- May 9, 2018
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An overwhelming majority of Patreons are against the idea of bringing back Eric and it's not hard to understand. His entrance in BB was practically the defining moment of that game. I personally hated how quickly he had every one under his thrall and the game overs I suffered as a new player left a bitter taste in my mouth. Especially frustrating was how every time it seemed like Max was able to get an upper hand over him, a brief conversation with a brainwashed Ann would reset everything back to the way it was or worse.
That being said, it was supremely satisfying to be finally rid of him, or at least keep him under control so that his influence doesn't completely ruin my experience. Teaming up with Alice to render Eric impotent and being able to see immediate results was particularly enjoyable.
If Eric were to be reimplemented, he would have to be slowly eased into the game. I feel what was lacking in the previous game was a sense of progress in the power dynamics between Eric and Max. For instance, showing Ann the photo of Eric peeping on Alice should decrease the amount of influence he has over her each week, while say getting caught peeping on Alice will have the opposite effect. Having bonus scenes and branching side quests that only occur when peeping on the girls, or catching Eric in the act would give players a risk vs reward incentive, while at the same time their actions could make the game progressively easier or harder over time.
Glamour doesn't necessarily need Eric reintroduced to pose a challenge to Max. I think a combination of Karen and Kate could fulfill the same role. Karen's influence is already felt early on with the implementation of punishments, while Kate has shown she can be quite manipulative when it suits her purposes. She's already very close with Alice and despite some obvious competition between her and Lisa, I can see Kate slowly pulling Lisa away from Max if he's not too careful.
As for Karen, she would become much more relevant to the story if Max starts attending the University. I can see her pitting Max against Kate and subverting the principal's agenda over time. Max would enjoy obvious benefits with this deal with the devil, much like Kate does with the principal, but with increased risks should he fail. After all, Alice attends the same school AND she's in bed with Kate. I would love to see how Karen exploits those facts to get Max in line, while Max schemes his way to decrease her influence.
Either way, Max needs some adversity in his life if his gameplay is to improve. As it is, there is no sense of agency in his playthrough other than how to get into the pants of every woman he meets. While that may be the ultimate goal, it is a very unsatisfying one if there are no obstacles to overcome.
That being said, it was supremely satisfying to be finally rid of him, or at least keep him under control so that his influence doesn't completely ruin my experience. Teaming up with Alice to render Eric impotent and being able to see immediate results was particularly enjoyable.
If Eric were to be reimplemented, he would have to be slowly eased into the game. I feel what was lacking in the previous game was a sense of progress in the power dynamics between Eric and Max. For instance, showing Ann the photo of Eric peeping on Alice should decrease the amount of influence he has over her each week, while say getting caught peeping on Alice will have the opposite effect. Having bonus scenes and branching side quests that only occur when peeping on the girls, or catching Eric in the act would give players a risk vs reward incentive, while at the same time their actions could make the game progressively easier or harder over time.
Glamour doesn't necessarily need Eric reintroduced to pose a challenge to Max. I think a combination of Karen and Kate could fulfill the same role. Karen's influence is already felt early on with the implementation of punishments, while Kate has shown she can be quite manipulative when it suits her purposes. She's already very close with Alice and despite some obvious competition between her and Lisa, I can see Kate slowly pulling Lisa away from Max if he's not too careful.
As for Karen, she would become much more relevant to the story if Max starts attending the University. I can see her pitting Max against Kate and subverting the principal's agenda over time. Max would enjoy obvious benefits with this deal with the devil, much like Kate does with the principal, but with increased risks should he fail. After all, Alice attends the same school AND she's in bed with Kate. I would love to see how Karen exploits those facts to get Max in line, while Max schemes his way to decrease her influence.
Either way, Max needs some adversity in his life if his gameplay is to improve. As it is, there is no sense of agency in his playthrough other than how to get into the pants of every woman he meets. While that may be the ultimate goal, it is a very unsatisfying one if there are no obstacles to overcome.
