Yeah, that's my point. It will be ready when it's ready. So stop with the bullshit timelines that nobody believes anymore. I know this is a pirate forum and if you look through my post history I have not once demanded that something be released so I'm not sure why you commented that... unless you thought it was an easy way to discredit my opinion. I know that's an easy thing to say in order to shut down people who criticize a developer for taking a long time, but that's not what I did. I just pointed out that, like clockwork every month certain members, comment that the game will be released this month or the end of next month, and that it's super transparent. Speaking of salty, why are you getting salty when people point out this out to others? You're getting awfully defensive for someone else.
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OK, whatever
There's just no winning with these 'type' of people.
Not to unreasonably ignore ninety percent of your posts, but... you do know what "estimate" actually means, yes? I'd assume so, considering your experience with development work, but it can be a little hard to tell.
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This is fair but needs to be better communicated. When someone asks and gets an answer, it's implicit that there's some information behind the estimate, be it from patreon or discord or what have you.
This thread is a lot more mature and patient than most other games' threads. The readers understand that the dev is doing a lot more and working on her own to make something special. It's fine if it takes longer, but putting out optimistic release dates only adds drama when they've historically missed. Especially unnecessary when the missed estimates aren't even the dev's fault but just the result of optimistic fans trying to be helpful.
It's much more helpful to say "we don't know but this is her last report, so we'd like to think it'll take X longer because that's how long similar work has taken her in the past."
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One of the reasons for the delay is that Notty learned a new animation technique and decided to scrap all the animations she did in November and December; the new animations are much smoother and of much better quality than before.
In the past three months, she refunded one month and paused another two months; while this isn't ideal for anyone waiting for the update, it does show Notty's strong belief that backers get value for money. I suspect that if the update isn't out by the end of the month, she may pause again.
In the past three months, she refunded one month and paused another two months; while this isn't ideal for anyone waiting for the update, it does show Notty's strong belief that backers get value for money. I suspect that if the update isn't out by the end of the month, she may pause again.
Abandoned? Not charging is all well and good but the usual pattern is that they then cease production entirely...
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In what world redoing all the animations she did at the end of last year for this update because they didn't meet the new standard is ceasing production?!
So it is thus claimed, how many developers string folks along with "yeah, working working" and? I mean, she isn't at the level of some, where they are still charging every month, but nothing is still nothing. 8 months of nothing if I am counting right?
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Having played test builds and seen animations I can confidently say that she has been working.
She's also been showing previews on her Discord and she's been very open about the reasons for the delay. The idea that this game is "abandoned" is laughable if you're actually part of Notty's community.
Discord is patreon only. Not sure I am willing to jump on this fan train *quite* yet. Tell you what, she releases anytime in the next 30 days, and I'll pledge min $5.
Do you guys REALLY think its that odd to be skeptical of developers? I mean seriously look at all the crap that gets pulled and the FANS of the developers are rarely an honest or unbiased source.
Do you guys REALLY think its that odd to be skeptical of developers? I mean seriously look at all the crap that gets pulled and the FANS of the developers are rarely an honest or unbiased source.
Depends on the developer. Maybe I'm just lucky, but the devs I support (including Notty) are very open and honest about what they're working on, and my experience with them has been very positive. Being plugged into their communities via Discord or forums or whatever medium they use to communicate with their supporters is a very different experience compared to hanging out on F95 waiting for new stuff to get posted on the thread of the game you're interested in.
I get the mistrust people have on devs. I have my moments too sometimes, unfortunately. But a dev that refunds and pauses payments doesn't sound like a scammer to me. Besides Nottravis is cool as fuck! Come on!
Edit: I just had a moment just now, seeing ICSTOR's Milfy City finally got the Abandoned tag, sue me
Edit: I just had a moment just now, seeing ICSTOR's Milfy City finally got the Abandoned tag, sue me
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I don't think anyone has any issue with waiting, paying for the game or whatever else.
