Ren'Py Abandoned Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

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I'm Not Thea Lundgren! said:
You're better off waiting for CH5 Remastered to be released, it has all five chapters remastered.
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WHAT?!! 'all five chapters remastered' . . .again!?! the first two chapters were just remastered!!
the last release/re-master was beautiful!! WHY? What's to gain? (except more delay...?)

Oh come on guys! you guys on the development team know what us poor waiting players don't.
Is there any chance this new 'five chapters release' (we've heard about for months) will happen at all?!

The last release was over six months ago. Honestly, Shouldn't this game be listed as 'abandoned'?
 
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professorx10 said:
WHAT?!! 'all five chapters remastered' . . .again!?! the first two chapters were just remastered!!
the last release/re-master was beautiful!! WHY? What's to gain? (except more delay...?)

Oh come on guys! you guys on the development team know what us poor waiting players don't.
Is there any chance this new 'five chapters release' (we've heard about for months) will happen at all?!

The last release was over six months ago. Honestly, Shouldn't this game be listed as 'abandoned'?
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Jerry - and I am only saying this because I care - there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.
 
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evileeyore said:
Begining to think some of the 'detractors' in here are just upset a better, more polished, better written game is coming and are trying to tear eyes away from the thread before it drops and sidelines their work...
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I mean, I get impatience. I'm personally not of the opinion that all the decisions I've seen Notty make recently are really worth the candle, but again those are just my opinions. And after making a roadmap last fall, the production abandoned that roadmap both for technical reasons and to add other elements which may make the game better but have also delayed things to a rather great extent.

All that said, Notty's got a good game on her hands for real, and has also acted very responsibly as an entrepreneur regarding her Patreons, so I just sort of roll my eyes at people who seem personally affronted or upset by the lack of timely releases. There are other games I follow whose authors have basically scrapped their whole story to remake it more or less from whole-cloth, and have done so without doing the right thing in pausing charging while they get their shit together. I don't back those people, but I'm still backing H5, and not regretting it.
 
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I mean, I get impatience. I'm personally not of the opinion that all the decisions I've seen Notty make recently are really worth the candle, but again those are just my opinions. And after making a roadmap last fall, the production abandoned that roadmap both for technical reasons and to add other elements which may make the game better but have also delayed things to a rather great extent.

All that said, Notty's got a good game on her hands for real, and has also acted very responsibly as an entrepreneur regarding her Patreons, so I just sort of roll my eyes at people who seem personally affronted or upset by the lack of timely releases. There are other games I follow whose authors have basically scrapped their whole story to remake it more or less from whole-cloth, and have done so without doing the right thing in pausing charging while they get their shit together. I don't back those people, but I'm still backing H5, and not regretting it.
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I don't think people understand just how many hats a game developer needs to wear. Writing a good story alone is a huge lift - requiring not just compelling characters but an interesting overall story. The pornographic writing is another skillset, the coding and rendering are completely different jobs. As is project management. To say nothing of marketing, budgeting, engaging vendors (such as voice actors), etc.

These are small businesses, and the dev is responsible for absolutely every function within it. If everything on the game is great, but the project management part of that massive lift is not perfect, maybe cut the dev some slack. Notty is definitely a bit of a perfectionist, and the game was fantastic even without the re-remaster - but I would rather have someone who is skilled at all of the pieces that affect the quality of the final game than someone who is an excellent project manager but weak in writing.
 
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camube said:
so as a new player, which one should i download?

ch.2RS or Ch.4 Remastered?
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game is going through remasters remaster :geek: .

ch.2RS is first two chapters remasters remastered so they are most up to date. Ch.4 Remastered contains much more content but its getting remastered.


work on chapter 5 is almost finished so we will be getting ch.3RS ch.4RS ch5 together soon.
i would personally recommend playing ch.2RS or waiting for ch3 , 4, 5 updates.
if you really cant wait you can also play Ch.4 Remastered but saves wont be compatible and you will forced to replay game when ch 5 comes out.
 