- Aug 17, 2017
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You know, I liked the concept of Eric. It made for a good core gameplay idea and NTR works well as a failstate (especially for me, since I can't stand it). But the problem was with the implementation. BB was too grindy, and not properly balanced for you to be able to keep Eric at bay while working on all the plotlines -- not to mention that forcing you to watch that Ann blowjob to make money was a stupid fucking idea (and of course, his unavoidable fucking of Kira in 0.13(?) pretty much set the community on fire). Eric was good comedy value, and a compelling antagonist -- I'm sure we all wanted to beat the shit out of him almost instantly. His inclusion was part of what made BB so interesting to me back in the day.
If there's gonna be no Eric in this game, then I hope there's at least some sort of overarching struggle for the Max plotline. Otherwise it might as well be a fucking ICSTOR game.
See you space cuckboy...
If there's gonna be no Eric in this game, then I hope there's at least some sort of overarching struggle for the Max plotline. Otherwise it might as well be a fucking ICSTOR game.
See you space cuckboy...
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Max already has an antagonist, the interface.
Why would you slow the game even more with Eric ? It's not like he is interresting, he is bad written like everything on this game, and I don't talk about how absurd you're getting rid of him.
His only interrest is if you're into NTR, but that's all.
And I'm not talking about how bad it was to have a game over in this game. It was even the worst part of it.
If the writting were good, sure, why not. But here he will just fill the updates for nothing.
Why would you slow the game even more with Eric ? It's not like he is interresting, he is bad written like everything on this game, and I don't talk about how absurd you're getting rid of him.
His only interrest is if you're into NTR, but that's all.
And I'm not talking about how bad it was to have a game over in this game. It was even the worst part of it.
If the writting were good, sure, why not. But here he will just fill the updates for nothing.
I would like to see a continuation of the Kate/Karen dynamic carry over into the Ann/Max side. Karen could easily take some of the role of Eric dominating Ann. As Ann's mentor she could hold Ann "accountable" with punishments that would increase over time and become more public. She could influence Ann to increase punishments of Alice, Lisa, Max and their guests. Alice and /or Kate could have a power struggle with Karen, Ann and Max over control of the house. Kira's role could also include direction from Karen or an outside x factor that could provide some randomness in the story line. This would provide conflict/tension for Max, increase the continuity between the two plot lines with Alice and Karen and provide more possibilities for Ann that do not need to include Max.
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I do believe that Max needs a protagonist, but just not Eric. Mainly because he was sooooo boring, plus the other Kate and her dominatrix mother are no longer there. I think it should be the son of the boss. A twenty something spoiled brat who has had everything handed to him. At first, him and Max butt heads and Max tries everything to get rid of him. but the guy finds out about the cameras and confronts Max. offers him a solution (aka blackmail) or a truce. become partners or he shows Ann the hidden cameras. If Max starts college and has problems with Karen and the principal, the boss's son helps Max gaining his trust, then both share Kate, Ann and Kira.
- Apr 23, 2018
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I've given up and have decided to ask for help. I scanned this thread but can never find the solution to where I am stuck. I can't progress in the Next Level side quest. I'm sure it's probably a timing issue or something small but I just can't find out where I am going wrong.
- Apr 23, 2018
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I've done all of this unfortunately. I've progressed through every punishment I could and took a look at the walkthrough. It seems my next step would be to invite Alive over? But I truly have no clue anymore.
You need to do a few more punishments for homework quests. Your at step 9 of it. As for Alice visiting, you need Alice step 13 and trigger a talk with her at college.
- Apr 23, 2018
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I unfortunately do not know how to do that. I've gotten in trouble in every way I could but when I skip it Julia never has the option and doing it at school never results in anything.
EDIT: I got passed it. I don't know exactly what I did but I suspect that I kept on mismatching the days where I was supposed to be punished and the days I talked to Julia. But I honestly thought I was doing it every day.