Mostly I think some are just annoyed with the estimates. And as someone pointed out, estimates are just estimates. Indeed they are, but they are based on information. I mean I assume there's a reason the estimate is late this month/early next instead of 5 minutes from now or some time in november. But ofc, the creator is in her full right to say it's out in 5 minutes from now, or in november, she doesn't owe us - or atleast not me - anything. I'm simply assuming the estimates are honest and not random dates, though I have wondered about why it's always late month/early next month. It's kinda like when I'm late for work and I call in, I'm always telling them I might be 10 minutes over, most of the time I'm actually 20 over, I know this, but I keep saying 10.
To use an analogy I think is very fitting. As hinted, I'm chronically late.
A good mate put me on the spot one day when I was my usual one hour late when I'm visiting him.
He said something like "you know you're always late, so why do you keep saying you'll be here at a certain time when you by experience have no reason to believe you will be? It's bloody disrespectful"
I had to aknowledge his point. Since then I've stopped giving times I have no reason to believe I will keep, instead I'm just giving him a "I'll be there at the latest XX:XX", which works for both of us. Ofc if I even failed to show up at the latest time announced he would really have a reason to be annoyed with me, but so far so good.
So my point is that I know by experience I'm always late to time agreed upon, and knowing that, the way I see it I'm basically lying to people if say I will be somewhere when I know I most likely won't be.
The other explanation to lying I can see is if I would have been so lacking of self awareness that my thoughts are "I've been late to meet my friend every time, and every time I've believed I would be on time. But that's zero reason to believe I'm gonna be late next time, so I can just keep saying I'll be there at time agreed upon."
Even if I had the best reasons to be an hour late, continuously finding myself in situations where I saved lives, I would still be n hour late.
Reminds me of the quote credited to Albert Einstein: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
Hopefully my analogy will make sense.
Mostly I think some are just annoyed with the estimates. And as someone pointed out, estimates are just estimates. Indeed they are, but they are based on information. I mean I assume there's a reason the estimate is late this month/early next instead of 5 minutes from now or some time in november. But ofc, the creator is in her full right to say it's out in 5 minutes from now, or in november, she doesn't owe us - or atleast not me - anything. I'm simply assuming the estimates are honest and not random dates, though I have wondered about why it's always late month/early next month. It's kinda like when I'm late for work and I call in, I'm always telling them I might be 10 minutes over, most of the time I'm actually 20 over, I know this, but I keep saying 10.
To use an analogy I think is very fitting. As hinted, I'm chronically late.
A good mate put me on the spot one day when I was my usual one hour late when I'm visiting him.
He said something like "you know you're always late, so why do you keep saying you'll be here at a certain time when you by experience have no reason to believe you will be? It's bloody disrespectful"
I had to aknowledge his point. Since then I've stopped giving times I have no reason to believe I will keep, instead I'm just giving him a "I'll be there at the latest XX:XX", which works for both of us. Ofc if I even failed to show up at the latest time announced he would really have a reason to be annoyed with me, but so far so good.
So my point is that I know by experience I'm always late to time agreed upon, and knowing that, the way I see it I'm basically lying to people if say I will be somewhere when I know I most likely won't be.
The other explanation to lying I can see is if I would have been so lacking of self awareness that my thoughts are "I've been late to meet my friend every time, and every time I've believed I would be on time. But that's zero reason to believe I'm gonna be late next time, so I can just keep saying I'll be there at time agreed upon."
Even if I had the best reasons to be an hour late, continuously finding myself in situations where I saved lives, I would still be n hour late.
Reminds me of the quote credited to Albert Einstein: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
Hopefully my analogy will make sense.
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Those "fans" are actually betatesters of the game. So they do know how the game is coming along and give estimates based on their own work and Notty's comments in her official channels. What they can't do is anticipate Notty's sudden changes of mind that make her remake large chunks of already done work. Anyway, so much discussion for a pointless issue
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