- Jul 1, 2017
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Everything you say make me feel that you're forcing yourself to play a game you don't like. Maybe you shoud just drop it, there is nothing wrong with that.
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- May 28, 2017
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More of a "thrash the game" thread this year. I suppose you're right. It's not the feedback and discussion thread it used to be. It sorta makes sense without dev presence, unfortunately.
Then I don't see the problem. I'd accept your points if playing CoC was necessary but it's not. And the RNG shouldn't come as a surprise. It's a tabletop RPG minigame, so of course there would be RNG. How can anyone expect something else? I think it becomes apparent soon enough that this isn't a simple VN, and most activities have some kind of gameplay element to them. Moreso, it's possible to switch from CoC to VR after the first (and even second I think?) session. I'd think the lack of "Completed" prefix is rather telling that paths are unfinished, no? A single playthrough regardless of choices offers significant playtime I'd argue. Those who claim otherwise either skip or take no time to think about what they read.
Heh, I rather agree with your thoughts on Sarah. I think she's defo playing with us in more ways than one.
Personally, I don't think she's that bad as a GM. She can sometimes go into interesting details (not talking about orcs) and certainly doesn't lack enthusiasm. For a light-hearted play I rather enjoy her silliness. Sometimes that's better than a super serious GM.
- Jun 17, 2019
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No, please don't get me wrong. I do like the game because I see the project as a whole and even though some parts are not made for my tastes, I still see the insane amount of work behind them and the overall thing is going to be just great if she keeps going like this (and mostly I want to see what the hell is going on in Ophion). I'm just stating why other people don't like it, I find that criticism absolute legit because I understand their standpoint and how they played the game, expecting something else that simply is not there and getting frustrated by the content not designed for them but that they still find anyway while searching for something they hoped they could like. These are not people bashing the dev out with false accusations of milking and so on, these are people who played the game and hoped to like it but just couldn't, and then come here and try to explain why. And of course their comments are bitter and sometimes even illogical, because they just didn't like the game and there's no technical reason for it but just a personal feeling of... wasted time and frustration due to gameplay elements they never like. It's hard to explain that in a way you wouldn't find irrational or even offensive because they'll tend to focus precisely on those elements they absolutely hate and build their comment from there, and then you are going to think why the hell were they even playing to begin with. Of course you're going to think they can't appreciate nor even understand all what you love about H5 and they should just go and stay away (which is what they're going to do anyway). But I do understand them. That's all.
- Jun 21, 2017
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I don't know what you mean...
- Jul 1, 2017
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Damn, Barbarian babe is probably the hotest character in this game
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She's right up there but I still prefer Jane.Damn, Barbarian babe is probably the hotest character in this game
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Can someone tell me where the secret hidden cache is in chapter 4? I'm really curious as to what it is.
- May 28, 2017
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Thanks. How do I get to it? It says to get a ladder and a power tool to get to the vent. Where do I find them?
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Mike has the ladder, so go see him at the power plant. You can find the drill in the workshop table.
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I got the ladder and I found the drill, but for some reason, it won't let me grab the drill. The MC just keeps saying "Easy access general toolkit. Handy for hitting pipes with but not much else" Am I supposed to do something else first or is this a bug in the game?
- May 28, 2017
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You just to know where it is, so that your character can automatically get it and use when needed. You should now be able to open the vent.
I have just finished new content, now i will wait a week and try another route(s) and waifus .
Sometimes it is hard (even for me) to change paradigm - we play games for win (some people even pay for win = cheat/ hack ... but that´s another story). We are hunters and gathers, mighty conquerors we want to beat/ outsmart/ punish enemy (computer, player) - like Conan´s: What is best in life? To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women.
This game is different. It is like Swedish table. You pick what you want - chef don´t try (mostly ) to confuse you. So you have freedom. And rewards are different too: piece of information, nice picture or animation, clue, interesting story twist, witty dialogue ... - i think creator rewards our imagination - curiosity (what if ?) more than our ego.
So first things first - one (not so) simple question:
Is it going to be fun ?
Damn Yes, but ... (kill me there is but )
YES
There are (for) me three layers of gameplay:
* detective story
In every paradise is venomous snake - there is whole nest
This one is most tricky one - there are so many motives, hidden agendas, personal character goals that average writer will write 5 book space opera series ... I like that even characters who looks like their motives are clear want to manipulate, use you - they are not passive .... lovely
We are somewhere in the middle of story so hard to say where it will lead (and that´s great).
I ´m not sure how will creator handle all these clues - will we have opportunity to use them, make good/bad/questionable choices and actions and deal (die ? ) with consequences ?
* romancing walker
I love them all - Nottravis has created unique characters. They are like flawed gems - realistic, interesting - i can imagine them as whole people.
* engineer
For me least interesting part - but maybe it will lead to interesting things.
Btw with all those aliens, mens/womens, villains (hot/mysterious/vicious) is this really mission for mundane engineer ? Someone like captain Jack Harkness is man for this work, or not ?
BUT
This is problem of every game (for example Alpha protocol) that is really non-linear (authors don´t kill you when you go two steps another direction) - narrative looks sometimes unfocused. With so many choices and consequences author reacts to your actions and sometimes things have less emotional impact than when your story is straight as arrow.
Second thing is gameplay on a map screen - you do something (not so important) and suddenly there is evening. Maybe this is where realism has gone too far. I had always feeling that i missed something important (did i missed ? - i´m not sure). Maybe something like timer on screen and highlight important meetings will make game more clear.
