VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Sharpshooter890]

I’m not sure that I would call it a revolution anymore. Yvette and Astrid are at best reformists.

My thoughts exactly. They remind me of modern champaigne socialists - rich kids who never faced starvation, deprivation and so on, but think they can make meaningful change. They have zero in common with the people they try to 'free', they don't have the rage and hatred of the average worker slave. And that's something that is nessesary for a proper revolution.

The parallel with the Great French Revolution works best I think - good, well-educated people started it, but they quickly lost all control and many ended up as the victims of Robespierre and co. I know Astrid is safe, but I really hope to see the heads of the rest of all these well-meaning individuals on pikes during the new Reign of Terror.

Hopefully the world will descend into anarchy and a new generation of Juliette Karlssons will rise from the former slaves, and the cycle will go on until the world finally dies from starvation.

 

[DoverDad]

My thoughts exactly. They remind me of modern champaigne socialists - rich kids who never faced starvation, deprivation and so on, but think they can make meaningful change. They have zero in common with the people they try to 'free', they don't have the rage and hatred of the average worker slave. And that's something that is nessesary for a proper revolution.

The parallel with the Great French Revolution works best I think - good, well-educated people started it, but they quickly lost all control and many ended up as the victims of Robespierre and co. I know Astrid is safe, but I really hope to see the heads of the rest of all these well-meaning individuals on pikes during the new Reign of Terror.

Hopefully the world will descend into anarchy and a new generation of Juliette Karlssons will rise from the former slaves, and the cycle will go on until the world finally dies from starvation.

my Kane we rule term all with them on all fours ready to be taken anytime he wants. I oh just can't wait to be king

 

[Stan5851]

To be honest, despite our cautious skepticism (or, in my case, rather optimism), we still don't know anything about their(revolutionaries) true plan..But given what Tess has revealed today about Veronica Karlsson's identity (in the Q&A , Question 13), particularly about the likely scene in a future game where Astrid visits the museum, we can conclude that the revolution did succeed and the slaves were freed.

And similarly, given how massive and special a character Veronica is to Tess (In my entire giant lore of seven connected games in my head, Veronica Karlsson is a giant figure that impacts way beyond KG), I can make the assumption that the canon ending of KG for Tess herself (not for Doms or Subs) will quite possibly involve a revolution. And by the way, I wouldn't be so sure right now that sending people on the Ark (Island4) into Earth orbit (with the prospect of exploring other planets) is a separate endings.

It's quite possible that in the future Astrid and Yvette will manage to convince Veronica of the necessity of change, and this world after the revolution will be left to live out its allotted time, becoming more just, Veronica and Cole's projects will be successfully completed, the problem of hunger will be eliminated, but the trained colonists will still go in search of new inhabited planets, because the whole Earth will still not be able to return to the state it was in before the Great Collapse..

 

[BurgRoyce]

To be honest, despite our cautious skepticism (or, in my case, rather optimism), we still don't know anything about their(revolutionaries) true plan..But given what Tess has revealed today about Veronica Karlsson's identity (in the Q&A , Question 13), particularly about the likely scene in a future game where Astrid visits the museum, we can conclude that the revolution did succeed and the slaves were freed.

And similarly, given how massive and special a character Veronica is to Tess (In my entire giant lore of seven connected games in my head, Veronica Karlsson is a giant figure that impacts way beyond KG), I can make the assumption that the canon ending of KG for Tess herself (not for Doms or Subs) will quite possibly involve a revolution. And by the way, I wouldn't be so sure right now that sending people on the Ark (Island4) into Earth orbit (with the prospect of exploring other planets) is a separate endings.

It's quite possible that in the future Astrid and Yvette will manage to convince Veronica of the necessity of change, and this world after the revolution will be left to live out its allotted time, becoming more just, Veronica and Cole's projects will be successfully completed, the problem of hunger will be eliminated, but the trained colonists will still go in search of new inhabited planets, because the whole Earth will still not be able to return to the state it was in before the Great Collapse..

It seems fairly reasonable to me.

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[Stan5851]

It seems fairly reasonable to me.

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I'm afraid you're right..

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and then on top of Alexander's violence against her, there was this:

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...and we got an unbiased and withdrawn Snow Queen, a girl whose brightest childhood memory is a brief encounter in the park with little Kane. Good thing V still had a loving mother and Astrid.

 

[motseer]

That's right...so the statistics aren't quite complete...I don't doubt that many of us have probably noticed what Tess is talking about...but I will reread V and Callista's dialog again.

