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Rz85

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coolgy
I repeat, and read carefully: Don't speak of things you don't know about.
The "game engine" you mentioned, obviously, you don't know what is it, the Unreal, they upgraded version from version 3 to 5 in February 2021. With zero impact on content, of course.
Last content change/update was at summer 2020, in June (if I'm not wrong with month) Harem and version 0.49, they also almost scrapped gallery (moved into Harem for "experiments") and removed VR.
Since then they lied about gameplay, game campaign, Galatea, horse, VR, Erotas Night club, etc. All of it is just BS and lies.
Now do the simple math.
 

Mhiggey

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Last content change/update was at summer 2020, in June (if I'm not wrong with month) Harem and version 0.49, they also almost scrapped gallery (moved into Harem for "experiments") and removed VR.
No way, 0.49 was at least 2021. It can't have been 2020 surely.
 

Nihil5320

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Don't speak of things you don't know about.
This scam in "development" almost 8 and half years.
And last update was in summer 2020, also almost two and half years ago.
That is why I said at least six years, I did go digging through all those Chinese language forums once out of curiosity and honestly it isn't entirely clear when development started in earnest. Given the progress at the launch of the Patreon it definitely wasn't a brand new project though and there are quotes predating Patreon with Helius saying all the level design is done (lol). Daisy in summer was around 8 years ago so that's probably an absolute upper bound.

As for the updates part I would agree that the last good update was years ago, but saying they've had no updates is disingenuous at best. Helius does enough bad shit and this project is incompetent enough that hyperbole just makes your arguments look silly.

coolgy
I repeat, and read carefully: Don't speak of things you don't know about.
The "game engine" you mentioned, obviously, you don't know what is it, the Unreal, they upgraded version from version 3 to 5 in February 2021. With zero impact on content, of course.
Last content change/update was at summer 2020, in June (if I'm not wrong with month) Harem and version 0.49, they also almost scrapped gallery (moved into Harem for "experiments") and removed VR.
Since then they lied about gameplay, game campaign, Galatea, horse, VR, Erotas Night club, etc. All of it is just BS and lies.
Now do the simple math.
UE5 wasn't even in early access in February 2021 and this project was UE4 from the beginning...
 

Rz85

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That is why I said at least six years, I did go digging through all those Chinese language forums once out of curiosity and honestly it isn't entirely clear when development started in earnest.
1) Why don't you say "at least two years" or even "six months", by the same logic? Obviously, 8.5 years is bigger than 6, 2, or 0,5.
2) You don't have to digging for "development start". FD (then "Prologue") demo came out in fall 2014 with "next year full release" promise and started milking patreons for money. So the development started at least at summer 2014 and continues endlessly for almost 8.5 years now.
3) Ok, my mistake. So it was changing version number within UE4, but it is no matters, because nothing visually or in "game" had changed.
What matters, it was last "update" until now.
 
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Terix3

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What kind of imaginary ""update" only on Discord" do you mean? Bunch of "concept art" pictures, which are changing month by month with graphical regress?
What is "Sadge"?
Updates are not just what is being reported as progress but comments about the game said by Helius/mods on the discord that get reposted here. I'm also here for that, cba to stalk Helius for drops of information.
Tried using google?
 
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Rz85

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Terix3
Try using the vocabulary.
Even in your sentence update and commentary are two different things. And it doesn't matter, if PH calls it an "update", it is not.
Also, if it isn't reposted here, as you said, it's stops being "update" from PH point of view? lol
 

HardcoreCuddler

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Notice how these carrot and stick crowd funded games always end up doing major "reworks"? That's really somethin ain't it.
to be fair, it may not entirely be out of intentional money grabbing.

I've developed my fair share of small projects (and I mean small) and even those, at some points, needed reworks.
In my case, I didn't rework them, and it really showed in the later product, because what could've been simple became complicated.

It may be that they just have devs that are still learning, and in that case, you can't possibly apply the good / best solution, so after a while, all the meh / bad practices that went into the project up until then start to show up and hinder your dev time, performance, quality etc, out of which we've seen a bunch of already, so it may just be the case that Operation Lovecraft is reaching a tipping point of needing a rework to be eligible to be progressed on any further.

In short, either they're not as good devs, or they're moneygrabbing if they decide to rework, but both are very likely imo
 

Rz85

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HardcoreCuddler,

Yeah, even PH own words last month "the game is in pre-alpha state" - so give them another 9 years and tens millions of dollars and, with luck, they may be will make beta.
It is simple PH main goal is to milk as much money as he can, not making the game. This is scam project.
I already told you, look at Klub 17 - what good devs did in just two years and for almost free.
Or True Facials - just one genius man and one year of work.
Support with your money only true devs, not crooks.
 
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Nihil5320

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to be fair, it may not entirely be out of intentional money grabbing.

I've developed my fair share of small projects (and I mean small) and even those, at some points, needed reworks.
In my case, I didn't rework them, and it really showed in the later product, because what could've been simple became complicated.

It may be that they just have devs that are still learning, and in that case, you can't possibly apply the good / best solution, so after a while, all the meh / bad practices that went into the project up until then start to show up and hinder your dev time, performance, quality etc, out of which we've seen a bunch of already, so it may just be the case that Operation Lovecraft is reaching a tipping point of needing a rework to be eligible to be progressed on any further.

In short, either they're not as good devs, or they're moneygrabbing if they decide to rework, but both are very likely imo
I think one thing that is particularly telling in this project is that they decided to reengineer their entire solution when killing Origins, then a scant few years later, with barely any progress made, seem to be back in the same boat.

It wouldn't surprise me if a large part of it is incompetence and poor project planning, but at least some it is surely them trying to shoehorn season passes and microtransactions into a framework they initially wrote for an x-com style single player game. It can't be easy repeatedly changing direction this late into a project and I imagine they've had to scrap large swathes of work (probably why Helius wanted to spin the single player part off into a separate game).

As somebody else highlighted earlier in this thread this studio was also born from a forum that primarily focussed on modding Illusion games. I imagine their skillsets tend more toward 3D modelling and basic scripting than the kind of C++, UE development and project management experience you'd need to run a project like this.
 

Tressk

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Jeesus what's with all the drama here, just look at the girl above, she's darn gorgeous lol!

On an unrelated note. Is there a way ( a keybind or smthing) to skip the.. "progress bar" charging? the one in the Gallery charges up nearly instantly, but the one in the main game takes AGESSSS, it's annoying. Please HALP!!!
 
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