Don't worry about it. Patreon page no longer exists. And I will keep the game to myself.
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There is a way to get around that issue. Some artists will put in "Place Holder" or something like that on the drawing to indicate that it is there until it can be replaced. However, I proposed just making a text story and then progressing from that to what you actually want. Some people don't think that way and it is okay if they have the resources like Sexnote's team, but some people don't and instead of jumping into the deep end, it might be nice to take your time and try things out at the shallow end. By that I mean a text game and then progress into one with pictures and animation as such becomes available. Flush out the story, make people love flapping their meat to it.
I will continue to develop it. Just not making it public till I get my own art! Patreon page is already unpublished. No pledges being made to support the development of the game. If I keep publishing the game here, is still "art stealing" like many here claiming?
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You're not longer selling anything, and I've already explained the line you crossed but you're too busy being pissed off instead of listening. There is honor among thieves, you stole from other game devs, in particular from Milftoon-Drama.
You don't do that.
No pledges are being made to support the development of the game. If I keep publishing the game here, is still "art stealing" like many here claiming? Or will be considered a tribute?
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Why you gotta be hating on the Shadow People like that? All they wanna do is keep to themselves and hide under eves and beds...
I don't see anything mentioning using copyrighted assets in any capcity, but if it were explicitly against the rules, every single real-porn game would be removed immediately. (And I'd love to see that happen, personally.)
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yawp you're right and the comic is called lemonade.The girl with blue eyes and brown hair is from "Sydney" from Melkormancin, the one in the pool is from a Milftoon comic and that Chi Chi I think it is from Milftoon too, not sure.
Umh...the dev even have a patreon already set up.... that doesnt look good...
hmm seem interesting enough, but I will wait for more updates. btw do you do waifu request? like add bulma, android 18, cheelai, and maybe launch (blue hair one). then mabye do milftoons women's': Madeline Fenton, dexter mom, tommy's mom from robotboy, and marge simpson. if you dont, it's all good cuz Im still gonna download the game after it has more updates
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keep in mind that without "such pirates" .. many many games here wouldnt exist at all.
peoples here are perfectly fine and well informed about how things work. And many are actual patrons.
dont put everybody in the same bag
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I'm surprised nobody got sued by Michael Richards for his image being used in the Kramer Hentai Adventure series. Lol
I'M KOSMO KRAMER, THE ASSMAN!!
Thanks for the support, but for now I will keep the new releases on hold, and keep them to myself. I don't want to offend nor steal anyone's work, so I will try to create my own artwork and them publish them and see the feedback.
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I'm glad to see that this dev took steps to then make his own artwork, either through means of commissions or practice at his own handiwork, be the featured attraction of the game... but I found a good amount of flaws to his previous logic before he decided to shut it down. Which was also really at the behest of a number of commenters here. Had a good chuckle at it.
Comparing Camp Pinewood to this isn't quite the same, as it's not as if Vaultman rips out art assets out of screenshots from the show's characters and puts them into his terribly broken, engrish laden game. He creates his OWN art assets of these notable characters to portray in his terribly broken, engrish laden game. I've always understood the method of blurring & filtering photos of houses, malls, parks etc., as good backgrounds that don't look too basic and isometric are pretty difficult. But I don't even see the point of putting the filters over the characters, there really was no getting away without people spotting their point of origin. C'mon, we're all reasonable perverts here.
To me, I have no current qualms, considering I came in after the decision to put on hold the Patreon until original art assets were to come in, and I won't talk about thinking I know somebody's intentions behind a project's interest in making money off of others work at all, of course not, I wouldn't do that...
but still. C'mon.
Comparing Camp Pinewood to this isn't quite the same, as it's not as if Vaultman rips out art assets out of screenshots from the show's characters and puts them into his terribly broken, engrish laden game. He creates his OWN art assets of these notable characters to portray in his terribly broken, engrish laden game. I've always understood the method of blurring & filtering photos of houses, malls, parks etc., as good backgrounds that don't look too basic and isometric are pretty difficult. But I don't even see the point of putting the filters over the characters, there really was no getting away without people spotting their point of origin. C'mon, we're all reasonable perverts here.
To me, I have no current qualms, considering I came in after the decision to put on hold the Patreon until original art assets were to come in, and I won't talk about thinking I know somebody's intentions behind a project's interest in making money off of others work at all, of course not, I wouldn't do that...
but still. C'mon.