If you really want a full understanding of Veronica I would add the conversation between the Gambit Queen and the Grym Gudinna to that reading list... Also, at the very start of the story we hear in the dark, a God's ear POV if you will, the last words of Alexander Karlsson. Veronica hates him with a passion yet the last sound in that scene is a woman crying... If you listen closely, she sounds more like a child than a girl or woman... Jus' Sayin'

 

[Stan5851]

If you really want a full understanding of Veronica I would add the conversation between the Gambit Queen and the Grym Gudinna to that reading list... Also, at the very start of the story we hear in the dark, a God's ear POV if you will, the last words of Alexander Karlsson. Veronica hates him with a passion yet the last sound in that scene is a woman crying... If you listen closely, she sounds more like a child than a girl or woman... Jus' Sayin'

To be honest, I didn't hear crying there, only laughter...And who was really at the bedside of the dying Alexander - this is a separate topic for discussion, which all of you here have already discussed many times...(and never came to a consensus). So I'll leave it aside for now, otherwise we'll get into a new round of discussion about Alessa and "Agent Olivia" again... Yes, I agree, all dialog is important, including the conversation between the "ninja"Veronica and Callista/Gambit Queen.

But it's a little different here...Tess wrote a sentence in her extended reply about Veronica's identity, so I was interested to make sure I hadn't missed it before. I made sure I hadn't missed that sentence, but I confess I hadn't given it much thought or just thought it was unimportant (until I read Tess's response today (in Q&A , Question 13 )..

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But in light of this "new old" knowledge we get a really unpleasant picture, telling us that Alexander Karlsson committed some kind of act (possibly an act of violence, whatever that means) towards his own child, Veronica, which, among other things, influenced the formation of her personality and withdrawn character..

 

[Maviarab]

For those who don't care about Discord and all other malarkey....confirmation made (for the Jules fans):

 

[Sharpshooter890]

For those who don't care about Discord and all other malarkey....confirmation made (for the Jules fans):

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Well, if expanded means, say, Jules+Samantha, that would make me one happy panda.

 

[Maviarab]

Well, if expanded means, say, Jules+Samantha, that would make me one happy panda.

Sam would be a strange one as she can be in Olivia's faction too, so Sam may be one of the few characters that we do have control over influencing. I would almost certainly imagine Mercy will be included in Jule's 'new romance' path (especially given the scene in 0.8.2). I wonder if it would/will/could include anyone else and who....

Edit: To compound on that, I'm actually thinking it may be an exclusive type of FWB grouping...a little like Alessa/Celeste or Phoebe/Celeste. There is/was already planned a Jules/Delilah 'other dom' romance, maybe that will be expanded upon...Jules/Sam(?)/Mercy/Delilah...*shrugs*

 

[DoverDad]

Sam would be a strange one as she can be in Olivia's faction too, so Sam may be one of the few characters that we do have control over influencing. I would almost certainly imagine Mercy will be included in Jule's 'new romance' path (especially given the scene in 0.8.2). I wonder if it would/will/could include anyone else and who....

will that mean we are getting one less ending now that the demo flag has been caned because I think Jul will be groped with Dom on the evil side anyway

 

[Maviarab]

will that mean we are getting one less ending now that the demo flag has been caned because I think Jul will be groped with Dom on the evil side anyway

Hard to say really Dover....and as for being grouped with Dom...not sure, they still despise each other but as far as I can tell, their temporary alliance is still in place (to originally work against Olivia). Possible I suppose given 'that scene' (though not sure Eloise would be a part of it knowing where she can move/join and who she already aligned with).

 

[motseer]

To be honest, I didn't hear crying there, only laughter...And who was really at the bedside of the dying Alexander - this is a separate topic for discussion, which all of you here have already discussed many times...(and never came to a consensus). So I'll leave it aside for now, otherwise we'll get into a new round of discussion about Alessa and "Agent Olivia" again... Yes, I agree, all dialog is important, including the conversation between the "ninja"Veronica and Callista/Gambit Queen.

But it's a little different here...Tess wrote a sentence in her extended reply about Veronica's identity, so I was interested to make sure I hadn't missed it before. I made sure I hadn't missed that sentence, but I confess I hadn't given it much thought or just thought it was unimportant (until I read Tess's response today (in Q&A , Question 13 )..

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But in light of this "new old" knowledge we get a really unpleasant picture, telling us that Alexander Karlsson committed some kind of act (possibly an act of violence, whatever that means) towards his own child, Veronica, which, among other things, influenced the formation of her personality and withdrawn character..

