Ren'Py Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[XaGnard]

Oh no, nothing like that. The next release will be full Chapter Four. It just needs a bit more polishing to iron out any issues that might remain.

Are you so sure about that? What else is the meaning of ...

I'll see if I can find the time to pull out the combat gameplay from VR without breaking it and pop it up on here in a couple of days ...

... other than an update with only the VR content? What irritates me most about this delay is that I had the impression the update was as good as done three weeks ago ...

... The new gameplay mechanics work well and the gameplay itself seems nicely balanced pathwise (always a concern of mine given the number of paths available). The plot and writing was well received as were the animations and perhaps far more importantly, the lewd scenes got particular praise.

...

From my side of the screen, it's just slog, slog, slog and wrap it up. It's hard, dull work that needs some focus (especially on the coding errors) but I'm not after sympathy with that statement, just some understanding that at this stage I won't be very chatty and message responses will be delayed/slow. ...

It's a strange trend of some of the games here that the time between updates gets frighteningly long, with more and more excuses as to why everything is delayed even further.

 

[somebodynobody]

Is the module supposed to be a pool version of the basketball game "Horse"?

 

[NeimadFR]

Is the module supposed to be a pool version of the basketball game "Horse"?

Not really, it's a trick shot contest. the balls are put in a fixed configuration and you have to get the designated ball in the designated basket. Then the balls are put in another configuration and so on an so forth.

 

[Akamari]

Are you so sure about that? What else is the meaning of ...

... other than an update with only the VR content? What irritates me most about this delay is that I had the impression the update was as good as done three weeks ago ...

Ah, OK I missed that part. That's not really an update, but just a standalone gameplay showcase. Honestly, I'd ignore it if I were you and wait for the Chapter release which shouldn't be far off. It depends on how she decides to resolve the pool issue.


Let me try to break down what is or isn't done.

All morning segments. - Produced, reviewed and improved by Notty, tested by the testers. Done.

All afternoon segments - Produced, reviewed and improved by Notty, tested by the testers. Done.

VR - Produced, reviewed and improved by Notty (it's what she focused on in the last few weeks), not tested.

CoC - Produced, reviewed and improved by Notty, tested by the testers. Probably done. This was done a fairly long time ago, so it's possible it may yet get some more improvements, but it's very light on animations and Notty was happy with it. Honestly, I don't expect any more reworks here.

Domme - Produced, reviewed and improved by Notty, not tested.

Strip pool - Produced, being reviewed by Notty now, not tested.

All other smaller evening segments - Produced, reviewed and improved by Notty, not tested.

Final testing of a release candidate - Not done. (It is expected that the remaining untested parts and the final testing will happen in one go).

Note that this just my own assessment as one of the testers based on what Notty has shared. Nothing official.

 

[Patchez]

I have to be honest, I'd be shocked if this game is ever completed. I played the earlier versions, I may have even played the latest update ( I don't recall if it was the original or the rework I played last). I enjoyed them too, I was one of the first to start playing this game. My first recorded post was March of 2019, and I say recorded because the mods came in and deleted a load of comments for being OT, so I probably posted before then.

I don't know if I'll play the new updates or not. At a certain point, you forget what has happened and you don't have time to replay the game to refresh yourself. The "sweet spot" for updates is 3-4 months, I think. Long enough to develop a good amount of content and progression, yet short enough to still remember previous events.

But this is just way too complex for a developers first game. We're way over that "sweet spot" update schedule. Not to mention Notty, while being a very had worker, is also a big time perfectionist. She seems to constantly do a bunch of work, only to scrap it and redo. Sometimes less is more. And sometimes "Good enough" is, well, good enough. It doesn't have to be perfect. Notty is far from the only developer that have this issue though, it's probably one of the most common there is.

Big complex game + Perfectionist developer very rarely work out. I'm not sure I can even name a game of this scale that has been completed. Maybe this one will be an exception, but we'll be waiting several more years at least.

Holy fuck, I just realised it has been more than a year since last update

 

[NeimadFR]

Holy fuck, I just realised it has been more than a year since last update

Holy fuck, I just realised you can't read a date since the last update was in October 2020.

 

[Patchez]

Holy fuck, I just realised you can't read a date since the last update was in October 2020.

Possibly, but 9 months isn't that much better

 

[A.C.H.B.]

Holy fuck, I just realised it has been more than a year since last update

Math is hard.

 

[TheDevian]

Possibly, but 9 months isn't that much better

Big updates take time.

 

[jan.spam]

I kinda see both sides of the argument: ignoring troll comments, all that the remaining - respectful - critics are saying is that Notty is surely loading more on her plate than is good for her. And, since she won't ever sacrifice quality she will give up timelines. Still communicating them every month, and consequently having to push them back every month is not helpful, as - even with with best intensions and many disclaimers you do create anticipation, which is then if cancelled causing the negative bubble.

On the other side, she will tell the story at her pace alone, and who ever wants to fund her shall do so, and whoever wants to troll can sleep under the next bridge.