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- Jul 17, 2020
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Keep getting punished at home ,it changes over time.
If I remember correctly ,Alice will turn up while you are being punished and help with the filming.
I see that ppl still hate eric . so I wanna give some thoughts and ideas if anyone care
eric idea is a gem . a diamond. but unfortunately its was used a nut cracker. he should be the one that start to corrupt the family . ann as a control freak want to control everyone and make her kids behave. after eric comes in he sweet talk her about punshmint and she trust him more . alice want independent in her life .but because of her mom she can't find a job and she can only use her blog to make a makeup tutorial. but she can't make enough money. eric give her the idea to make langrie blog convince Ann about it and as a return of giving her free langrie he can see her try them on .
Lisa wanna have fun a and have a boyfriend but Ann doesn't allow that . eric promised her that if she says yes she will have her boyfriend and he convince Ann about sex education lesson . aka everything is a deal between the girls and eric .
Max see the change of behaviour of the girls and start to do his on research and peeping . he dicover eric is harassing the girls and the girls allow it but not happy about it . he confront eric with multiple option . main 2 would be swinging path . where eric makes a deal with max the he could sleep with the girls (including his mom ) and same with eric . or war path . where max wanna seve the girls but ended up getting corrupted and sleep with the girls .
there are multiple roots u could create using choices. and u could even bring up max dead father and his brother (max uncle) in the story for why free house and free school and why eric picked Ann as a target to hustle.
eric idea is a gem . a diamond. but unfortunately its was used a nut cracker. he should be the one that start to corrupt the family . ann as a control freak want to control everyone and make her kids behave. after eric comes in he sweet talk her about punshmint and she trust him more . alice want independent in her life .but because of her mom she can't find a job and she can only use her blog to make a makeup tutorial. but she can't make enough money. eric give her the idea to make langrie blog convince Ann about it and as a return of giving her free langrie he can see her try them on .
Lisa wanna have fun a and have a boyfriend but Ann doesn't allow that . eric promised her that if she says yes she will have her boyfriend and he convince Ann about sex education lesson . aka everything is a deal between the girls and eric .
Max see the change of behaviour of the girls and start to do his on research and peeping . he dicover eric is harassing the girls and the girls allow it but not happy about it . he confront eric with multiple option . main 2 would be swinging path . where eric makes a deal with max the he could sleep with the girls (including his mom ) and same with eric . or war path . where max wanna seve the girls but ended up getting corrupted and sleep with the girls .
there are multiple roots u could create using choices. and u could even bring up max dead father and his brother (max uncle) in the story for why free house and free school and why eric picked Ann as a target to hustle.
- Mar 21, 2020
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too bad that ppl arent ready to take Eric challenge even though DS said it will b an optional . I really enjoyed all paths in the previous version even though there is a lot of grinding. Personally i really njoyed the sharing route and when things were abt to get spicy DS totally scrapped the game and started this game. Even though this game is good even without eric challenge it would have been great if DS included Eric back. When i saw DS post to give i was really excited,too bad that patreon most members arent open to this idea again.
in Max story missing challenge with was important in BB story, family go down with money and start e.g filming adults film, Katie has many troubles...
- Jun 16, 2017
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pfft "challenge".
My main issue with the whole Eric thing is how poorly written it was.
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Same here.
Eric made BB feel more like an actual game than your typical VN. Because you could actually lose the game thanks to Eric, the grind sort of made sense. You had to grind various events to keep Eric's influence low, so there was a certain logic to it. The stakes were always high, and getting to the sexy scenes felt like an actual achievement.
I actually liked that there was an obstacle to Max turning into the typical alpha-male/Mary-Sue type protagonist that you find in pretty much every other game. Eric made the game challenging and quite frankly, if there wasn't any scope for NTR, Eric would've been a pretty lackluster, unmemorable antagonist.