CONCLUSION
When i see insane amount of effort, love and time that Nottravis invested into this game i can´t say anything bad. It is unique and better than 99% of games on this forum. It can be even better (after some polishing and balancing)
87%
PS: I hope i´m not Thea Lundgren .... you never know ...
.Sometimes it is hard (even for me) to change paradigm - we play games for win (some people even pay for win = cheat/ hack ... but that´s another story). We are hunters and gathers, mighty conquerors we want to beat/ outsmart/ punish enemy (computer, player) - like Conan´s: What is best in life? To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women.
This game is different. It is like Swedish table. You pick what you want - chef don´t try (mostly
) to confuse you. So you have freedom. And rewards are different too: piece of information, nice picture or animation, clue, interesting story twist, witty dialogue ... - i think creator rewards our imagination - curiosity (what if ?) more than our ego.So first things first - one (not so) simple question:
Is it going to be fun ?
Damn Yes, but ... (kill me there is but
)YES
There are (for) me three layers of gameplay:
* detective story
In every paradise is venomous snake - there is whole nest
This one is most tricky one - there are so many motives, hidden agendas, personal character goals that average writer will write 5 book space opera series ... I like that even characters who looks like their motives are clear want to manipulate, use you - they are not passive ....
lovelyWe are somewhere in the middle of story so hard to say where it will lead (and that´s great).
I ´m not sure how will creator handle all these clues - will we have opportunity to use them, make good/bad/questionable choices and actions and deal (die ?
) with consequences ?* romancing walker
I love them all - Nottravis has created unique characters. They are like flawed gems - realistic, interesting - i can imagine them as whole people.
* engineer
For me least interesting part - but maybe it will lead to interesting things.
Btw with all those aliens, mens/womens, villains (hot/mysterious/vicious) is this really mission for mundane engineer ? Someone like captain Jack Harkness is man for this work, or not ?
BUT
This is problem of every game (for example Alpha protocol) that is really non-linear (authors don´t kill you when you go two steps another direction) - narrative looks sometimes unfocused. With so many choices and consequences author reacts to your actions and sometimes things have less emotional impact than when your story is straight as arrow.
Second thing is gameplay on a map screen - you do something (not so important) and suddenly there is evening. Maybe this is where realism has gone too far. I had always feeling that i missed something important (did i missed ? - i´m not sure). Maybe something like timer on screen and highlight important meetings will make game more clear.
CONCLUSION
When i see insane amount of effort, love and time that Nottravis invested into this game i can´t say anything bad. It is unique and better than 99% of games on this forum. It can be even better (after some polishing and balancing)
87%
PS: I hope i´m not Thea Lundgren .... you never know ...
- Jun 10, 2017
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Most argued review I've read since long. Too bad it's precisely not a review.I have just finished new content, now i will wait a week and try another route(s) and waifus
- Jun 10, 2017
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Oh, we will surely die if we don't use them correctly. We can already die twice in the game, and I don't see Notty stopping this ; in fact I perfectly picture her doing the opposite.I ´m not sure how will creator handle all these clues - will we have opportunity to use them, make good/bad/questionable choices and actions and deal (die ?
But for the opportunity to use them, I'm not sure that all will be effectively usable ; at least, directly usable in game. I mean by this that many clues seem to be here more to feed our thoughts, and possibly also our paranoia, that to effectively open possibilities.
At one point we will be glad to know about this or that, because it will make our decision easier. But there I doubt that there will be some kind of "you've found this, so you can make this choice" mechanism. It's clear from the start, that Notty wrote his game in such way that everything rely on our own shoulders. She provide the information and the choices, and we provide the brain that will proceed the information, and therefore make the right choice.
While the story isn't effectively a thriller, it still share common point with this genre.
Everything starts, for the MC, like an annoying mission. Yet a strange one, who put the future of a station between the hands of an engineer ? But we haven't even put a foot on Ophion, that things already start to be more complicated, with the strange behavior of the Vanguard AI and the near crash landing.
Until this chapter 4, we could put than on the count of the hurry in which the ship was prepared ; after all, Annie found a reasonable cause to the issue. But in this chapter Sarah was clear, so far if the Vanguard quit the station, it will be destroyed... And while there's possibly a material reason behind this, difficult to imagine that it's just because the Vanguard wasn't initially planed for this mission. This would mean that the cause is obvious enough to have been found, therefore with a now three days long investigation, Annie would have solved the issue.
Add to this the suspicious behavior of Marcus and Mike regarding the freezer, the interesting books in Amanda's office, and many other small, almost insignificant, things. Like by example the mysterious ammo clip on a station where no one wear arms, and with a sealed armory, or the two other objects that disappeared (three if you include the suspicious pad with what looks like a bullet hole).
Everything is here to raise the tension and let the players (at least the ones who take the time to appreciate the game) wonder in what vipers nest he put his feet.
I would say, looking at the guys around there, that this game target both of our brain. What make it, at least from my point of view, interesting.
All this being said, she can't do it herself because, for many reasons, she don't come here anymore, but someone having informed her about your post, Notty asked to pass you her thanks for what you wrote and the interest you clearly have for her game and story.
- May 15, 2017
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I think Chris's domme route should say something unique if you deal or edge while looking at your "Kelly" if the bet was made. Would be interesting.
Just wondering. Since the patch is out for a while now, will the walkthrough be getting an update soon?