 

[Patchez]

Big updates take time.

Just dont pay attention to this game, its a waste of time, this thread either, they were defending a guy who said he is willing to wait 10 years for an update just a few days ago, too many fanboys here to have an objective discussion also.

Too bad for this game cause it seemed promising at the beginning

The game is absolutely good, which is why I actually come back to it. The issue is, I don't know any games that take that long to update and then you think "damn, that long a wait was justified". Hell, I don't actually know any games that I follow that take that long to update! (barring "on-hold"). The only exception is Summertime Saga and even that updates 2x more often if I'm correct.

 

[TheDevian]

The game is absolutely good, which is why I actually come back to it. The issue is, I don't know any games that take that long to update and then you think "damn, that long a wait was justified". Hell, I don't actually know any games that I follow that take that long to update! (barring "on-hold"). The only exception is Summertime Saga and even that updates 2x more often if I'm correct.

I have seen a few, but most of them didn't have the amount of content, 30fps animations, paths, and so on. Some of them were actual milkers, but you can say a lot of things about Notty, but being lazy will never be one of them. She is always working hard, producing high quality content, on a mid level computer system.

 

[Patchez]

I have seen a few, but most of them didn't have the amount of content, 30fps animations, paths, and so on.

Can you name a few? I meant not just games with long update time, but the "wow, the wait was worth" effect

 

[NeimadFR]

Can you name a few? I meant not just games with long update time, but the "wow, the wait was worth" effect

Starship Inanna is the first that comes to mind for me.

 

[TheDevian]

Can you name a few? I meant not just games with long update time, but the "wow, the wait was worth" effect

That is subjective (some might say Dr. Amana, or Vinland), but that is where this one is unique, most are slow because their devs are not full time, this is due to dedication and quality.

Most of us might not see all of the work that goes into it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. It depends on what you want out of a game though. If you want a quick fap, this isn't the game for you. This isn't a porn game, it is a mature themed game, that happens to also have sex, like Mass Effect or something.

 

[Patchez]

Starship Inanna is the first that comes to mind for me.

Cheers, I'mma check it out

That is subjective, but that is where this one is unique, most are slow because their devs are not full time, this is due to dedication and quality.

Most of us might not see all of the work that goes into it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. It depends on what you want out of a game though. If you want a quick fap, this isn't the game for you. This isn't a porn game, it is a mature themed game, that happens to also have sex, like Mass Effect or something.

LMAO, if you think that this game is mature themed we are playing different games. Try the last sovereign on F95 for what I would consider a mature game with good writing.

Also just got a 2.3k word message with quotes like below that are starting to leave me in stitches and actually make me ponder about the whole remaster fact. I don't really play/follow any games that seem like they are milking it, but man, this sure is starting to look like one

Anyhoo....

Vanishing for the month. Heaps of writing and coding to bring it all together. I do open updates posts anyways so you can keep tabs on me that way

Gunning for a Feb release but a lot to do still, hence the vanishing act to focus.

Laters!

 

[jaw1986baby]

Honestly for me:
I have so many games/VNs that I follow that I think I should just put this thread on ignore and come back next year.

Some of my games/VNs update fast, they tend to be more cheeseball or off-the-wall or FAP games
Some update slow and they tend to be story-driven, quality games

There are exceptions to both those above lines, of course.

I came here because of the MASSIVE hype around all the awards given to this game.

MY OPINION is this moves far, far too slow to justify the hype. Also the branching paths aren't the most complex ever and when you follow a path and want to see what other routes you could have taken there is NOTHING to help. If you are going to have a lot of complexity why not have guides?? Some people want to go freeform 1st try but still may want to know their options are upon replay. Since so much of this game's hype seems to be about the re-playability I find it extraordinarily disappointing that it lacks all the guidance SO MANY other games/VNs have in that regard.

I wish you well. All of you and the Dev.

See you in 2022

PEACE

 

[Hullahopp]

"I don't really play/follow any games that seem like they are milking it, but man, this sure is starting to look like one"

Lady Nottravis is honest, she just wants to do too good a job. Perfectionism is a fucking tyrant, he lies, you are not good enough and you will never be good enough. The end will be that poor Notty really becomes a ghost.

 

[TheDevian]

I have so many games to play (and more to the point, work to do), I don't care how long they take to update, as long I enjoy them when they do. Far too many games with fast updates, are short and unfulfilling, even if you wait months between playing the weekly updates. Compare that to this one, where one of us played for over a month, and still never saw all there was to see.

Everything I have seen from the new update so far, looks amazing, and while no one likes to wait, you can't say she isn't busting her ass (sometimes literally) to bring us a ton of unique content that is of high quality. Hell, the little VR story in the last update was bigger than many updates in some games, and that was just part of one optional side path.

 

[reiterhaniwa]

Possibly, but 9 months isn't that much better

It is, in fact, demonstrably at least 25% better.