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What about the people who worked so hard to draw and create the actual characters such as chi chi from dragon ball. Do you think it's moral to redraw and steal their character for a porn game that you make money off of? Sure you put in the work to draw them yourself but you are still benefiting from that characters popularity and already created backstory and character development.
As mentioned before about the many games that use random real porn images in their games. Is it moral to take those images that pornstars made for companies/websites that paid them for it to put on their websites? Is that fair to the website owner or pornstar?
What about all these games that we all pirate after developers put so much work into creating a game? Do you bat an eyelash at that? The hypocrisy is so disgusting. It's like a crackhead looking down on a meth head for doing drugs. People are so disingenuous. How can you hold the position of stealing this, this and this is ok but this is off limits.
What if he presented his game without any images and just put a text based game on his patreon then offered the stolen artwork free separately on this site? He wouldn't be making any money off the images just the game and the images would just be like a mod pack "anonymously uploaded" like these incest patches from these patreon games. Would anyone have a problem with that? If the answer is yes then your issue really isn't him making money off stolen artwork (made from stolen characters btw). So let's get to the real issues you have and stop using excuses and morality to justify it. Possible reasons.
1. Quality - People think using other peoples artwork is bad quality because of how inconsistent the art is. I would agree with this statement I don't like inconsistent art either but some people do and this game would be for them.
2. Spam - If these start to become successful other game devs will see and start making more of these because how long it takes to create original art. They would be able to keep pumping out these kind of games and we could stop seeing good quality games.
3. Jealousy - Game devs who are making their own original art don't like seeing people make a profit the easy way because they didn't do it the easy way so why should they get to.
These are just a few reasons I could probably think of more if I really tried but you all would probably know your real reasons best. So if you are a pirate please just cut the morality crap and state your real issue any of the things I listed would be valid reasons but a person who steals getting mad at a person stealing from someone who stole from someone else is not one of them. If you aren't a person who pirates good on you it's a good thing to stick to your morals and values as long as you're consistent. This post doesn't apply to you but do realize this site is full of mostly pirates though they do like to take the moral high ground at times.
Lastly I seen parody law mentioned I don't know how many games would fall under that. I've seen companies go after many games that use their characters. But let's say that it is morally ok to use companies characters because the law says it's ok. Is your defense really what's moral and not moral is based on law? Sure in some cases maybe. But do remember it was once illegal to be gay. Was that immoral back then but only moral now because the law says? I don't think so.
As mentioned before about the many games that use random real porn images in their games. Is it moral to take those images that pornstars made for companies/websites that paid them for it to put on their websites? Is that fair to the website owner or pornstar?
What about all these games that we all pirate after developers put so much work into creating a game? Do you bat an eyelash at that? The hypocrisy is so disgusting. It's like a crackhead looking down on a meth head for doing drugs. People are so disingenuous. How can you hold the position of stealing this, this and this is ok but this is off limits.
What if he presented his game without any images and just put a text based game on his patreon then offered the stolen artwork free separately on this site? He wouldn't be making any money off the images just the game and the images would just be like a mod pack "anonymously uploaded" like these incest patches from these patreon games. Would anyone have a problem with that? If the answer is yes then your issue really isn't him making money off stolen artwork (made from stolen characters btw). So let's get to the real issues you have and stop using excuses and morality to justify it. Possible reasons.
1. Quality - People think using other peoples artwork is bad quality because of how inconsistent the art is. I would agree with this statement I don't like inconsistent art either but some people do and this game would be for them.
2. Spam - If these start to become successful other game devs will see and start making more of these because how long it takes to create original art. They would be able to keep pumping out these kind of games and we could stop seeing good quality games.
3. Jealousy - Game devs who are making their own original art don't like seeing people make a profit the easy way because they didn't do it the easy way so why should they get to.
These are just a few reasons I could probably think of more if I really tried but you all would probably know your real reasons best. So if you are a pirate please just cut the morality crap and state your real issue any of the things I listed would be valid reasons but a person who steals getting mad at a person stealing from someone who stole from someone else is not one of them. If you aren't a person who pirates good on you it's a good thing to stick to your morals and values as long as you're consistent. This post doesn't apply to you but do realize this site is full of mostly pirates though they do like to take the moral high ground at times.