That we all hate Eric with such a passion, is a sign that DS did something right with the character. He is quite iconic whether you like it or not. In most games, at worst you would have NPCs that you dislike or find annoying. But to have an antagonist that you despise so viscerally that you want tear his limbs off, was something unique to BB. The prime example is someone like Oscar from Kate's playthrough. I doubt there's anyone here that actually likes Oscar, but no one cares enough to write seething rants about him the way they would about Eric.
Even after Eric gets kicked out, there were some outstanding scenes, especially the movies, but the grind started to get pretty boring. The story became a linear sequence of events that you had to grind a bit to get to. Don't get me wrong, they were fun events, but there was no longer any challenge in getting to them, which is fine, but IMHO they could've been potentially even more satisfying.
Disclaimer: To all the Eric haters, please don't gang up on me
. I hate him as much as you do. Just saying that an enemy you hate so damned much is a sign of a well written enemy, not a badly written one.
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let's say that for max's story, once he fucked everyone in the house, had 3somes and filmed porn and whatnot, adding eric would be the solution to not make it boring (like some other long lasting games are now *cough* DMD *cough*) and creat more content opportunities.
For now I think DS created this poll knowing extremely well how people would respond and kill that topic before it gets too big.
Or maybe he's testing waters to maybe suggest it again in another year ?
A year from now (a good few max updates) introducing Eric, with the same optionnal system ofc, might be something with more enthusiasts.
Now, let's imagine that for a second :
you're already the man of the house (pun intended), your mom, sisters and aunt are basically subbing to you. Ann knows you're fucking Kira, Lisa's sex ed is far beyond done, Alice doesn't need any help for her blog, and Ann doesn't really need to work that much since you're taking care of everything with the website. - website everyone knows about or almost -.
What leverage does Eric has ? Either none and he only is after ann and the task is a little bit easieer or DS finds new leverage points against max to get the women and it leads to new interesting unseen challenges and situations WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT.
Any cases, if Eric comes in too late - because people voted him in pretty late in - he can only get after ann - romantically - if he's an enemy or be Max's pet from the start because he has no power and that's pretty pointless.
My guess is either its going to be not as entertaining/frustrating depending on your feelings on this in glamour as it was in BB, unless DS invents new blackmail situations such as "i bought your house and evicted you" "i reported you to authorities and your website and money are gone" or whatnot
And last but not least, if you want to add him, it might be interesting to add him for kate too. Let's not do things half way here
For now I think DS created this poll knowing extremely well how people would respond and kill that topic before it gets too big.
Or maybe he's testing waters to maybe suggest it again in another year ?
A year from now (a good few max updates) introducing Eric, with the same optionnal system ofc, might be something with more enthusiasts.
Now, let's imagine that for a second :
you're already the man of the house (pun intended), your mom, sisters and aunt are basically subbing to you. Ann knows you're fucking Kira, Lisa's sex ed is far beyond done, Alice doesn't need any help for her blog, and Ann doesn't really need to work that much since you're taking care of everything with the website. - website everyone knows about or almost -.
What leverage does Eric has ? Either none and he only is after ann and the task is a little bit easieer or DS finds new leverage points against max to get the women and it leads to new interesting unseen challenges and situations WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT.
Any cases, if Eric comes in too late - because people voted him in pretty late in - he can only get after ann - romantically - if he's an enemy or be Max's pet from the start because he has no power and that's pretty pointless.
My guess is either its going to be not as entertaining/frustrating depending on your feelings on this in glamour as it was in BB, unless DS invents new blackmail situations such as "i bought your house and evicted you" "i reported you to authorities and your website and money are gone" or whatnot
And last but not least, if you want to add him, it might be interesting to add him for kate too. Let's not do things half way here
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- Jun 18, 2017
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Hi, it's my last quest but i don't how to progres with ? plz
with Ann i have the 2 option to be punish (boobs and hand)
with Ann i have the 2 option to be punish (boobs and hand)
