VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[kinkyshin]

In the first picture is Dominique the one wearing the black suit?

Looks like Mercy to me.

 

[akki_sky]

Looks like Mercy to me.

Yes, looks like mercy.

 

[Negan22]

So guys what's the situation/verdict on the Dom content shuffling/removal whatever it was. Dev was very vague in her first post about it and I hardly saw any clarification on it in other posts so I would like to know in simple terms if she has removed some content or shuffled it or what?

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Guy with the Elden Ring signature here. From what I remember from my convo with Tess, Kiyomi was supposed to be kind of a " go your own way".Where Kane and Kiyomi leave the Karlsson world behind and set off on their own path. Remember, Kiyomi and Katsumi were captured/sold to the Karlssons. So Kiyomi's situation is like that of the early Janissaries of the Ottoman Empire. Taken from home and trained to be loyal to the empire. So her breaking free and subsequent romance would have happened at an opportune time.

But if that is no longer happening, Angelica can fill that role to a degree as mentioned in the quoted post .She's from outside the Karlsson group, independent and can walk away at the end. Still, I believe what happened to Kiyomi's route was extremely unfair.

P.S Why did I think a random 4-letter combination was a good name? Need to change that

Not sure Angelica is filling that role since her content is getting Pruned…

 

[Stan5851]

Not sure Angelica is filling that role since her content is getting Pruned…

Silver, were you standing over Tess's shoulder when she wrote that? Or maybe you were in her head? I think we should wait for the "main post" (devlog) and then draw conclusions about what aspects of Angelica's branch this will affect.

Remember, Kiyomi and Katsumi were captured/sold to the Karlssons. So Kiyomi's situation is like that of the early Janissaries of the Ottoman Empire. Taken from home and trained to be loyal to the empire. So her breaking free and subsequent romance would have happened at an opportune time.

May I ask where you got this information from? Maybe I missed something, but it was never(?) mentioned in the game itself, and Kiyomi's past and how and why she became the way she did is still shrouded in mystery. Yes, we know that Katsumi was apparently Alexander's personal servant from an early(?) age, but Kiyomi is a special case and we still don't know anything about her childhood and youth.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Silver, were you standing over Tess's shoulder when she wrote that? Or maybe you were in her head? I think we should wait for the "main post" (devlog) and then draw conclusions about what aspects of Angelica's branch this will affect.

They don't call him spoiler crow for nothing. they have yet to have been wrong on anything about this game

 

[PickerLewd]

In the first picture is Dominique the one wearing the black suit?

I have no idea. To me, all legs look the same, especially when none of them have pubic hair to identify them .

Perhaps one of the experts on this thread will know the answer.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

They don't call him spoiler crow for nothing. they have yet to have been wrong on anything about this game

Wait.? That’s my nickname? And yeah I thought I posted somewhere of Miss Tess saying that Celeste and Angelica content was getting pruned?…

 

[kinkyshin]

May I ask where you got this information from? Maybe I missed something, but it was never(?) mentioned in the game itself, and Kiyomi's past and how and why she became the way she did is still shrouded in mystery. Yes, we know that Katsumi was apparently Alexander's personal servant from an early(?) age, but Kiyomi is a special case and we still don't know anything about her childhood and youth.

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Silver, were you standing over Tess's shoulder when she wrote that? Or maybe you were in her head? I think we should wait for the "main post" (devlog) and then draw conclusions about what aspects of Angelica's branch this will affect.

Wait.? That’s my nickname? And yeah I thought I posted somewhere of Miss Tess saying that Celeste and Angelica content was getting pruned?…

Here's what you posted.




"extensive branches will be pruned" doesn't necessarily mean she's talking about Angelica's route though. She was changing a lot of things.

They don't call him spoiler crow for nothing. they have yet to have been wrong on anything about this game

He says sub route is the best route. WRONG!!

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Here's what you posted.


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"extensive branches will be pruned" doesn't necessarily mean she's talking about Angelica's route though. She was changing a lot of things.


He says sub route is the best route. WRONG!!

Listen here buddy boy? Extensive branches on the dom side will be pruned, in context a the time of the chat was with Celeste and Angelica… but hey, we’ll see when everything is settled, I.e. which character from sub side goes dom and Vice versa… heh…

and Secondly… IT IS THE BEST PLAYSTYLE!! To me anyways , and I’ll stand proud amongst the Dom players of this forum and be the Shining Star that sub players can look up to for Guidance!!

 

[Stan5851]

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Yeah, that's right. That scene slipped my mind...Although, there are still quite a few questions. For example, who trained Kiyomi herself in martial arts, considering that there is no one tougher than her and she can wring the neck of any Karlsson...And how come her sister Katsumi got into Alexander's service.

