Ren'Py Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[Amanwholive]

Well then to directly answer your question:

I have nearly unlimited patience for creative people who are putting in a lot of work to create media that I like in their free time and with their own resources.

I have very little patience for people who are contributing nothing but like to crap all over those who are.

That is not directed at you specifically here, just in general for the many people in this thread and others who think being able to freely download someone else's work makes them entitled to constantly whine about devs for not producing fast enough whenever anyone mentions news on the project, or who are somehow pleased with themselves for pointing out delays that everyone is already well aware of if they are subscribed to this thread.

Well, if you think so then you need to understand that people, with time, will lose interest in the game, she already knows that she is taking too much time so if you add being less and less people around here (f95, forums, discord, whatever...) and more inactivity in general, to her personal frustration, it will take the game to this point we are now (frustration).

My prediction is that it will never be completed, but not because it will be abandoned no, just because there will always be something that could be better than before so she will work in a loop until something make her change in the future. (Hell, I am still waiting for a post saying that she will animate the entire game, that would be funny)

 

[JoshuaTree89]

Well, if you think so then you need to understand that (...)

I'm don't really get why some people feel that others need to understand their predicted model of people getting frustrated and blah blah blah. Like, honestly, even if you're right, why do folks "need to understand that?" Your opinions and predictions aren't that vital, dude.

My prediction is that (...)

The hilarious thing is that this post comes in response to another poster who explained, lucidly why they (and others who're waiting patiently for the game) dgaf about other peoples' doomerism. They also specifically said they weren't calling you out in particular, but of course you had to then make exactly the type of post JSimon was talking about. And, sorry to be the one to tell you friendo, but regarding your "prediction?" Right or wrong,


But thanks for sharing!

 

[bertaheinrichkurt]

Wow buddy, I just asked a question cause I thought even people like him (and you, now) have some kind of limit on their patience.

As far as I am concerned: its not like I am standing in a queue an can't be somewhere else during the wait. And what would happen when my patience reaches the limit? Refusing to play the game when the next chapter is released? Would that be relevant?

In my opinion "loosing patience" means that I am waiting on something I am entitled to have. But I don't have the feeling I am entitled to anything here, notty is not obliged to spent her time devloping a game for me. So my patience here is unlimited, if it gets released I am happy, if not its sad and thats it.

 

[Amanwholive]

I'm don't really get why some people feel that others need to understand their predicted model of people getting frustrated and blah blah blah. Like, honestly, even if you're right, why do folks "need to understand that?" Your opinions and predictions aren't that vital, dude.



The hilarious thing is that this post comes in response to another poster who explained, lucidly why they (and others who're waiting patiently for the game) dgaf about other peoples' doomerism. They also specifically said they weren't calling you out in particular, but of course you had to then make exactly the type of post JSimon was talking about. And, sorry to be the one to tell you friendo, but regarding your "prediction?" Right or wrong,
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But thanks for sharing!

My opinion and predictions stopped being so long time along, now they are facts that people here dont want to accept.

Oh, and maybe I wrote that kind of prediction, hear me out, maybe... because this forum offer me the option to say what I want if its in their rules? Just like you telling me that no one cares about it, free speech is amazing dude.

As far as I am concerned: its not like I am standing in a queue an can't be somewhere else during the wait. And what would happen when my patience reaches the limit? Refusing to play the game when the next chapter is released? Would that be relevant?



In my opinion "loosing patience" means that I am waiting on something I am entitled to have. But I don't have the feeling I am entitled to anything here, notty is not obliged to spent her time devloping a game for me. So my patience here is unlimited, if it gets released I am happy, if not its sad and thats it.

If you dont like it, you could talk to her personally if you are a patreon or on her forum that I think its free, idk.

Maybe you should know that she already charges a few months this year, so she isnt working for free, and you still think she is not obliged to spent her time on it? This behavior is exactly why this game is taking so long...

 

[NeimadFR]

Oh, and maybe I wrote that kind of prediction, hear me out, maybe... because this forum offer me the option to say what I want if its in their rules? Just like you telling me that no one cares about it, free speech is amazing dude.

Funny that you mention the rules. Let's look at rule 2.7 " Avoid excessive discussion about development. Talking about developers is fine, but derailing the game discussion with multiple pages of the same arguments concerning development speed, delays, pricing, etc is not "

 

[Amanwholive]

Funny that you mention the rules. Let's look at rule 2.7 " Avoid excessive discussion about development. Talking about developers is fine, but derailing the game discussion with multiple pages of the same arguments concerning development speed, delays, pricing, etc is not "

Fine, then let this discussion end here and go back to the dead status this thread was before.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Perhaps that there's peoples who loose patience over the game, perhaps...

But then I'll call it a good thing. We can all witness what is happening, and the more time pass, the more those who still follow the thread are those who really love Notty's works and patiently, like the grown adult they are, wait for the next update.

After all the trolls the thread had in the past, it's refreshing.

 

[evileeyore]

Well then to directly answer your question:

Honourable attempt but it's a waste of time throwing answers to the trolls.

I'm don't really get why some people feel that others need to understand their predicted model of people getting frustrated and blah blah blah.

Validation. If they get acknowledged, even if it's to fight them, it's the attention they crave. At least for the honest trolls.

Some are devs in here crapping on another dev's work for whatever reason is motivating them.

 

[Amanwholive]

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Of course, we have a classic here on this thread:

If you dont worship Notty and whatever decision she makes, you are automatically a troll.

Basically a "either you are with me or against me" type of thinking.

I dont care about the attention of some random guys who defend their favorite porn artist from whatever critic review she takes, just like you dont care about the opinion of whoever isnt in your "White list".

