Can you post a link to a game you have developed? Genuinely curious here.
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You mean the games from devs that get buttloads of money thrown their way,. Of course they're gonna be faster with rocket fueled computers. She's a struggling dev on her first game having to work with limitations.
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I have no game developed, I only started learning and mostly because I wanna cheat for better stats and no grinding. All I saw its a was lot of work. When you wanna some renpy help I am the wrong person, my skills are low. And its not only renpy, you need good pics and animations. Thats the next problem. When you really want some help, ask some people with more experience. After 2 Month I am not very experienced.
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Ahhh. For me personally, I don't mind long dev cycles if there is a constant stream of content (legitimate sized updates... not a new item or a a few lines of dialogue). Some games are great and you just want more and more of those games. However, I have supported people in the past who drag out updates and that made me much more cautious about supporting devs who follow that pattern. It's too easy for those types of projects to become money pits with little to show for the investment.
I have done dev work in the past and it's not easy so this isn't meant to be an attack on those devs. It's also not uncommon for a developer to constantly change their mind with the direction of a project as new ideas pop into their head. That can be just as difficult for a developer as it's easy to feel like they put in a ton of work and haven't gone anywhere because of what's been scrapped. As far as if a project continues with a developer like that... it depends on the developer and the community. If the community feels like a project is getting neglected, many will stop supporting. Complaints will become more frequent in forums, and generally the community will start to become more hostile.
This can be more stressful for a developer because now there's the added pressure of letting people down and hostility from users. However, their community should not be criticized when they express frustration with those types of devs (as long as their respectful). If criticism is warranted, then fighting the critics rarely pans out for a creator and generally leads to full scale revolution of previous supporters. The reality is, people don't like investing time and money into a project to see it take forever to deliver results. The developer might get annoyed by the reactions, but that's not really the fault of the community. That always happens in all communities when the creator is viewed as someone who failed the community (Take a look at D&D with Game of Thrones, or Lucasfilm with the Sequel Trilogy).
So.... am I personally supportive of long projects... no. Are long projects acceptable if the community is ok with it... sure. If the community still back it, then why not. In the case of Heavy Five, I don't personally back the project so I don't care if it takes a long time. It's not my money.
I don't think a person needs to have developed anything in order to criticize how long a game takes to be released. Most people are not writers, yet many have come to the consensus that Game of Thrones: the Winds of Winter, is taking too long to release. That being said, personally, I avoid criticizing developers for failing to release a product, if I don't support them. After all, it's not my money on the line so I'm not annoyed by it. But, telling people that they can't say anything unless they have experience in the field seems silly to me.
Well he did bring up he's learning Renpy and also mentions what 'A good game dev' in his mind should be so I reckon he's speaking on the perspective of a fellow game dev. And what better way to critique a dev's capabilities than having a go at one of the games they have developed right? That is what you're doing here after all.
Also, I'm curious how you came up with: "But, telling people that they can't say anything unless they have experience in the field seems silly to me." from that one simple question I posted? By all means, you are free to say anything you want about the game. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you, and cry foul when you get a little pushback. It's hilarious tbh.
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Without responding directly to anyone, I offer some simple advice:
- If I don't like a game, I move on to something else. There's bound to be people who like the game, and I'm not going to put them down for what they like.
- If I think a game is too slow to release, I'll set it aside and find something else to get into. If I also happen to be supporting that game, and I think the dev's scamming, I'll withdraw my patronage.
- If I want to argue about how country X is better than country Z, I'll go find a subreddit about it, not rant on a porn games forum.
- If I feel I have valuable input for a dev (for instance: a dev writing a story set in current-day Alaska should not have sheriffs [
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- If I don't like the setting or characters in a game, then I don't like the game, so, see the first point above.
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Yes, there has been some news over at Notty's forum; she's trying to get it out by the end of the month.
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So just to give a contrast to long development time:
What is being done
What you are getting for your wait
How the dev feels for you having to wait
https://f95zone.to/threads/wicked-choices-agents-of-karma-v0-1-75-aslpro3d.29811/post-6249692
That is a second part of a game from this dev and part one has been completed.
It is a well made game (I will not compare some half-ass bad render game to the quality of Notty)
It also has well made story choices and branch paths (See the twine here)
Lastly this is work since the last update in Sept 2020
One man who, as he stated, has had medical issues and PC issues along the way.
So people can wait for good quality work but it might be easier for everyone if there was more information sharing about the size and scope and why it takes so long and how close we are to the finish line.
I say this all with love for all the developers out there making games we love and entertain us or even just scratch an itch for us. So that good practices are recognized and shared to help others.
I wish you all the best (Dev and everyone else here)
PEACE
What is being done
What you are getting for your wait
How the dev feels for you having to wait
https://f95zone.to/threads/wicked-choices-agents-of-karma-v0-1-75-aslpro3d.29811/post-6249692
That is a second part of a game from this dev and part one has been completed.
