Pixiew

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Didn't notice the wolf thing, you're right and you're probably also right for bottom center 1st page.

yeah I mean if you are on the mom-takes-virginity route and activate your "unlock all" thing in the room, it swaps the card to the other one. It's quite possible that unlocking the mc-takes-virginity scene automatically swaps it. Most significant part about it arguably is it swaps the "found picture", which is quite a different image.
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overall the game is a bit of a mess currently and the dev doesn't really tell you to make new saves for a lot of the content... There's images in the files for GF's mom getting a titfuck from GF in the bathroom and GF sitting on her mom's face that don't seem accessible. On top of that there's all the removed scenes... I really like what scenes there are and what does work but man sometimes this game...
I did see the scene where the girlfriend was sitting on her moms face, that’s one of the optional scenes that you can see after you drop her off at her mom, once they’re done you can check the door again to see one of the optional scenes.

In version 2.2 you could repeatedly do the gf and her mom scene then check the door afterwards to see all the optional scenes. However with updates 2.3 and 2.4 the gf x her mom route seems to end at a place where it doesn’t let you see an optional scene after so I think in the playthrough you only get to see one or two of the optional scenes until you reach the point where they’re not visible anymore. Once her route is expanded you’ll probably be able to see them afterwards again.
 

Oblivion9873

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I did see the scene where the girlfriend was sitting on her moms face, that’s one of the optional scenes that you can see after you drop her off at her mom, once they’re done you can check the door again to see one of the optional scenes.

In version 2.2 you could repeatedly do the gf and her mom scene then check the door afterwards to see all the optional scenes. However with updates 2.3 and 2.4 the gf x her mom route seems to end at a place where it doesn’t let you see an optional scene after so I think in the playthrough you only get to see one or two of the optional scenes until you reach the point where they’re not visible anymore. Once her route is expanded you’ll probably be able to see them afterwards again.
ah that'd explain it, yeah dev really needs to sort out his scene scripting
 

kayot

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Ok, so I've been working on this for a bit. My goal is to only have one file for my mod. Let me first say, the hell man. The script work is terrible. The author is using conditional logic in the Common Events when they should be using separate events. The switches aren't being logically named or used. They can't decide if they're using switches, variables, or items for keeping track of things. They're using incremental variables on what should be switches (bool). There are scripts that were placed on objects, but then were copy pasted into common events. The author is going to have one hell of a time keeping this all in order later on down the road. That said,

I've managed to create a Gallery in the basement. It's not perfect, but it works. The Mom x MC x GF was the hardest to implement due to a confusing conditional branch. The second hardest was Zoe's second event since I kept getting Day Rain and Night Rain confused. Note: Only use Night Rain.

So the Gallery works by slamming variables to get the desired results. In all but the 3 some case, I tried to preserve the starting conditions.

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I tried to put the NPCs in the positions and places for each of the scenes. Not my best work, but I was trying to be compact.

I also added a time forward to the Red Panda. Due to how the 'sleep' script works, going from Afternoon to Evening (Night) requires that adding Ellis or teleporting to her house has to be done after the script runs. This is in part because the MC loses access to the basement at nighttime and the script dismisses Ellis during the time transfer. It's a bit awkward, but it works. It's also possible to have Ellis in your party and at her house at the same time. It doesn't cause any issues.

The 'healing' scene is a bit wonky due to the script killing the trigger at the end of it's execution. The solution to replay the event again is to leave and reenter the basement.

Anyway, I barely did any testing. Have fun testing it. Also, ignore the star in Zoe's room. It's blank and I left it there in case I need to add more scenes. Just put the Map029.json into www/data to install it. This script doesn't affect anything besides the basement and the 3 some variables. (probably)

Edit: A small update. I confused the Wolf Den and the Hellhound events. Now they work correctly.
 
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Febui

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NTR HEAVY!
So, I imagine if I reject sharing my girlfriend at first, she'll eventually cheat instead. She does seem a bit let down when I denied it, so that's promising
Then I play for a while. Some more. A little more.
No more main quest to do. "Tipps" displays nothing.
So, I guess there's no content if you say no right now. Not a big deal, still in development. Realized in my second playthrough that if you don't consent to your mom fucking Ellis, all cucking/swinging in the game is disabled too, can't just get Ellis's mom or anyone else in town. Not sure if there's stuff with your sister down the road. Could use slightly better signposting about that.

