Ren'Py Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

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[Idontplay]

I think you just described what your character can be on some paths, rather than Chris. I'd argue she is a respected leader among her crew. It can be seen really well in her dynamics with Annie, who's like the least likely to respect anyone.

I have a character with a path?
Actually I should have to replay the entire game, to understand how I would play my character. For now I have find out it is one of those game I want play for the story, even if there isn't any woman able to spark my fantasies: Chris seems one of those bullies I have always loved to crash, the blonde reminds me certain RPG players I had to see in the past (very skilled in their job but also totally dumb in their personal life), the engineer isn't my kind of beauty; only the black woman (Trisha?) seems sexually interesting to me.

P.S. Don't tell to Nottravis I have said that: I don't think she would appreciate.

I didn't say Chris was acting sensibly. She may be trying to compensate for her (internal) weakness, the story is not over yet.
I mentioned wolves earlier. Not the alpha male is the biggest, strongest, or fastest. But he’s the smartest, the best organizer, with his leadership the pack gets more prey.
The alpha female, on the other hand, has to fight all the time. She beats the whole pack to win and keep her position. We have two trips with Chris, submission or romance. If we are alpha males, the alpha female wants to get our attention and does not tolerate competitors. If we surrender, she wants to strengthen her dominance. (We can only have sex if she allow it.)

I apologize: I wasn't put something in your mouth; I would never. I used your words like a starting point to express my thoughts.

 

[NeimadFR]

I have a character with a path?
Actually I should have to replay the entire game, to understand how I would play my character. For now I have find out it is one of those game I want play for the story, even if there isn't any woman able to spark my fantasies: Chris seems one of those bullies I have always loved to crash, the blonde is dumb like a stone, the engineer isn't my kind of beauty; only the black woman (Trisha?) seems sexually interesting to me.

P.S. Don't tell to Nottravis I have said that: I don't think she would appreciate.


I apologize: I wasn't put something in your mouth; I would never. I used your words like a starting point to express my thoughts.

If you really think Sarah is dumb as a stone I'm afraid you haven't been paying attention

 

[frap]

If you really think Sarah is dumb as a stone I'm afraid you haven't been paying attention

Yeah, she hacks her TV to get the data from the buffer, she hacks her game to release a possibly self-aware AI, she understands immediately what Walker was doing with the hammer and the Ophions, and if you ask her what she thinks about your orders, she includes a myriad of related things that could/should color your decision. Do you really think she doesn't know just how lewd what she's saying sounds?

 

[Idontplay]

If you really think Sarah is dumb as a stone I'm afraid you haven't been paying attention

Like I have written in my (edited) post, she reminds me certain RPG players I had to see in the past, who were very skilled in their job but also totally dumb in their personal life. Well not exactly, she seems some sort of mix among the kind of people I have just described, and those (for me unbearable) girls who love to pretend to act like a naive person, but actually they are professional cockteases.
Am I making the things worse, is it?

 

[NeimadFR]

Like I have written in my (edited) post, she reminds me certain RPG players I had to see in the past, who were very skilled in their job but also totally dumb in their personal life. Well not exactly, she seems some sort of mix among the kind of people I have just described, and those (for me unbearable) girls who love to pretend to act like a naive person, but actually they are professional cockteases.
Am I making the things worse, is it?

You're not making it wrong at all. It tells me you actually paid attention. I see her as a highly intelligent person who play dumb to lower people's expectations and maybe even manipulate them.

 

[Hullahopp]

I apologize: I wasn't put something in your mouth; I would never. I used your words like a starting point to express my thoughts.

Please? Nothing problems, i didn't accuse you of anything. Sorry, english is not my primary language, sometimes I communicate poorly.

 

[Idontplay]

I didn't know how to start the sentence, so I used the verb to apologize.

You're not making it wrong at all. It tells me you actually paid attention. I see her as a highly intelligent person who play dumb to lower people's expectations and maybe even manipulate them.

It was a failed joke (due to the absence of the proper emoticon), about the fact that Nottravis is creating a porn game in which there isn't any character I consider sexually interesting.

 

[TheDevian]

I would add the fact she doesn't have issue when she try to cheat her husband, but she doesn't like if her husband cheating her; on a second thought this is a perfectly common behaviour.

EDIT: Maybe I'm wrong, but at the start of the game it was stated she doesn't like her husband cheating on her, but then she act like they were an open couple.

To be fair to her, her husband cheated on her, she split up with him, and then started to sleep with women (not men), but isn't grating him the divorce out of spite.

 

[Nulldev]

Sarah is...

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[frap]

Sarah is...

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What's my incept date?!

 

[DogzBallz]

With Chris I'd say it's important to understand the military mindset.

If you're refering to Annie (on whom Chris doesn't hit at all), fraternization between officers (such as Chris or the MC) and lower ranks (such as Annie) is forbidden.


That's because she wouldn't order the main cargo they're transporting (i.e. the MC) to risk his life doing something he isn't trained to do. So she either lets the MC decide or not if she doesn't have a very high opinion of him.


You may need to look more deeper into her patterns. They are there, but she is not an easy character to read. It's part of her personality.

Seems pretty thin, regardless she could have an extremely complex set of beliefs and motivations, but if they are not evident they may as well not exist. I also consider risking the lives of the entire crew including the MC based on her ego, doesn't seem like the behaviour of someone in command.

