- Apr 12, 2019
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It does.
I wouldn't undermine another creator's vision, not one which writing ability I respect as much as Pizznazz. (In truth, the reason I would consider taking over this specific project is precisely the same reason I won't)
I wouldn't undermine another creator's vision, not one which writing ability I respect as much as Pizznazz. (In truth, the reason I would consider taking over this specific project is precisely the same reason I won't)
It does not, for either practical intents and purposes in general or the criteria this forum uses in particular.
Mere say-so doesn't change that.
...and this is relevant how exactly?
- Apr 12, 2019
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You either get it or you don't. Unless I get a clear and direct quote from pizznazz that this project is completly abandonned or that they're encouraging a take over, I'll consider it holy ground. Not touching it.
and just so that it is said, pizznazz is still active on here even if he hasnt updated this or said anything regarding FI (also its really not fair to just take a "abandoned" game that may or may not be still being worked on, unless told otherwise (or if > a year of nothing on communication from dev or updates) )
...okay?
I do so love it when people start spouting TOO MYSTIC bullshit and expect you to somehow magically read their unsound minds.
I think the discussions just turned that way (one way arguments with no intention of backs and forths).
...okay?
I do so love it when people start spouting TOO MYSTIC bullshit and expect you to somehow magically read their unsound minds.
What we need to keep in mind is that it's the still the creator's project, and as long as he is not saying he dropped it, or as long as he didn't just outright disapear it's not good practice to just take his project, particularly when he saying he is planning on coming back to it.
Now that may or may not happen, plenty of people take long breaks from their project thinking they are coming back to it and never do. But if he says he is, we have to wait and see.
However nothing stops anyone that likes this kind of plot of making their own project inspired from it.
I certainly would be interested in checking it out.
I mean I literally couldn't give fewer shits if the other guy "took over" the project or whatever, my point was always about the de facto developer abandonment of games irrespective of what they might or might not claim. Words are cheap so it's concrete results that matter.
i kinda wish some artists would just make some pictures for the scenes of the game to be honest just wondered how some of them would be "imagined"
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The root of the argument is you saying the word of a creator doesn't mean shit if there are no products coming out. And me believing it does matter.
We as the audience might grow accustomed to the disillusionment of those numerous abandoned projects, all the unreliable statements from dodgy or unstable creators, but creating a new and original IP takes blood. Too many artists sacrifice their sanity and health for this.
Anyone can claim they are doing this, that or the other thing easy as writing this.
The benefit of the doubt extended to it out of common courtesy only lasts so far without concrete evidence of it actually being true, after which such statements become entirely meaningless.
I'd also point out you've yet to explain *why* it should matter. Just because you want to believe it does, doesn't make it so.
And?
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Because I view it as a creator.
I understand you view it from the consumer side. But it's only meaningless if all you ever care about is deciding if you should keep wasting your time following a project or not.
Anyone can claim anything. It's just common courtesy, it's about boundaries. The only creators i know that would be soulless enough to steal a project from someone without their blessing are either egomaniacs or talentless dickheads.
Therefore, it's actually not meaningless, because if a creator hasn't declared a project dead or given its blessing, you got little to no hope of seeing any qualitative take over or spin off. Which is, there again, precisely my point from the start, seemed a bit too obvious to care to articulate.
I wouldn't care about establishing a hard coded ruleset for categorizing the probabilistic nature of a future update. I judge the character of a creator less by their public statements and more by their work ethic and the heat of their passion (because that's the real statement).
I already explicitly stated I could not possibly care less about what you do with this, or don't. That was never the point, why the fuck are you still chasing your tail around it?
Also quote work ethic and the heat of their passion unquote are de facto measured by observable results so, yeah. Neither of those is a constant anyway, people lose motivation all the time for any number of reasons only significant for themselves. The private details fundamentally do not matter to the audience.
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Lmao. How do you even get that from what I just said ?
All of your rhetoric is just like if you told me you cared very much about rain but thought air pressure was meaningless.
You keep blabbering about "stealing the project" or some shit which I don't give a rat's ass about. My *point* was always the criteria on which a project can be deemed to be for all practical intents and purposes factually abandoned by its creator - what you or anyone else might decide to *do* with that information is none of my beeswax and does not interest me in the least.
Your bizarre mystic "creator" ramblings have no relevance whatsoever to this matter.
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Can you two go through your grievances in a private message conversation? I want to get notified of actual developments in the thread, be the game abandoned or not.
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You do have the notion that your argument is simply a more complex version of "if you don't like it, do it yourself!" right?
In my opinion, the opinion of a consumer may be just as (or even more) important than the one from the creator itself.
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I mean, the project hasn't been updated in a year and a half, got tagged as abandoned and the dev has not said a word anywhere else save for discord.
If the stars align then maybe an update will get uploaded but at this point it's safe to say the project is as close to dead as you can get.
Getting rid of the "abandoned" tag isn't exactly difficult (afaik patreon posts would suffice) so the fact that the dev hasn't gotten around doing that says enough imo.
Life happens and priorities shift, so I wouldn't shit on the dev for letting a porn game die. They probably do hope they can get back into the swing of things eventually but that's just that, hope.
I'm not going to tell you to have hope, but Intimate Relationships and Triple Ex two VN's that were abandoned are having updates again, at worse you can pitch the idea to Blackheart Games to put their own dark spin on it like they did on Personal Assistant
The game isn't abandoned - I doubt it ever will be. And while I've now learned not to make any promises or concrete statements, I am still working in the game intermittently. I just haven't been able to make it anything close to a priority for some time. Happy Christmas everyone.