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How many chapters have been remastered so far? I've only been able to find up to Ch. 4 of the remastered version.
 
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Kaioshin said:
How many chapters have been remastered so far? I've only been able to find up to Ch. 4 of the remastered version.
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there are 4 remastered chapters but they are also getting remastered so now we have only first 2 chapters up do date. good new is that remaster of chapter 3 and 4 should be already finished and new chapter 5 is almost finished. we will most likely get these next 3 chapters very close to one another if not in on next release
 
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maroder said:
there are 4 remastered chapters but they are also getting remastered so now we have only first 2 chapters up do date. good new is that remaster of chapter 3 and 4 should be already finished and new chapter 5 is almost finished. we will most likely get these next 3 chapters very close to one another if not in on next release
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Question: What's your definition of remaster(ed) for an AVN game?
 
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Oddball2k said:
Question: What's your definition of remaster(ed) for an AVN game?
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If it hasn't even had a final release... how can it have any "remasters", it's just updates to a pre-alpha/beta release...

Yeah, yeah I know. AVNs and 'chapter based' games like Telltale's games are different... but I still stand by it. For instance had Blizzard released a remaster of Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty (originally released in 2010) on the heels of Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm (2013), because of "three years of graphical development upgrades", and then a remaster of Heart of the Swarm right before Legacy of the Void (2015), I'd have been screaming "BULLSHIT!" at them from the highest mountain.*

Yes, I know Blizzard claims those are "three separate games"... fuck Blizzard. It's one game split three ways so they can charge full AAA pricing three times.

Again, I know, apples and oranges for a lot of reasons, but it still feels like Notty is polishing a beta release (twice now) rather than any sort of "actual remastering"... if my pedestrian "feelings" on it make any sense at all.


* As it was I screaming "BULLSHIT!" at them from the highest mountain over Blizzard's decision to make all their games "always online". I haven't played anything from Blizzard since that decision was made.
 
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Well, each new AVN's chapter or update is basically defined by the number of its new renders and their visual quality.
With that in mind, when a Dev makes a remaster of a previous chapter(after another), it means a significant increase in that number or in visual quality or both, imho.
That's exactly what happened to HeavyFive in January 2020 with Chapter-1R and up to Chapter-3R.. It made the previous version look like a demo.
The R suffix remained for Chapter-4R even if it was completely new at that time to avoid any confusion.. Chapter-4R included all the previous chapters after all.

So, what's about the new RS chapters, one and two at this instant?
The RS suffix means Rebuilt and refreShed, imho.
Rebuilt and refreshed with the new polished GUI, a new PDA UI with new and more refined intel and also introducing text message with characters and a more exhaustive achievements panel per chapters(active path and also overall), new animations(with VA for the lewds ones), new tweaks for some gameplay, new refreshed writings, new ambient sounds, etc..

No significant increase in render's number or visual quality even if they have been converted to webp, and a few renders were redone tho.. The length and visual quality of the animations is completely something else, also.
The RS version can't be considered as another remaster version, imho.

And the old saves from Chapter-4R should still be compatible with the new incoming Chapter-5(RS), anyone of them prior to Becca's debriefing...

All this work on Chapter-1RS through -4RS has been made with her Patreon on pause, I should point out.
 
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CourtGhost said:
Wasn't this suppose to be updated in the beginning of the year?
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I see you're a new member. To answer your question, yes it was.

It was supposed to have a new release of December last year, but then had a 'slight temporary delay' and would be updated in late January or early February. The last release was last August I believe.

After reading the latest patreon post provided by I'm Not Thea Lundgren! ,(to whom I am grateful) it appears the Dev continues to 'run into difficulties' and have issues with the game and has spent time reviewing AI and other things.

As a long time admirer of what little the Dev's produced (very high quality but barely starting the story and multiple
rewrites and 're-masters') I observe the Dev has an extreme difficulty with 'letting go' of any updates to the game, to the frustration of many here.

IMHO, do not expect an update any time soon, not prior to October, optimistically. Pessimistically, December or later.
 
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