 

[DogzBallz]

If you really think Sarah is dumb as a stone I'm afraid you haven't been paying attention

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[tontoman]

Will the game pay off the spanking teases it gives? For examples, if you go the Sarah route (I think), they teased you spanking her. Another example is where you dare Ann to give you a spanking in the female route. And the last one I can think of is when Chris threatens to spank Ann one day. Lol

Nooooo?!.... doesn't feel that way. But wasn't the Ann one done after the pool game? It looked like it from the pictures, although the MC doing the spanking. Never got there myself as couldn't trigger the path, so don't know the context of the pictures I saw. Walkthrough didn't go there as there was potential bugs with triggers and never got around to trying again.

Pity as I was looking forward to that scene and seeing if I could flip Ann to bat for the opposite team (or both heh).

 

[Oddball2k]

Seems pretty thin, regardless she could have an extremely complex set of beliefs and motivations, but if they are not evident they may as well not exist.

It seems like your choices in your path didn't let you having more constructive interactions with Chris and to really understand what Akamari said by "You may need to look more deeper into her patterns. They are there, but she is not an easy character to read. It's part of her personality."

I also consider risking the lives of the entire crew including the MC based on her ego, doesn't seem like the behaviour of someone in command.

Hmm, risking the lives of the entire crew?
They were already at stake, the Vannie was already a space brick on its own momentum to hit the Ophion's atmosphere.. Only attitude control engines, life support and short range comms were still in function.

Landing was clearly the only option, and Chris even gave the male MC the opportunity to fix the slightly opened air brake.. Even if she thought she could handle the atmospheric entry and minimize the air brake's surrounding airflow.
She is an experienced and skilled pilot, after all.

To me, it's the behaviour of someone in command, nothing to do with a twisted ego.

 

[DogzBallz]

It seems like your choices in your path didn't let you having more constructive interactions with Chris and to really understand what Akamari said by "You may need to look more deeper into her patterns. They are there, but she is not an easy character to read. It's part of her personality."


Hmm, risking the lives of the entire crew?
They were already at stake, the Vannie was already a space brick on its own momentum to hit the Ophion's atmosphere.. Only attitude control engines, life support and short range comms were still in function.

Landing was clearly the only option, and Chris even gave the male MC the opportunity to fix the slightly opened air brake.. Even if she thought she could handle the atmospheric entry and minimize the air brake's surrounding airflow.
She is an experienced and skilled pilot, after all.

To me, it's the behaviour of someone in command, nothing to do with a twisted ego.

I was originally responding to Hullahopp, who was making the observation that Chris is very unpopular. I gave my opinion that I believe she is unpopular as her characters motivations are difficult to understand, her actions seem to be contradictory from scene to scene. Maybe I am missing something. Could you explain her drive / beliefs? I can't work them out and I've just spent the last two weeks studying character development.

 

[Akamari]

To be fair to her, her husband cheated on her, she split up with him, and then started to sleep with women (not men), but isn't grating him the divorce out of spite.

If you believe all the rumors that is...

 

[Akamari]

Seems pretty thin, regardless she could have an extremely complex set of beliefs and motivations, but if they are not evident they may as well not exist.

I'd say getting to know them is part of the fun. If everything about a major character was evident by 1/3 of the story then it's not a very interesting character. There's more than meets the eye to every character in this game. Still a long way to go before the story is told.

Also a lot of details that can shed light on some of the character's motivations are hidden (often in plain view) across many different paths. And they are sometimes very subtle...

I also consider risking the lives of the entire crew including the MC based on her ego, doesn't seem like the behaviour of someone in command.

If she had a crewmember who could wear the suit and go close the airbreak, I'm sure she'd order it. The MC is unqualified and not under her command. If he went out there and got himself killed it's a critical mission failure and her responsibility. There's also a risk the MC would make things worse through some incompetent action.

So, it's not really about ego not to choose to rely on someone unproven whose safe transport you are meant to ensure when you have other options and confidence in yourself and your crew.

Out of curiosity, what would you do in her shoes?

 

[TheDevian]

If you believe all the rumors that is...

Well, I will admit, it's not like I saw it on the news or anything... XD

 

[DogzBallz]

I'd say getting to know them is part of the fun. If everything about a major character was evident by 1/3 of the story then it's not a very interesting character. There's more than meets the eye to every character in this game. Still a long way to go before the story is told.

Also a lot of details that can shed light on some of the character's motivations are hidden (often in plain view) across many different paths. And they are sometimes very subtle...



If she had a crewmember who could wear the suit and go close the airbreak, I'm sure she'd order it. The MC is unqualified and not under her command. If he went out there and got himself killed it's a critical mission failure and her responsibility. There's also a risk the MC would make things worse through some incompetent action.

So, it's not really about ego not to choose to rely on someone unproven whose safe transport you are meant to ensure when you have other options and confidence in yourself and your crew.

Out of curiosity, what would you do in her shoes?

I already understand you as a character far more than Chris. You viewpoint seems pretty consistent. I can understand your position and to some degree your motivation. Regardless of weather I agree with you, I can accept your position. None of these things hold true for Chris as a character.

Instead of getting into a debate about commanding a space ship or the fundamentals of thermodynamics and stress strain curves of structural components. Maybe you can explain to me what Chris's motivations and beliefs are. I can't for the life of me work it out.

I find a character that creates cognitive dissonance is far less interesting than a basic character that is believable.