But what's actually bad is that every scene is about how STINKY and GROSS every futa is and how that's HOT.
God that's awful. That's so disgusting. I can't do it. Why are they all sweaty and smelly? They say Elli smells good. I suppose Yuri smells fine too.
Futas are just rank degenerates that don't have good hygiene. Please add a toggle to disable raunch fetish in the future.
The sweat also looks bad on the character models.
I'll check the game out again in the future, though, when the showers are fixed

On a separate note, my god things are big. You're RICH. You live in a MANSION. INCREDIBLE yard. RIDICULOUS. Plus a nice sizable garden. Your girlfriend too. Really successful adventurers, those moms.
But I think a lot of stuff should be pressed together more. It's a lot of empty space that really only serves to make things take longer. Either fill that space or shrink it. Huuuge empty main road, big empty hallways in the school, insane courtyard behind it.
Sey sure is mysterious. Reasonably sized dwelling, but massive underground complex. It's relatively minor, but all the extra travel time adds up. I don't expect any changes on that
The main road being one tile thinner would fix that one. The school is, I suppose, just the economic and political center of the entire region, so that's why it's the biggest, wealthiest building, with the largest road space, a dock, enormous courtyard, etc. The guild is insignificant. The militia is insignificant. The school is everything, because education is crucial, children are the future.
It's fun to over-emphasize though, silly to talk about the school like it's a more powerful institution than the royal court.
 

fisty123

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NTR HEAVY!
So, I imagine if I reject sharing my girlfriend at first, she'll eventually cheat instead. She does seem a bit let down when I denied it, so that's promising
This is the current plan by the dev, but it will be worked on last going on the most recent comments in discord.
 

kayot

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I actually turned this game into a VN back in 0.1.9 and it worked out pretty good. Combat was weird since it was my first time using RenPy (and RenPy wasn't built for combat) and Visual Novel Maker; while a solid VN tool, made adding a global replay Gallery difficult (and combat again was difficult). Point is, a menu driven system worked out super well for the game. I'd definitely want to redo my VN version from scratch since I made a bunch of noob mistakes and I think I could do the combat way better now, but the fact that it played well is something I won't forget. The town is too big and objects/npcs do get in the way a lot.

That said, I think a lot of the open space will slowly fill out over time. I'm not sure if the maps will be used, but there are other maps in the game. Remember that this game is pretty early in the development and is moving super slow. Also the Patreon is 5$/m which is a bit much for the slow dev speed. If the author was hammering out content (and properly coding) then it could be worth it, but they aren't and it isn't.

The NTR content isn't really in the game yet. I don't care for NTR so that works for me. Right now the game starts off with heavy netorarse content (borders on NTR when he's kicked from the room), but the share route is being implemented first. NTR is one of those weird things for me. If I was in a situation like that, I'd just break up with her. If living together I'd get evidence and break up. If married, I'd get evidence and argue down alimony due to breach of marital contract. I've never understood it in media since it's pretty clean cut. Betrayal is unforgivable and trust will never be restored. That relationship is done.

Futas break this rule though. It's not coming in to a guy on your girl. It's coming in on a girl on your girl who on seeing you exclaims, "Player 3 has entered the chat!" which complicates things. Add that futas can get pregnant and female x futas are typically only futa so child to father identification is easy and now laws are easy to write. Given how chill the futas in this game are, I'd expect a lenient court system that prioritizes bi-gendered rights due to low population and genetic diversity. They like females and they can only get that if males exist. They MIGHT also like males too, which require males.

The whole futas stink thing is part of the genre. It's not stink but pheromones that fuck with non-futas (and sometimes futas too). It's what's causing Elli to go off the rails. It's why Yuri (a male) has trouble saying no to Zoe. It's super addictive and in large doses can destroy the minds of normal people. That's why Elli's reactions to MC's mom aren't so much cheating but more like a drug addiction. Yuri is starting to show signs of the addition too. Only time will tell how the author will handle this though if the Zoe/Hellhound scenes are anything to go by, it's the addiction route. I still think the Hellhound route should be based on addiction or a choice instead of route. In fact an addiction level would make for an interesting element to gameplay. Some options would just have one option of 'Do it' due to addiction rating. (makes notes for making my own game at some point)

The high futa population is an apocalyptic but obvious outcome of this. The bi-gendered human race will go extinct in such a scenario. It's possible that Yuri and Elli are endangered species in this world. Unlike with normal NTR, futas target every one. The lack of Yuri on futa content is probably just due to the early development. The fact the Yuri and Elli exists in the first place hints that their 'fathers' were male humans since futas typically only have futas. I'd assume that male x futa would be a 50/50% m/f, or maybe 33/33/33% m/f/futa, where as a female would probably be 100% futa since only males carry the male gene. This assumes that futas only output futa or possibly futa/female genes (sperm).

Point is, the futa genre is complex with lots of nuances. Time will tell with how well this author handles it.
 
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cgasper

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This is the current plan by the dev, but it will be worked on last going on the most recent comments in discord.
So currently if the sharing path is rejected there is only content with MC and I assume defeated scenes no netorare as in GF cheating against the players choice etc. all of that coming later on?
The description on the 1st page kind of makes it seem as if it were in there so I'm unsure.
 

fisty123

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So currently if the sharing path is rejected there is only content with MC and I assume defeated scenes no netorare as in GF cheating against the players choice etc. all of that coming later on?
The description on the 1st page kind of makes it seem as if it were in there so I'm unsure.
There is only one scene that is different for now and that is who
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The description on the 1st page was written before the dev reworked the game and focused on other things first.
 

