Ren'Py Abandoned Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[Nottravis]

There's another problem with combining two different cards for iRay rendering: the graphical memory of the two cards is not combined, but gets *capped* at the memory size of the smallest card. So, let's say, Notty gets an RTX 2070 with 8GB, and adds her old GTX 960 with 2GB to the rig, then that effectively limits the size of the scenes she can render to only 2GB.

Larger scenes (very easy to get a scene over 2GB, just include 2 characters, some props and a bit of complex lighting, and you're over that amount) will then revert to CPU rendering, which will take days (seriously, days!) to get to the quality Notty currently produces. Daz won't automatically ignore the smaller GPU for larger scenes.

For scenes smaller than 2GB, she'd maybe gain a 20% increase in render speed, but those scenes already render relatively fast, so the gain would be 16 minutes to render instead of 20. It already takes longer to set up a scene in the first place, so that gain is really marginal, might as well stick with the 20 minute render and use the 20 minutes to grab a coffee.

A GTX 1060 (either 6GB or 3GB) and an RTX 2070 are already a bit closer in memory size, and more scenes would already fit into the 3GB version. The gain in renderspeed is also already a bit bigger again, as the 1060 has (depending on model again) 10-20% more CUDA cores.

Overall, combining a suitable high-memory card with a low-memory card is like throwing away half the card. Especially if the old card was already restricting your work, then it's generally not a good idea to combine it with the new card for rendering. Maybe disable it for rendering, and using the old card purely as your display driver works out (there is an option in Daz to manually disable a card for rendering). It'll require some fiddling with some settings in your OS and connecting the monitor to the old card instead of the new card, but it's possible.

On the card situ, Dripping nails it. I'll post up the PC specs I have tomorrow so you can have a good laugh

But this was why I was hoping to hold on for a bit to make a big leap rather than go interim. However, Four has been a bitch to render if only due to the time it takes to do good renders for the naughty scenes. You can, for example, get by with being a little bit casual with regards to a lot of the walky talky stuff. By casual I don't mean not taking care - I don't mean that at all. But they tend to be easy to pose and the threshold for what is a quality level is perhaps slightly broader.

On the naughties you just can't do that. Everything not only has to be precise but has to look fantastic - else what is the point? So a walky talky might take me 30 mins to render if I've set it up carefully, maybe an hour if it's complex. But the naughties were taking around two hours on average to pop out.

But I digress. Dripping is right. If I go bigger on a card it will need it's own standalone set up sadly.

 

[Akamari]

But I digress. Dripping is right. If I go bigger on a card it will need it's own standalone set up sadly.

Yep, he is. I should have checked the facts first rather than rely on my memory (that forgot the memory limitation of all things).

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

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That is great. Loved the details on the wall and the metallic gray floor.

 

[TheDevian]

There's another problem with combining two different cards for iRay rendering: the graphical memory of the two cards is not combined, but gets *capped* at the memory size of the smallest card. So, let's say, Notty gets an RTX 2070 with 8GB, and adds her old GTX 960 with 2GB to the rig, then that effectively limits the size of the scenes she can render to only 2GB.

Larger scenes (very easy to get a scene over 2GB, just include 2 characters, some props and a bit of complex lighting, and you're over that amount) will then revert to CPU rendering, which will take days (seriously, days!) to get to the quality Notty currently produces. Daz won't automatically ignore the smaller GPU for larger scenes.

For scenes smaller than 2GB, she'd maybe gain a 20% increase in render speed, but those scenes already render relatively fast, so the gain would be 16 minutes to render instead of 20. It already takes longer to set up a scene in the first place, so that gain is really marginal, might as well stick with the 20 minute render and use the 20 minutes to grab a coffee.

A GTX 1060 (either 6GB or 3GB) and an RTX 2070 are already a bit closer in memory size, and more scenes would already fit into the 3GB version. The gain in renderspeed is also already a bit bigger again, as the 1060 has (depending on model again) 10-20% more CUDA cores.

