Ren'Py Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[TomWant Badass]

There have been tons of details and previews on the content. On Notty's patreon, forum and discord.


A misleading information. You make it sound like 2 years have been spent reworking just this chapter instead of the entire game. And it's not just "quite different", it's totally different. And much better.

Wow, this game is 30 month old!! It has to be finished! A good Renpy game is finished in 2-3-4-5-6-10years??? < 2Years!!! This is my thought and this game has after 2,5 Years under 25%! Not that the Dev is lazy, he is the opposite of lazy and makes a really good work! And he knows what he does, he has a lot of skills and makes good work: The problem is: The Dev makes the game structure so complicated that a single Dev without help needs 6-10 years to finish this game!! Thats too much, every renpy game should be finished after 3 years! Who wanna wait 6-10 years? Is it not a bit toooo long???

 

[imnotoverhere]

There have been tons of details and previews on the content. On Notty's patreon, forum and discord.

I am not on Notty's Patreon or discord. I am only able to report what we know here. There is very little detail here on the contents, other than it has changed from the initial release version.

A misleading information. You make it sound like 2 years have been spent reworking just this chapter instead of the entire game. And it's not just "quite different", it's totally different. And much better.

I have not mislead anyone and I don't appreciate those accusations. The member asked about Chapter 4 and I replied with what is known about Chapter 4. Other chapters are irrelevant to what was asked. As far as the difference between "Quite Different" and "Totally Different", that's just splitting hairs. If you wish to use "Totally Different", that's fine. I wouldn't know since nothing was ever released. All we have to go on here, are rumors and speculation.

Personally, I'm not sure why you are so vehemently pushing back against my post. All I did, was report what is known about Chapter 4. I would appreciate if you did not throw false accusations towards me. Let's keep this civil.

 

[imnotoverhere]

Why don´t you answer a more important previous question?

I'm not following. Which question are you referring to?

 

[Akamari]

I am not on Notty's Patreon or discord. I am only able to report what we know here. There is very little detail here on the contents, other than it has changed from the initial release version.

Well maybe phrasing "what I know" instead of "what is known" would be better?

There are plenty open to all patreon posts detailing the development, if you'd like more information. Also you don't have to be a patron to register at Notty's forum, if you'd like to see more. Have you seen the May trailer of Chapter Four?

I have not mislead anyone and I don't appreciate those accusations. The member asked about Chapter 4 and I replied with what is known about Chapter 4. Other chapters are irrelevant to what was asked. As far as the difference between "Quite Different" and "Totally Different", that's just splitting hairs. If you wish to use "Totally Different", that's fine. I wouldn't know since nothing was ever released. All we have to go on here, are rumors and speculation.

Personally, I'm not sure why you are so vehemently pushing back against my post. All I did, was report what is known about Chapter 4. I would appreciate if you did not throw false accusations towards me. Let's keep this civil.

Oh, I'm not accusing you. I'm not saying you are trying to mislead intentionally. The thing I object to is that someone might get a false impression from you that there's very little work being done on the game.

 

[TomWant Badass]

I'm not following. Which question are you referring to?

To be honest, a renpy game should be finished afer 2,5 years or 30 month. Most top tier games like depraved awakening and much others didnt need moore than 1.5 years!!

 

[A.C.H.B.]

Buahhhhhhhhhhhhh, this game is 30 month old!! It has to be finished! I staret learning renpy and all I have seen is::: A good Renpy game Dev finished his game in??? < 2Years!!! This is my thought and this game has after 2,5 Years under 25%! Not that the Dev is lazy, he is the opposite of lazy and makes a really good work! And he knows what he does, he has a lot of skills and makes good work: The problem is: The Dev makes the game structure so complicated that a single Dev without help needs 6-10 years to finish this game!! Thats too much, every renpy game should be finished after 3 years! Who wanna wait 6-10 years? Is it not a bit toooo long???

Can you post a link to a game you have developed? Genuinely curious here.

 

[NeimadFR]

To be honest, a renpy game should be finished afer 2,5 years or 30 month. Most top tier games like depraved awakening and much others didnt need moore than 1.5 years!!

You mean the games from devs that get buttloads of money thrown their way,. Of course they're gonna be faster with rocket fueled computers. She's a struggling dev on her first game having to work with limitations.

 

[TomWant Badass]

Can you post a link to a game you have developed? Genuinely curious here.

Can you post a link to a game you have developed? Genuinely curious here.

I have no game developed, I only started learning and mostly because I wanna cheat for better stats and no grinding. All I saw its a was lot of work. When you wanna some renpy help I am the wrong person, my skills are low. And its not only renpy, you need good pics and animations. Thats the next problem. When you really want some help, ask some people with more experience. After 2 Month I am not very experienced.

 

[imnotoverhere]

To be honest, a renpy game should be finished afer 2,5 years or 30 month. Most top tier games like depraved awakening and much others didnt need moore than 1.5 years!!