Ha! My ears are old... I never considered it was laughter... It sounds like a little kid crying to my poor old ears... *shrug*

Pertaining to the, probable, violent abuse toward Veronica, yeah, I always assumed that was the case from that conversation. I guess it didn't stand out for me because it was just another brick in the wall, so to speak. I consider his attempt to take Astrid's life pretty violent and nobody on this planet ends up like Juliette without abusive experiences of some kind... I guess what I'm trying to say is Alexander's violent behavior doesn't "stand out" because it is so prevalent.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

I’ll just say, the revolution ending isn’t the main canon ending… all that matters is if World State B happens… and there is variations of ur Kane being sub or dom..

 

[DoverDad]

Hard to say really Dover....and as for being grouped with Dom...not sure, they still despise each other but as far as I can tell, their temporary alliance is still in place (to originally work against Olivia). Possible I suppose given 'that scene' (though not sure Eloise would be a part of it knowing where she can move/join and who she already aligned with).

Maybe Jule will corrupt Dom to her way of thinking if you are doing an evil run that one way can I see Tess doing it with them two but I guess we have to wait and find out

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

In that case, one should also ask at whose request these drugs were developed...I recall there were mentions in the game of the sisters approaching V with one request or another related to their sexual amusement. So it's still a big question whether V would have invented all this if she hadn't had requests from her perverted sisters.

That old man juice was all Veronica's baby; I have yet to see the sisters even think about using that... jess saying

Random thoughts

If the two sisters are unkillable, then how is Yvette able to die? Seems she's always around one or the other so unless she's taking a metaphorical bullet for her daughter, I don't see her demise.

I imagine that whatever island4 is is probably the canon ending and the event that happens regardless of what else happens in the game.

If the revolution does happen and it comes down to a war between her son and her people, which side does callista fall on?

Can Olivia go against her family and support the dekocks if that's what Kane wants to do?

Just being random on this saturday

 

[Maviarab]

I imagine that whatever island4 is is probably the canon ending and the event that happens regardless of what else happens in the game.

I would imagine so and it's very hard to argue against. Tess' other story, being done by Anais (written mostly by Tess) is not set on earth...and Astrid is alive. So yeah, pretty cannon that Island 4 does get it's propulsion 'fitted' at some point and Astrid leaves in cryo regardless of whatever else happens.

 

[kinkyshin]

That old man juice was all Veronica's baby; I have yet to see the sisters even think about using that... jess saying

Random thoughts

If the two sisters are unkillable, then how is Yvette able to die? Seems she's always around one or the other so unless she's taking a metaphorical bullet for her daughter, I don't see her demise.

I imagine that whatever island4 is is probably the canon ending and the event that happens regardless of what else happens in the game.

If the revolution does happen and it comes down to a war between her son and her people, which side does callista fall on?

Can Olivia go against her family and support the dekocks if that's what Kane wants to do?

Just being random on this saturday

Well, on the evil path, Olivia straight up says she doesn't care about her half-sisters and will crush any of them if they get in her way. And on the good path, I imagine she wouldn't have much problem doing that as well, since they're not exactly good people. Also, Olivia is a romance option in every route it seems, so yea.

As for Callista, I have no clue. I'm really not looking forward to Evil Kane and Callista clashing. I wonder how much of a say you will have in choosing Kane's reaction to Callista suddenly reappearing after faking her death. Even if she had an extremely good reason for it, I think it would be a tough pill to swallow, but it's honestly difficult for me to imagine it.

As for how Yvette is able to die... Dude... she's playing a significant role in the rebellions happening in New Paris, The Karlsson Group, and The DeKock Syndicate. And btw, both Cynthia and Charlotte, who seem to be the head honchos at their respective groups, have both mentioned Island 4 now. Dominique is also onto them, which means all 3 organizations likely have some idea where the revolts are coming from and are all currently in South Africa. So, Yvette should be extremely worried IMO lol.

Shit is going to hit the fan soon.

 

[motseer]

I imagine that whatever island4 is is probably the canon ending and the event that happens regardless of what else happens in the game.

Just being random on this saturday

I would imagine so and it's very hard to argue against. Tess' other story, being done by Anais (written mostly by Tess) is not set on earth...and Astrid is alive. So yeah, pretty cannon that Island 4 does get it's propulsion 'fitted' at some point and Astrid leaves in cryo regardless of whatever else happens.

Who wouldn't want to be part of the Island 4 adventure and boldly go where no man has gone before? But, that also begs the question, What if Ancient Aliens are there waiting when they arrive?

 

[Maviarab]

boldly go where no man has gone before?

You'll get to do that in the next game