I have a long-held belief that Katsumi, if not lying, is clearly not telling Seth everything, and I assume that she and Kiyomi are not really from a simple family of some conventional bare-assed nomads from the Badlands. Their real elite and reach family probably once had the misfortune to get in the way of Alexander's business interests and subsequently lost to him, with the result that Alexander took the sisters as his prey.

However, little Kiyomi could have been taught martial arts by a sensei, a master of martial arts (back when they lived with their parents), and when she and Katsumi were forced to submit to the Karlssons, Kiyomi had already mastered the art of fighting so well that she was able to improve on her own and become stronger and more deadly. Of course, this is just a theory, but it seems reasonable enough to me. I hope in time the veil of secrecy over Kiyomi and Katsumi's past will be lifted and we'll get to know everything in detail.

 

[kinkyshin]

Yeah, that's right. That scene slipped my mind...Although, there are still quite a few questions. For example, who trained Kiyomi herself in martial arts, considering that there is no one tougher than her and she can wring the neck of any Karlsson...And how come her sister Katsumi got into Alexander's service.

I have a long-held belief that Katsumi, if not lying, is clearly not telling Seth everything, and I assume that she and Kiyomi are not really from a simple family of some conventional bare-assed nomads from the Badlands. Their real family probably once had the misfortune to get in the way of Alexander's business interests and subsequently lost to him, with the result that Alexander took the sisters as his prey.

However, little Kiyomi could have been taught martial arts by a sensei, a master of martial arts, and when she and Katsumi were forced to submit to the Karlssons, Kiyomi had already mastered the art of fighting so well that she was able to improve on her own and become stronger and more deadly. I hope in time the veil of secrecy over Kiyomi and Katsumi's past will be lifted and we'll get to know everything in detail.

Yea, if she just said it to Seth then I would think she's lying as well. But the fact that she says it to Kane whilst on the dom route makes me think it's the truth.

As for who she's been taught by. I'm 99.9% certain it says somewhere that both Olivia and Kiyomi trained under Ying Yue.

 

[Stan5851]

Yea, if she just said it to Seth then I would think she's lying as well. But the fact that she says it to Kane whilst on the dom route makes me think it's the truth.

As for who she's been taught by. I'm 99.9% certain it says somewhere that both Olivia and Kiyomi trained under Ying Yue.

I'm leaning towards it being true too, but for now I'm sticking to my theory about an elite and wealthy family from Japan with long traditions, martial arts teachers and so on.

I thought about it, but I didn't see any mention in the game that Ying Yue might have trained Kiyomi. There was a mention of Olivia and that she studied martial arts at this temple, but that was to be expected.

 

[kinkyshin]

I'm leaning towards it being true too, but for now I'm sticking to my theory about an elite and wealthy family from Japan with long traditions, martial arts teachers and so on.

I thought about it, but I didn't see any mention in the game that Ying Yue might have trained Kiyomi. There was a mention of Olivia and that she studied martial arts at this temple, but that was to be expected.

Well Olivia outright says she was taught by Ying Yue. But yea, I'm almost certain it says somewhere or at least heavily implies that Kiyomi was also taught by her. I don't even know where to look though. Sad.

 

[Kxca]

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Here's what you posted.


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"extensive branches will be pruned" doesn't necessarily mean she's talking about Angelica's route though. She was changing a lot of things.


He says sub route is the best route. WRONG!!

Thanks for the screenshots. I knew I had seen that somewhere but didn't remember exactly where.

Ying Yue having trained Kiyomi doesn't seem too far fetched. She's similar in age to Olivia and since Callista knew Ying, its highly likely that the Karlssons did too. And since we dont see Ying in the present timeline anymore, she could have either passed away or gone into seclusion for n number of reasons. Leaving Kiyomi as the best there is.

As for the pruning, I think its being done purely for practical reasons. Tess knows that the game is too spread out and at the current rate of development where every episode is taking 1-1.5 years, the game will go into 2030s to be completed. Plus with her marriage and everything else, her life has also changed. So she's cutting out the extra routes she had planned. Ultimately we might only see endings with Olivia and the Karlsson girls. All other paths might be removed.

 

[Maviarab]

every episode is taking 1-1.5 years

 

[Silver_Crow117]

As for the pruning, I think its being done purely for practical reasons. Tess knows that the game is too spread out and at the current rate of development where every episode is taking 1-1.5 years, the game will go into 2030s to be completed. Plus with her marriage and everything else, her life has also changed. So she's cutting out the extra routes she had planned. Ultimately we might only see endings with Olivia and the Karlsson girls. All other paths might be removed.

It’s definitely not because of those reasons

 

[kinkyshin]

Well, I think I've been a strong advocate that Tess is fast and consistent, but there could be some truth to it.