And now one of you even include other devs as "trolls" like assuming they come here just cause they are jealous or something haha

 

[anne O'nymous]

Of course, we have a classic here on this thread:

Exactly, a classic. And anyone who haven't slept through all last two years know that it's not about being pro or con Notty, nor about what is said, but about how it is said...

Between evileeyore's post and yours, there were another one, that no one had complained about, and that yet was removed by the moderation, asking if there were still "brainless who follow that thread" ; his words, not mine.
And what about the other guy who past three months, between February and April 2023, circle jerking between "you all want to fuck her" and "she's milking you", passing from one to the other each time he was making a new post, so around 10 times a day ; yes, during three months, and despite being hit by the moderation more than once during that period.
It's not the worse game thread, but there's not really doubt that it, alas, stand on the top ten in number of members perma thread banned.

No, really, it have never been a question of choice between being pro or con Notty, but between being respectful or not. For around two years, there were not a month without the thread loosing at least 2 pages, therefore 40 posts, when not more, due to the moderation stepping in, mostly by itself, to remove clearly offensive, not to the game but to the dev and players, content ; when it wasn't explicit insults.

And now one of you even include other devs as "trolls" like assuming they come here just cause they are jealous or something haha

Well, I'll not give name, because dev bashing is against the rules, even when it's not the dev's game thread, but for at least one, yes he came here and acted as a pure troll. I don't know, and don't care what his motive was, like I don't care if you believe me or not, it's just a fact.

 

[Hullahopp]

My opinion and predictions stopped being so long time along, now they are facts that people here dont want to accept.

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OK so far?

"My prediction is that it will never be completed..."

I quoted this from you. Well, this prediction cannot be treated as a FACT unless you can prove that you are a time traveller and from the future. Then you wonder why no one takes you seriously and thinks you're a troll.

 

[evileeyore]

Then you wonder why no one takes you seriously and thinks you're a troll.

In my case it's because after ten months of negative posts and attempts to dissuade others to stop following the game it leaves little room for any other motivations than "is a troll".

 

[Joshy92]

I don't care how long I have to wait to see more of my future wife Chris. What a goddess she is.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I don't care how long I have to wait to see more of my future wife Chris.

All right, I have to step in, because there's things that really shouldn't be done, and this is one of them...

Chris is my future wife !

We already agree that she'll keep her name, just adding mine. Christine Chadwick-O'nymous, isn't it a marvelous name for a marvelous woman ?

 

[evileeyore]

I don't care how long I have to wait to see more of my future wife Chris. What a goddess she is.

/record scratch

JOSHY! What about Emma! You better hope Suzi doesn't find out you're already planning to cheat on her sister!

 

[Edelvays]

So how do I play this? First the main game then* ch.4 remastered, or what?

 

[XaGnard]

So how do I play this? First the main game then* ch.4 remastered, or what?

I would wait at least 3-5 years. Then the game will either be officially cancelled or ...maybe, unlikely, very unlikely, this developer wakes up from his long-term sleep and ...

No , to be honest, it's time to realise that this game is as good as dead. The content up to now is basically an introduction to the story without anything really happening. A few years ago it was promising, now it's just sad to see.

 

[JSimon8668]

So how do I play this? First the main game then* ch.4 remastered, or what?

The remastered chapters 1-5 are currently in full scale testing, and expected to be released pretty soon. Best bet is to put it on your alert list and wait patiently for the next release.

Just to make sure you know what you are in for: the dev is a bit of a perfectionist, and the releases have historically taken longer than expected, including remastering an already great game - but the game is very good and worth keeping an eye on.

Despite what trolls are saying, the dev is very clearly still working on this game, the last Patreon post noting progress was about 2 weeks ago. So if you are one of those people who is incredibly impatient and feels like the dev owes you a release according to your schedule you might want to pass on this one. The rest of us just check in every once in a while to see how it is going.

 

[XaGnard]

The remastered chapters 1-5 are currently in full scale testing, and expected to be released pretty soon. ...

I've been hearing this for months.

If you go by the developer's posts, somehow everything is always finished "pretty soon" and it just takes a little longer. Then at some point he says, sorry everybody, I've decided to rework something again. But it will only be a bit more time ...

If you want to believe it, believe it. I will rely on the facts in the form of actually published updates instead of promises. Which means that despite all the work that has supposedly been done, not a single update has been completed for almost a year now.

... Just to make sure you know what you are in for: the dev is a bit of a perfectionist, and the releases have historically taken longer than expected, including remastering an already great game - but the game is very good and worth keeping an eye on. ...

Ultimately, this is the same strategy that I am pursuing. Every few months I check in, and oh wonder, again no update to be found. Nobody is saying that this game is bad, at least not me, but what's the point of a game that doesn't make it past the beginning of the story because the developer is stuck in an endless improvement loop due to perfectionism?

... Despite what trolls are saying, the dev is very clearly still working on this game, the last Patreon post noting progress was about 2 weeks ago. So if you are one of those people who is incredibly impatient and feels like the dev owes you a release according to your schedule you might want to pass on this one. ...

Long stories on patreon about failed attempts to make AI work on the story are no proof that anything is going forward with the game. Progress can only be checked with actual updates. I at least no longer believe that something will actually be released again, and see the whole discussion here more as fun to talk about one more most likely failed project.

 

[evileeyore]

If you go by the developer's posts, somehow everything is always finished "pretty soon" ...

False. If you go by Notty's posts you find out how long particular parts of development have taken, but Notty stopped giving estimates because every time they did something happened that interrupted development, like being hospitalized, or their perfectionism set themselves back to square one.

As said, chapter 1-5 are in bug testing and then need to be compressed (after all bugs found are dealt with). So, yeah, by my estimate, maybe a month, two if there's an outrageous "OMG that was such a bug" occurrence.