that path was awesome so good job).

He used his powers many times in this update but didn't have any backlash like when he saved the tree. Did you forgot to include it or did you thought it wasn't necessary this time?
Also, be careful with the mind reading power. When we had to juggle between the dialogs and thoughts of 3 characters, it was confusing sometimes.

For the sex scenes, I would like to suggest more foreplay outside blowjob and rimming.

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Oops, I always end up rambling on this thread...

Good continuation.
Hello.

To try the new content, I've gone directly to school thinking you would continue there but I was wrong. So I've searched and found you answered the question on itch.io. You should probably leave a message somewhere about what you did (maybe it's on Patreon but it's not public so sorry). The changelog here in the OP has always been forgotten.

So the new content is fantastic as usual.
The wake up scene was cute.
The breakfast was too much. I was laughing so hard that it took me a long time to advance the scene (particularly the "Did you clean the duster well after you used it?", I had to go out of my room to calm down).
After that, the afternoon scene was difficult to deal...
The evening scenes were well done for whatever choice we make (at first, I was a little sad that he had his first time with Sam in the loving choice because of what was planned but in the end how you did that path was awesome so good job).

He used his powers many times in this update but didn't have any backlash like when he saved the tree. Did you forgot to include it or did you thought it wasn't necessary this time?
Also, be careful with the mind reading power. When we had to juggle between the dialogs and thoughts of 3 characters, it was confusing sometimes.

For the sex scenes, I would like to suggest more foreplay outside blowjob and rimming.

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Oops, I always end up rambling on this thread...

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Don’t worry, you can ramble all you want... I’m happy to read feedback. I’m glad you liked it, don’t worry there will be a first time even with Ray, what do you mean more foreplay besides the blowjob etc.? You mean touch etc.? unfortunately when I request the update above in the past the Devlogs have always been ignored including updating the Tags. So I’m sorry for the little information, but come on... I have inserted in the game at the beginning the button go directly to the new update... from the next there will also be the update number near the route. some bars will be changed to allow even a Android version set up well. As far as mind reading... I tried to change colors and put a few more reflections of Ethan on how it worked hoping it would be enough, in English I hope it’s not too messy to be misunderstood. and I put the beginning of the name so as not to be confused the whole. Unfortunately the reading of the mind in a visual novel is a bit complicated hahhahah but I hope it was all understandable.
thanks as always for the compliments and thanks for the questions and let me understand the weaknesses of the update
:D thanks
 

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Hello.

Don’t worry, you can ramble all you want... I’m happy to read feedback. I’m glad you liked it, don’t worry there will be a first time even with Ray, what do you mean more foreplay besides the blowjob etc.? You mean touch etc.?
Well, blowjobs and rimming are found in any adult game or porn (gay, bi or het). I didn't mean it in bad way since what you're making is great. I just wanted more diversity (like some whipped cream on the torso or a blindfolded scene in which he is stimulated everywhere or ...). And since you're more into the loving scene, you can also add more cuddling and mouth play. Well, those are just my thoughts. And if you continue like this, it's good too :).

unfortunately when I request the update above in the past the Devlogs have always been ignored including updating the Tags. So I’m sorry for the little information, but come on... I have inserted in the game at the beginning the button go directly to the new update... from the next there will also be the update number near the route. some bars will be changed to allow even a Android version set up well.
Yeah, but we still have the 3 main paths even if they get no content. I understand the need to precise the choices we want before the new update but, if it leads to seing what we've already seen (not that I dont want to watch them again but, to assess the update, I need to focus on the new content), it's not really practical and it loses it purpose.

As far as mind reading... I tried to change colors and put a few more reflections of Ethan on how it worked hoping it would be enough, in English I hope it’s not too messy to be misunderstood. and I put the beginning of the name so as not to be confused the whole. Unfortunately the reading of the mind in a visual novel is a bit complicated hahhahah but I hope it was all understandable.
Yeah, frankly, you've done a great job. In Ray scene, it's more easy since there's no talk (seing his struggles was facilitated by the different colors). But, at the breakfast, there are so many informations in a short time that I had to read several times some dialogs to be sure I understood correctly. Plus, I had to be careful not to click too quickly. And Ethan reacting to everything didn't help. But maybe I'm more sensitive to this since I'm a slow reader (I have to read every word, I can't go through rapidly...).

thanks as always for the compliments and thanks for the questions and let me understand the weaknesses of the update
:D thanks
I wouldn't call that weakness but more a question of taste.

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This game is certainly going crazy. I hardly believe to all the sudden powers of Ethan and the way how he handles them, however I can't deny your genuine effort, Arufuredo, so my love stays with you all the same :)
 
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Hello, why this update doesn't come with the mega link? D:, btw, great game i love it
hello, I don’t manage where to put them, I leave it all to F95zone, since I am alone in this job I said better to leave to them the management so I have one less thing to do :)
Thank you, and I’m glad you appreciate the game.
For the moment I’m taking a break, maybe it will be a bit long, but unfortunately I have to do some work in the house that takes a little time.
 
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