Tess obviously isn't stupid but it's definitely possible that she has underestimated how much of a struggle it is to have so many branching paths. Remember when Reyes and Kiyomi gives the k4 pod the slave brands (giving Kane the option to take it or drink liquid) and then next chapter or so, Veronica heals Kane's brand and Tess made a comment that it was way too much work to have multiple renders lol

I think everyone knows that the story is getting to a place where it's soon going to branch significantly. Things like Kane and Olivia being able to die.. surely that alone will have huge changes. But Kane and Olivia picking different sides, romance options, etc... it's not just a lot of both major and minor branches.. it's an insane amount.

I know she said that next update will be shorter and therefore faster, but is that just for this next update or what she wants for all future updates? Because I think that when a story branches out so much... it just makes sense to have longer and bigger updates. Otherwise people that only play one or two routes will only get like five minutes of content. The last update was quite large and even though it took a while, it was very well received wasn't it? I'm wondering what made her want a faster update schedule in the first place.

I thought about it, but I didn't see any mention in the game that Ying Yue might have trained Kiyomi. There was a mention of Olivia and that she studied martial arts at this temple, but that was to be expected.

Okay, when it comes to confirmation that Kiyomi trained under Ying Yue I've gone from '99.9% certain' to 'almost certain' to... maybe? I still think there might have been a subtle comment somewhere that confirms or heavily implies it but I'm starting to have some doubts lol

Ultimately we might only see endings with Olivia and the Karlsson girls. All other paths might be removed.

Hmm, I thought this was an overreaction but when I look at who she's confirmed as romance options for Kane... it's pretty much only the Karlsson girls anyways lol.

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Maybe it's a tiny bit outdated, but the only T1 romance for Kane on the dom route that wasn't a Karlsson was Angelica and Junko, the latter being someone that absolutely no one cares about. Poor girl is just a stepping stone to get onto the revolution path.

But yea, I don't think there will be many endings with non-Karlsson girls but it seems that was the plan from the start.

 

[Stan5851]

Okay, when it comes to confirmation that Kiyomi trained under Ying Yue I've gone from '99.9% certain' to 'almost certain' to... maybe? I still think there might have been a subtle comment somewhere that confirms or heavily implies it but I'm starting to have some doubts lol

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[Silver_Crow117]

Well, I think I've been a strong advocate that Tess is fast and consistent, but there could be some truth to it.

Tess obviously isn't stupid but it's definitely possible that she has underestimated how much of a struggle it is to have so many branching paths. Remember when Reyes and Kiyomi gives the k4 pod the slave brands (giving Kane the option to take it or drink liquid) and then next chapter or so, Veronica heals Kane's brand and Tess made a comment that it was way too much work to have multiple renders lol

I think everyone knows that the story is getting to a place where it's soon going to branch significantly. Things like Kane and Olivia being able to die.. surely that alone will have huge changes. But Kane and Olivia picking different sides, romance options, etc... it's not just a lot of both major and minor branches.. it's an insane amount.

I know she said that next update will be shorter and therefore faster, but is that just for this next update or what she wants for all future updates? Because I think that when a story branches out so much... it just makes sense to have longer and bigger updates. Otherwise people that only play one or two routes will only get like five minutes of content. The last update was quite large and even though it took a while, it was very well received wasn't it? I'm wondering what made her want a faster update schedule in the first place.



Okay, when it comes to confirmation that Kiyomi trained under Ying Yue I've gone from '99.9% certain' to 'almost certain' to... maybe? I still think there might have been a subtle comment somewhere that confirms or heavily implies it but I'm starting to have some doubts lol



Hmm, I thought this was an overreaction but when I look at who she's confirmed as romance options for Kane... it's pretty much only the Karlsson girls anyways lol.

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Maybe it's a tiny bit outdated, but the only T1 romance for Kane on the dom route that wasn't a Karlsson was Angelica and Junko, the latter being someone that absolutely no one cares about. Poor girl is just a stepping stone to get onto the revolution path.

But yea, I don't think there will be many endings with non-Karlsson girls but it seems that was the plan from the start.

I will say that for the sub side, Characters will not only have a Slave Path and a Servant path…. But also Romances/weird Romances!

example: Juliette being one of the characters that can have him as a slave… or a servant and also have a weird romance!! (Of course content will also differ depending on what K Level your at, but depending on the Mistress you choose, you advance up as a true sub…)
Another: Dominque is going to have a slave route but no Romance path,,,
Just depends really on the Karlsson with the variety

Other characters that have routes on the sub side are
Claudia, Angelica, Elena, Kiyomi, Erica, (Possibly Celeste and or Phoebe depending on what path comes from Dom), Junko, Delilah… and that’s all I can think of atm!…obviously things can change so in the end we’ll see but atm that’s what my sub Kane database is telling me