It is a well made game (I will not compare some half-ass bad render game to the quality of Notty)
It also has well made story choices and branch paths (See the twine here)
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One man who, as he stated, has had medical issues and PC issues along the way.
So people can wait for good quality work but it might be easier for everyone if there was more information sharing about the size and scope and why it takes so long and how close we are to the finish line.
I say this all with love for all the developers out there making games we love and entertain us or even just scratch an itch for us. So that good practices are recognized and shared to help others.
I wish you all the best (Dev and everyone else here)
PEACE
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The mass of "it is not all that bad" contributions here, makes me suspect that maybe something is really not going so well right now.
I hope I'm wrong and an excellent update is available soon.
I haven't suspected that anything hasn't been going well. If someone told me the game would be out in 2023 I'd be like "ok, cool, I'll check back then."
Only thing that bothers me (and yeah I know we've been through this), are the estimates. Since she was hoping to get it out early february, then early march, then early april, then early may, then early june, then early july, I don't get why the people that's informed now say early august. And you know if it's coming mid october they're not gonna say mid october or anything like that, they're gonna say she's hoping to get it out late august/early september, and then they're gonna say late september/early october.
And it's not the constantly pushed estimates that bother me, it's not understanding how the messengers are still telling the same thing over and over.
If I was informed about the progress, but had been wrong 6 times in a row, I would figure I'd propably be wrong the 7th time as well. Only reason I could see myself continue giving out estimates would be if I didn't give a crap. But that's just me.
My main point is only this: If the developer herself has been the one to come out with these estimates, and she's been wrong 5 times in a row, closing on 6, then pure logic would dictate that there's a better reason to believe the coming estimates to be false, then for them to be true. That is basically the only thing I personally would like her supporters to comment on.
I've stated this before tho and I'm gonna do my best not to repeat myself.
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Something did indeed happen, here's the latest news from Notty on her forum
There is also the case of the heatwave that threatened to blow up her computer once again.
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Funny, we were talking about that on our private chat and a few of us decided to not give estimates anymore. Having been one of the latest to give an estimate I thought correct based on what I knew at the time which ended up being wrong I now see your point and feel sorry for giving false hope when I don't have all the informations at hand.
Thank you, this is the first time I feel like someone close to the project (if that's a correct way of putting it) has adressed my grievance, mostly I feel like posts here are more or less nitpicking, strawmens and generally non productive arguments.
I haven't kept track of which users has been giving estimates, I've just assumed that the source of the estimates is the developer herself (I mean, otherwise it wouldn't make sense giving out estimates if the creator did not sign off on them), and it just bothered me that people went by the logic that "well the same thing has happened 5 times in a row now, so most likely something completely different is gonna happen the 6th time"
*raises hand*
The work Notty does to make H5 as good as she can get it makes any wait worth it imo.
Hopefully we finally get to see the chapter soon.
I’ve long ago accepted the fact that the perfectionism streak in notty is part of why I love her work on heavy five but it will always be the reason why I’m frustrated at not seeing the work as frequently as i might hope.
I’ve long ago accepted the fact that the perfectionism streak in notty is part of why I love her work on heavy five but it will always be the reason why I’m frustrated at not seeing the work as frequently as i might hope.
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Thats not the Question, if Nottys game H5 was a bad Game, i didnt care when it never gets finished or takes 30 years to complete. But it is fact that a lot over 50% or better said near to 90% of all Renpy games older than 3 years never gets completed, but my bad english didnt let me find the right words. Better finish a 80% perfect game and start a new game, than never complete a 100% perfect game! And no game gets really 100%, there are allways people who dont like a really good game! So what I wanna would have said is, the best game is a completed game! And I said I only learned Renpy to cheat and have better stats because I hate grinding and wanna have unlocked all gallerys. When i wrote a english story, everyone on this side would crush me in the air because my bad grammar and vocabulary! I think a completed game is a good proof of quality work for future projects! Notty wrote a good story, she is talented in game devoloping and made good pics and Animations, its a pain for me, not seeing her completing this nice game! Not only because H5 was a nice game, to be honest I like that this game was made by a Girl! I think she is lazy, but we need moore Girls as Developers, girls have a different side of view!
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Found a "loophole". Where do i report it?
If you dont want to play VR as a female you will be asked if you want to play CoC instead. If you say yes she talks about Gloria again and MC doenst know about her even they both talked about this minutes ago.
If you dont want to play VR as a female you will be asked if you want to play CoC instead. If you say yes she talks about Gloria again and MC doenst know about her even they both talked about this minutes ago.
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Your best bet for reporting bugs is over on the dev's forum. The link is in the OP. (first page)