Lastly I seen parody law mentioned I don't know how many games would fall under that. I've seen companies go after many games that use their characters. But let's say that it is morally ok to use companies characters because the law says it's ok. Is your defense really what's moral and not moral is based on law? Sure in some cases maybe. But do remember it was once illegal to be gay. Was that immoral back then but only moral now because the law says? I don't think so.
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Maybe instead of offering early access you could have offered voting in a poll to include new characters. That way you don't charge for playing the game but if someone wanted to influence your creative output (coding and writing does require creativity) or simply support your project of compiling cool characters you've liked without expecting anything in return (beyond expecting that you keep developing the game I guess). That said an online tip jar might have been better than a patreon account, although probably less profitable.
Honestly if you can compile artwork from other places in a consistent way and apply it to an engaging story or a game with fun mechanics; that is, if your output is of high quality, I don't see a huge problem with trying to profit from your effort.
Although I totally get the visceral response from some of us, specially since some of those assets are from developers that also have an account here and taking visual assets from others could be considered akin to plagiarism (something arguably worse than piracy), but consider other games like Slave Maker or Brothel King… they don't create their own assets (it would be awfully impractical) although admittedly they don't try to profit (monetarily, since they can profit intellectually, socially or artistically/sexually) from them. Those games, specially the latter imo are great examples of successful projects with "borrowed" artwork.
But as long as it was kept free and without tiers of early access or gated content I'd be happy for there to be an option to financially support the developer or some of the creators of "girl packs" since their effort helps keep the game alive and moving forward.
Anyway, I hope we don't talk past each other and that we are not arbitrary or inconsistent in our worldviews (most worldviews are probably inconsistent but we ought to keep trying to improve ourselves and out beliefs and ground our actions and words in those beliefs).
Cheers and have a good one.
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Regarding my comparison to plagiarism remember: 1001 words are worth more than a picture. And it seems you explicitly said it was their artwork and after all… in this forum I've not usually seen the usage of others' ideas regarded as immoral but as trite (and ideas can range from general themes and tropes popularized by some or other game to intellectual property).
Maybe instead of offering early access you could have offered voting in a poll to include new characters. That way you don't charge for playing the game but if someone wanted to influence your creative output (coding and writing does require creativity) or simply support your project of compiling cool characters you've liked without expecting anything in return (beyond expecting that you keep developing the game I guess). That said an online tip jar might have been better than a patreon account, although probably less profitable.
Honestly if you can compile artwork from other places in a consistent way and apply it to an engaging story or a game with fun mechanics; that is, if your output is of high quality, I don't see a huge problem with trying to profit from your effort.
Although I totally get the visceral response from some of us, specially since some of those assets are from developers that also have an account here and taking visual assets from others could be considered akin to plagiarism (something arguably worse than piracy), but consider other games like Slave Maker or Brothel King… they don't create their own assets (it would be awfully impractical) although admittedly they don't try to profit (monetarily, since they can profit intellectually, socially or artistically/sexually) from them. Those games, specially the latter imo are great examples of successful projects with "borrowed" artwork.
But as long as it was kept free and without tiers of early access or gated content I'd be happy for there to be an option to financially support the developer or some of the creators of "girl packs" since their effort helps keep the game alive and moving forward.
Anyway, I hope we don't talk past each other and that we are not arbitrary or inconsistent in our worldviews (most worldviews are probably inconsistent but we ought to keep trying to improve ourselves and out beliefs and ground our actions and words in those beliefs).
Cheers and have a good one.
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Regarding my comparison to plagiarism remember: 1001 words are worth more than a picture. And it seems you explicitly said it was their artwork and after all… in this forum I've not usually seen the usage of others' ideas regarded as immoral but as trite (and ideas can range from general themes and tropes popularized by some or other game to intellectual property).
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i'd love to see melkor's reaction. However, the developer may have asked permission. Better to ask the developer first
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They have many standard
just what they like that not wrong
what about a modder that get patreon donate to cheat a game
or make tweak from game or adding anything
does that would consider make profit from other one work and illegal too?
in fact yes
but as long as they like it they don't care
They just like to hunt a witch as long as the witch are not their own people
game company movie cartoon anime
they never ok with fan made that make a selling from their work
but what can they do?
they even just been hate by player/watcher at not serve every fucking one wanted already
If they touch the good beloved artist/modder that got praise
it's like they start unnecessary war...