Ahhh. For me personally, I don't mind long dev cycles if there is a constant stream of content (legitimate sized updates... not a new item or a a few lines of dialogue). Some games are great and you just want more and more of those games. However, I have supported people in the past who drag out updates and that made me much more cautious about supporting devs who follow that pattern. It's too easy for those types of projects to become money pits with little to show for the investment.

I have done dev work in the past and it's not easy so this isn't meant to be an attack on those devs. It's also not uncommon for a developer to constantly change their mind with the direction of a project as new ideas pop into their head. That can be just as difficult for a developer as it's easy to feel like they put in a ton of work and haven't gone anywhere because of what's been scrapped. As far as if a project continues with a developer like that... it depends on the developer and the community. If the community feels like a project is getting neglected, many will stop supporting. Complaints will become more frequent in forums, and generally the community will start to become more hostile.

This can be more stressful for a developer because now there's the added pressure of letting people down and hostility from users. However, their community should not be criticized when they express frustration with those types of devs (as long as their respectful). If criticism is warranted, then fighting the critics rarely pans out for a creator and generally leads to full scale revolution of previous supporters. The reality is, people don't like investing time and money into a project to see it take forever to deliver results. The developer might get annoyed by the reactions, but that's not really the fault of the community. That always happens in all communities when the creator is viewed as someone who failed the community (Take a look at D&D with Game of Thrones, or Lucasfilm with the Sequel Trilogy).

So.... am I personally supportive of long projects... no. Are long projects acceptable if the community is ok with it... sure. If the community still back it, then why not. In the case of Heavy Five, I don't personally back the project so I don't care if it takes a long time. It's not my money.

 

[imnotoverhere]

Can you post a link to a game you have developed? Genuinely curious here.

I don't think a person needs to have developed anything in order to criticize how long a game takes to be released. Most people are not writers, yet many have come to the consensus that Game of Thrones: the Winds of Winter, is taking too long to release. That being said, personally, I avoid criticizing developers for failing to release a product, if I don't support them. After all, it's not my money on the line so I'm not annoyed by it. But, telling people that they can't say anything unless they have experience in the field seems silly to me.

 

[A.C.H.B.]

I don't think a person needs to have developed anything in order to criticize how long a game takes to be released. Most people are not writers, yet many have come to the consensus that Game of Thrones: the Winds of Winter, is taking too long to release. That being said, personally, I avoid criticizing developers for failing to release a product, if I don't support them. After all, it's not my money on the line so I'm not annoyed by it. But, telling people that they can't say anything unless they have experience in the field seems silly to me.

Well he did bring up he's learning Renpy and also mentions what 'A good game dev' in his mind should be so I reckon he's speaking on the perspective of a fellow game dev. And what better way to critique a dev's capabilities than having a go at one of the games they have developed right? That is what you're doing here after all.

Also, I'm curious how you came up with: "But, telling people that they can't say anything unless they have experience in the field seems silly to me." from that one simple question I posted? By all means, you are free to say anything you want about the game. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you, and cry foul when you get a little pushback. It's hilarious tbh.

 

[frap]

Without responding directly to anyone, I offer some simple advice:

• If I don't like a game, I move on to something else. There's bound to be people who like the game, and I'm not going to put them down for what they like.
• If I think a game is too slow to release, I'll set it aside and find something else to get into. If I also happen to be supporting that game, and I think the dev's scamming, I'll withdraw my patronage.
• If I want to argue about how country X is better than country Z, I'll go find a subreddit about it, not rant on a porn games forum.
• If I feel I have valuable input for a dev (for instance: a dev writing a story set in current-day Alaska should not have sheriffs [
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• If I don't like the setting or characters in a game, then I don't like the game, so, see the first point above.

You don't have to take my example, you don't even have to listen to Wil Wheaton when he says "Don't be a dick." Just wanted to state my piece.

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[XaGnard]

I had thought there should be an update. Is there any new news?

 

[I'm Not Thea Lundgren!]

I had thought there should be an update. Is there any new news?

Yes, there has been some news over at Notty's forum; she's trying to get it out by the end of the month.

 

[jaw1986baby]

So just to give a contrast to long development time:

What is being done
What you are getting for your wait
How the dev feels for you having to wait

https://f95zone.to/threads/wicked-choices-agents-of-karma-v0-1-75-aslpro3d.29811/post-6249692

That is a second part of a game from this dev and part one has been completed.
It is a well made game (I will not compare some half-ass bad render game to the quality of Notty)
It also has well made story choices and branch paths (See the twine here)

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Lastly this is work since the last update in Sept 2020
One man who, as he stated, has had medical issues and PC issues along the way.
So people can wait for good quality work but it might be easier for everyone if there was more information sharing about the size and scope and why it takes so long and how close we are to the finish line.

I say this all with love for all the developers out there making games we love and entertain us or even just scratch an itch for us. So that good practices are recognized and shared to help others.

I wish you all the best (Dev and everyone else here)

PEACE

 

[XaGnard]

Yes, there has been some news over at Notty's forum; she's trying to get it out by the end of the month.