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anyone know what the significance (if any) is when picking it's just like porn, or doing it for my mom. cuz the internal monologue of the mc he says he feels this is a very important decision, but he almost says the same thing regardless of the pick
 

Lightrunner

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The whole futas stink thing is part of the genre. It's not stink but pheromones that fuck with non-futas (and sometimes futas too). It's what's causing Elli to go off the rails. It's why Yuri (a male) has trouble saying no to Zoe. It's super addictive and in large doses can destroy the minds of normal people. That's why Elli's reactions to MC's mom aren't so much cheating but more like a drug addiction. Yuri is starting to show signs of the addition too. Only time will tell how the author will handle this though if the Zoe/Hellhound scenes are anything to go by, it's the addiction route. I still think the Hellhound route should be based on addiction or a choice instead of route. In fact an addiction level would make for an interesting element to gameplay. Some options would just have one option of 'Do it' due to addiction rating. (makes notes for making my own game at some point)


Point is, the futa genre is complex with lots of nuances. Time will tell with how well this author handles it.
The whole futa addiction has become a i wouldn't say common, but not as rare as you'd think in games featuring futa. and it's dependent on the dev whether they want that to be the case or not, but I do like that aspect, cuz it makes futa very dangerous in a sense and make them perfect for ntr etc. even in fem protag games futa corruption is generally an interesting prospect for porn games. like with Caliross just a few sessions with a futa and you're too far gone. even the game i'm dabbling in making features dialogue about war breaking out because of the danger futa posed (it lead to futas losing and their libido being sealed/controlled, also there it's nothing to do with smell, but more addictive cocks in the sense of taste) but i won't get into that. the point i'm trying to make is I like the added danger of their pheromones and their addictive properties and looking forward to how the dev is going to get this done ( so far i've only dealt with the slimes as i'm typing this, but to me it also seems like the monsters are also futa at least in the case of slimes.)
 
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If you are on the sharing path does the MC ever have sex with his girlfriend again or are you just stuck watching? Haven't played too much yet but not a fan of how the girlfriend doesn't seem to want to spend any time with the MC when the sharing starts.
 

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If you are on the sharing path does the MC ever have sex with his girlfriend again or are you just stuck watching? Haven't played too much yet but not a fan of how the girlfriend doesn't seem to want to spend any time with the MC when the sharing starts.
as of 2.4 there is a sharing scene where the mc has sex with the gf. 2 variants, one where mc is fucking gf while mom is getting a bj, and one where the mom fucks the gf while mc watches after ejaculating from a handjob.
 

kayot

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anyone know what the significance (if any) is when picking it's just like porn, or doing it for my mom. cuz the internal monologue of the mc he says he feels this is a very important decision, but he almost says the same thing regardless of the pick
Right now there's technically only one path. It's the sharing path. There is dialog for the Netori path, but it's sparce and text only. That's what you're choosing at that point.

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The futa thing is even more insidious than just addiction when you think about it. If it ONLY works on girls then it's possible to come back, but if it works on all humans, it's basically an extinction level event. It also depends on how benevolent the futas are. If they are straight up NTR addicts, then it's game over for the binary human race.

Then there's genetics and what happens in breeding.

Do futa genes trump all genes? If so, how does the ovum work in a futa. Is the gender data simply snipped away during conception? Or does the futa ovum allow for all genders the same way a female ovum might? If so, then females are pointless in the setting beyond their futa use.

Male spermatozoa contains the final gender markers. If a futas sperm works like that, then does that mean a futa can have male, female, or futa children? Does it mean that futas only have futas like donkeys can only have donkeys? If futas can have all three, then males are basically pointless in the setting unless futas like males too. If they can only have futas then males are the only way females can be born.

The best head cannon solutions I've come up with is to make binary humans special somehow. But then there's the, 'do futas only want girls' question. Why keep males if they only want females. Making just males special to keep them from going extinct can have story telling advantages, consequences, and chilling results. After all if males are only needed for creating more males and females, it could end up like a chic farm in which most males are simply culled due to not measuring a standard. If males are special, then what about females. Are females only destined to be used by futas? The only way to keep males special without making females not special is to make males super rare. Which leads to commodity (slave) trading. Even fully benevolent futas would become super protective to the point of incarceration.

The best solution would probably to make futas like both males and females. Then they'd have a vested interest in making sure both are around. Then it's just a matter of time before both are extinct if no one bothers making efforts to keep that from happening.

Thankfully, no one has ever bothered writing a realistic futa story. I've made several false starts and I slam into the biology/ethics wall every time. It's easier if gods are involved since most gods are jerks to begin with. Plus 'magic' is a common way to keep world ending consequences from being a possibility.

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For a full scene release, I made a gallery viewing room a few posts back. The MC does currently have 3 penetration scenes. The first is if you decided to take Elli's virginity. The second is the Hell Hounds Den. The third is the second phase of the 3 some even. That's all. It's possible to skip all three.

Edit: Wow, I was super confusing. Fixed it!
 
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