Overall, combining a suitable high-memory card with a low-memory card is like throwing away half the card. Especially if the old card was already restricting your work, then it's generally not a good idea to combine it with the new card for rendering. Maybe disable it for rendering, and using the old card purely as your display driver works out (there is an option in Daz to manually disable a card for rendering). It'll require some fiddling with some settings in your OS and connecting the monitor to the old card instead of the new card, but it's possible.

I guess it is a good thing that I was hoping to get another similar one to what I have next time.
I do have an older one, I was considering using it for one screen, while the main one is on the main screen, but might not be worth it yet. For now, it's better to hold it for the send rig.

Close but more....

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So you're ...playing with the queen of hearts.
Knowing it ain't really smart...
The joker ain't the only fool,
...who'll do anything for you.

On the card situ, Dripping nails it. I'll post up the PC specs I have tomorrow so you can have a good laugh

But this was why I was hoping to hold on for a bit to make a big leap rather than go interim. However, Four has been a bitch to render if only due to the time it takes to do good renders for the naughty scenes. You can, for example, get by with being a little bit casual with regards to a lot of the walky talky stuff. By casual I don't mean not taking care - I don't mean that at all. But they tend to be easy to pose and the threshold for what is a quality level is perhaps slightly broader.

On the naughties you just can't do that. Everything not only has to be precise but has to look fantastic - else what is the point? So a walky talky might take me 30 mins to render if I've set it up carefully, maybe an hour if it's complex. But the naughties were taking around two hours on average to pop out.

But I digress. Dripping is right. If I go bigger on a card it will need it's own standalone set up sadly.

My thought process is to do it in stages, get the Motherboard, CPU, and RAM in the next upgrade when money allows, then get the new video card after that, at which point, you can start putting the old pieces together into a second rig.

...Well, in most cases, you could still do that without the new video card, as most mother boards have on board video, as long as you are not doing anything too taxing (writing, coding, chatting, etc.) then it should be fine.

 

[Avaron1974]

So you're ...playing with the queen of hearts.
Knowing it ain't really smart...
The joker ain't the only fool,
...who'll do anything for you.

I aint playing with the Queen of Hearts
My Majesty just likes to jam her tart
She keeps me chained in her royal tomb
While her fingers try to probe my womb

 

[Oddball2k]

I aint playing with the Queen of Hearts
My Majesty just likes to jam her tart
She keeps me chained in her royal tomb
While her fingers try to probe my womb

And here it is, you're not garbage at this as you said!

 

[Avaron1974]

And here it is, you're not garbage at this as you said!

I can do them when i'm just trying to be flirty in an amusing way but actual battles i'm not great at.

I'm great at off the cuff stuff and quick with but I will give Notty all the props in the world, she's a far better creative thinker and writer than I am.

The whole rap battle stuff and banter played for the long game she's got me hands down.

That's one of the reasons I love banter with her so much. She gives just as good, if not better, than she gets and I have to up my game to keep it going.

It needs to be funny or entertaining though. As long as someone is getting a giggle out of it it's awesome.

 

[Oddball2k]

And speaking of Royal Tomb (thanks Ava to remind me of this ), i want to add something to this statement referring to the "mine" render:

Underground base? Why would they need one with a mobile outpost? The mystery intensifies.

Well....not an underground base as such. But believe me when I tell you, you've already seen what it is Right in plain view. *totally plays fair*

Here are my clues and a new theory:

Spoiler: Warning, That's heavy duty!

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[RC-1138 Boss]

And speaking of Royal Tomb (thanks Ava to remind me this ), i want to add something to this statement referring to the "mine" render:

Here are my clues and a new theory:

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I did not noticed such pyramidal structure. When did this happened?

 

[Oddball2k]

I did not noticed such pyramidal structure. When did this happened?

End of CH1 and in CH3.

 

[TheDevian]

And speaking of Royal Tomb (thanks Ava to remind me of this ), i want to add something to this statement referring to the "mine" render:

Here are my clues and a new theory:

Spoiler: Warning, That's heavy duty!