So just to give a contrast to long development time:

What is being done
What you are getting for your wait
How the dev feels for you having to wait

https://f95zone.to/threads/wicked-choices-agents-of-karma-v0-1-75-aslpro3d.29811/post-6249692

That is a second part of a game from this dev and part one has been completed.
It is a well made game (I will not compare some half-ass bad render game to the quality of Notty)
It also has well made story choices and branch paths (See the twine here)

Spoiler

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Lastly this is work since the last update in Sept 2020
One man who, as he stated, has had medical issues and PC issues along the way.
So people can wait for good quality work but it might be easier for everyone if there was more information sharing about the size and scope and why it takes so long and how clos we are to the finish line.

I say this all with love for all the developers out there making games we love and entertain us or even just scratch an itch for us. So that good practices are recognized and shared to help others.

I wish you all the best (Dev and everyone else here)

PEACE

The mass of "it is not all that bad" contributions here, makes me suspect that maybe something is really not going so well right now.

I hope I'm wrong and an excellent update is available soon.

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

The mass of "it is not all that bad" contributions here, makes me suspect that maybe something is really not going so well right now.

I hope I'm wrong and an excellent update is available soon.

I haven't suspected that anything hasn't been going well. If someone told me the game would be out in 2023 I'd be like "ok, cool, I'll check back then."

Only thing that bothers me (and yeah I know we've been through this), are the estimates. Since she was hoping to get it out early february, then early march, then early april, then early may, then early june, then early july, I don't get why the people that's informed now say early august. And you know if it's coming mid october they're not gonna say mid october or anything like that, they're gonna say she's hoping to get it out late august/early september, and then they're gonna say late september/early october.
And it's not the constantly pushed estimates that bother me, it's not understanding how the messengers are still telling the same thing over and over.

If I was informed about the progress, but had been wrong 6 times in a row, I would figure I'd propably be wrong the 7th time as well. Only reason I could see myself continue giving out estimates would be if I didn't give a crap. But that's just me.

My main point is only this: If the developer herself has been the one to come out with these estimates, and she's been wrong 5 times in a row, closing on 6, then pure logic would dictate that there's a better reason to believe the coming estimates to be false, then for them to be true. That is basically the only thing I personally would like her supporters to comment on.

I've stated this before tho and I'm gonna do my best not to repeat myself.

 

[NeimadFR]

The mass of "it is not all that bad" contributions here, makes me suspect that maybe something is really not going so well right now.

I hope I'm wrong and an excellent update is available soon.

Something did indeed happen, here's the latest news from Notty on her forum

Getting there guys. A few glitches and redoes (Daz asset designers that make assets that -only- look good from a distance and not in close up deserve their own special fucking hell for the render time they waste and the redoes they cost).

A couple of flag bugs have come to light but easy to sort. There is one scene I'm shifting over to Five due to it's complexity (you may gather I'm determined to ship by the end of the month). Not render wise or technical for a change but on the writing. It's a scene that has to really work to ...well, work. But as of now I'm not sure I've nailed it. It's a scene that could really cause some offence to some and needs very careful handling but with all the other tidying up I'm doing I don't think I have the time to look at it again from all angles. (some scenes get written and tweaked several times before you see them)

I've also lost count of animation frames at this stage. Hell, even VR has over twenty lewd ani's....

There is also the case of the heatwave that threatened to blow up her computer once again.

 

[NeimadFR]

I haven't suspected that anything hasn't been going well. If someone told me the game would be out in 2023 I'd be like "ok, cool, I'll check back then."

Only thing that bothers me (and yeah I know we've been through this), are the estimates. Since she was hoping to get it out early february, then early march, then early april, then early may, then early june, then early july, I don't get why the people that's informed now say early august. And you know if it's coming mid august they're not gonna say mid october or anything like that, they're gonna say she's hoping to get it out late august/early september.
And it's not the constantly pushed estimates that bother me, it's not understanding how the messengers are still telling the same thing over and over.

If I was informed about the progress, but had been wrong 6 times in a row, I would figure I'd propably be wrong the 7th time as well. Only reason I could see myself continue giving out estimates would be if I didn't give a crap. But that's just me

Funny, we were talking about that on our private chat and a few of us decided to not give estimates anymore. Having been one of the latest to give an estimate I thought correct based on what I knew at the time which ended up being wrong I now see your point and feel sorry for giving false hope when I don't have all the informations at hand.

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

Funny, we were talking about that on our private chat and a few of us decided to not give estimates anymore. Having been one of the latest to give an estimate I thought correct based on what I knew at the time which ended up being wrong I now see your point and feel sorry for giving false hope when I don't have all the informations at hand.

Thank you, this is the first time I feel like someone close to the project (if that's a correct way of putting it) has adressed my grievance, mostly I feel like posts here are more or less nitpicking, strawmens and generally non productive arguments.

I haven't kept track of which users has been giving estimates, I've just assumed that the source of the estimates is the developer herself (I mean, otherwise it wouldn't make sense giving out estimates if the creator did not sign off on them), and it just bothered me that people went by the logic that "well the same thing has happened 5 times in a row now, so most likely something completely different is gonna happen the 6th time"