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Pyramids?!?!? It must be the Aluminotty!!!

 

[Nottravis]

I guess it is a good thing that I was hoping to get another similar one to what I have next time.
I do have an older one, I was considering using it for one screen, while the main one is on the main screen, but might not be worth it yet. For now, it's better to hold it for the send rig.
So you're ...playing with the queen of hearts.
Knowing it ain't really smart...
The joker ain't the only fool,
...who'll do anything for you.

My thought process is to do it in stages, get the Motherboard, CPU, and RAM in the next upgrade when money allows, then get the new video card after that, at which point, you can start putting the old pieces together into a second rig.

...Well, in most cases, you could still do that without the new video card, as most mother boards have on board video, as long as you are not doing anything too taxing (writing, coding, chatting, etc.) then it should be fine.

I'd love to do it that way, but the card is a huge limiter. I need, as a back of an envelope calc, about 1,000 renders for Chapt 5...

So say a third easy ones at 30 mins, a third norm at an hour and a third naughties at two - I'm looking at approx 1,000 hours of rendering. So six weeks of pure pc running excluding set up etc. So I have to cross the "getting a card" bridge as that's just not feasible. Even a 20% improvement lops 200 hours off which is just staggering when you think of it.

....While her fingers try to probe my womb

Not my fault I have long fingers and you're on the small side...*does try to be careful!*

I'm great at off the cuff stuff and quick with but I will give Notty all the props in the world, she's a far better creative thinker and writer than I am.

That's one of the reasons I love banter with her so much. She gives just as good, if not better, than she gets and I have to up my game to keep it going.

It needs to be funny or entertaining though. As long as someone is getting a giggle out of it it's awesome.

Totes.

 

[TheDevian]

I'd love to do it that way, but the card is a huge limiter. I need, as a back of an envelope calc, about 1,000 renders for Chapt 5...

So say a third easy ones at 30 mins, a third norm at an hour and a third naughties at two - I'm looking at approx 1,000 hours of rendering. So six weeks of pure pc running excluding set up etc. So I have to cross the "getting a card" bridge as that's just not feasible. Even a 20% improvement lops 200 hours off which is just staggering when you think of it.

Yeah, while the faster parts will help, the video is the biggest factor. I mean, hell, if you can afford to get it all, then by all means, go for it, but I can rarely afford more than one or two parts at a time, so that limits the way I think about it.

 

[Nottravis]

Yeah, while the faster parts will help, the video is the biggest factor. I mean, hell, if you can afford to get it all, then by all means, go for it, but I can rarely afford more than one or two parts at a time, so that limits the way I think about it.

I'd be lying if I said what I could get is what I wanted. *has been looking things up* but as long as I try to make sure the mother board can expand sufficiently I wouldn't be wasting too much money by doing an interim upgrade *cross fingers*

 

[TheDevian]

I'd be lying if I said what I could get is what I wanted. *has been looking things up* but as long as I try to make sure the mother board can expand sufficiently I wouldn't be wasting too much money by doing an interim upgrade *cross fingers*

To be fair, I have almost never gotten what I wanted, best I can do is something that is good enough to get by.
Honestly, of the parts, the motherboard is one of the cheapest ones (unless you are getting some insanely powerful one), and the MB, CPU, RAM combo pales compared to a good video card. Even the RAM I want is about 4 times more than the motherboard I have. The most important thing about the motherboard is that it can handle the other equipment you want to put in it.

 

[Nottravis]

 

[Huitieme]

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I'm afraid we can only "react" once to a picture, so please, take these with you on the road:

 

[Nottravis]

I'm afraid we can only "react" once to a picture, so please, take these with you on the road:

*laughs*

 

[Akamari]

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So crowded!

Did Jolene have a bit of a makeover?

 

[Nottravis]

So crowded!

Did Jolene have a bit of a makeover?

Probs just the lighting I suspect