VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[harsha_26]

Yeah, game is turning boring. Sadly. All this endless "games arc" is detracting story progression. It seems just an excuse to indulge into her sadistic fantasies
Let's hope 8.3.2 or whatever she calls it ends this games plot. Not sure about that...
Even if it ends there, I'm not optimistic about future of the game. Too much crucial things seem to be "set in stone" regardless of your choices.
For example, Veronica, the great genius and so on. She's so important for the world salvation, so I can't kill her, fine.
But for sure she doesn't need functional legs. Or a tongue. She could keep doing her genius things under your command, as a "special worker" aka slave, as a punishment for being a collaborator all her life on this dystopic nightmare.
Instead of that she gets a "get out of jail free card", thanks to Tess Just to name a topic where Kane can't decide shit. There are many more.

Bro, Veronica being a slave under kane command is also downsided by Tess. I have asked this question too to her.

Wow, I actually feel relaxed now im not the only one to have these thoughts and it's been logical to expect these things atleast in evil dom or evil revolution path.

 

[Masterofdisaste]

Yeah, game is turning boring. Sadly. All this endless "games arc" is detracting story progression. It seems just an excuse to indulge into her sadistic fantasies
Let's hope 8.3.2 or whatever she calls it ends this games plot. Not sure about that...
Even if it ends there, I'm not optimistic about future of the game. Too much crucial things seem to be "set in stone" regardless of your choices.
For example, Veronica, the great genius and so on. She's so important for the world salvation, so I can't kill her, fine.
But for sure she doesn't need functional legs. Or a tongue. She could keep doing her genius things under your command, as a "special worker" aka slave, as a punishment for being a collaborator all her life on this dystopic nightmare.
Instead of that she gets a "get out of jail free card", thanks to Tess Just to name a topic where Kane can't decide shit. There are many more.

Veronica is not even just a collaborator of the system. It is said that she was heavly involved in creating the shock chips etc. She's basically the arichtect of it. I can't understand how we should be able to see her as a morally gray character while she is heavily responsible for the situation.
For example in sub path if Kane saves Maria, she is sooo thankful to Kane. Soo thankful that she continues with her human experiments about enhanced pain on Kane. You can decide for her how she wants to test Kane. By just hitting him while his pain is increased, or having beaten with a paddle or r*ping his ass with a strapon. Thats not morally gray, thats not thankful. That's just fucked up.

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[BurgRoyce]

Bro, Veronica being a slave under kane command is also downsided by Tess. I have asked this question too to her.

Wow, I actually feel relaxed now im not the only one to have these thoughts and it's been logical to expect these things atleast in evil dom or evil revolution path.

I'm in Good Revolution path, but my ideal scenario would be executing Juliette, Dominique and Alessandra (after being heavily humilliated, vexed and tortured), and Veronica as a slave (in the conditions stated in my previous post). Because Good is not soft and they deserve to suffer

Not gonna happen, I'm aware of that. If any of the Karlssons dies it would be as a result of their internal strife, not by Kane's choices.

 

[minibaer12]

Wow, I actually feel relaxed now im not the only one to have these thoughts and it's been logical to expect these things atleast in evil dom or evil revolution path.

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[Ricthequick]

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I mean not to sound like an apologist at all costs, but is not like this AVN was ever anything else but extra sadistic, I can understand folks not liking it, but is not something popping up in the last couple of updates, it's there from the very first chapter. (EDIT: if anything i think she had to dial it down a notch).

I can also understand how someone who only wants to play the Dom Kane paths might find it even more distateful, considering that is not like Kane has that much agency even in those paths, but also there it was made clear pretty soon that playing him as dominant wouldn't mean he's at the (power) level of the Karlsson.

I do agree on the show, that's taking forever and by now has lost most of its appeal also for me, I'd rather see the story progress further for Kane (both dom and sub).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

There are no likeable characters in this game. It is completely devoid of them, imo.

There are a few I don't absolutely hate like Jake, Zach, Amy, Seth, Kwame and Amara. Everyone else I'd gladly drench in gasoline and set 'em ablaze.

In a post apocalyptic landscape, if society has devolved into this, it's time for society to end. At this point I'm just mad the apocalypse didn't finish the job This version of humanity needs to be wiped out.

Other than the protagonists and the victims of the gambit, there are a few that don't bug me:

Claudia is interesting in that she's surrounded by evil but unless corrupted, she's not particularly evil.
Astrid picked a disease over giving into her fathers bullshit and the only slaves she uses are assistants to help her cure herself.
Nadia's determination to save her brother is quite noble. She might have the evil bug in her but she won't use it on Kane. I even love that she went through so much just to see her brother.
I might have a different opinion of her if I was a sub but I like how Yvette doesnt play about her daughters.
I would probably like Cynthia, but that raw steak creeps me out.

But for the most part yea, in a world like this where people get off on suffering, it's gonna be hard to find likeable characters.

Yeah, game is turning boring. Sadly. All this endless "games arc" is detracting story progression. It seems just an excuse to indulge into her sadistic fantasies
Let's hope 8.3.2 or whatever she calls it ends this games plot. Not sure about that...
Even if it ends there, I'm not optimistic about future of the game. Too much crucial things seem to be "set in stone" regardless of your choices.
For example, Veronica, the great genius and so on. She's so important for the world salvation, so I can't kill her, fine.
But for sure she doesn't need functional legs. Or a tongue. She could keep doing her genius things under your command, as a "special worker" aka slave, as a punishment for being a collaborator all her life on this dystopic nightmare.
Instead of that she gets a "get out of jail free card", thanks to Tess Just to name a topic where Kane can't decide shit. There are many more.

Still have one more part till we're done with this chapter. Basically we're doing approx 1/6 of chapters at the moment so it's gonna get old when it takes three years to finish said game show. The real problem is that as a dom player the game show isnt appealing at all since you're not really responsible for building it and you're not taking part in it, all that you're doing is betting on it unless something changed this update.

 

[Masterofdisaste]

I mean not to sound like an apologist at all costs, but is not like this AVN was ever anything else but extra sadistic, I can understand folks not liking it, but is not something popping up in the last couple of updates, it's there from the very first chapter. (EDIT: if anything i think she had to dial it down a notch).

I can also understand how someone who only wants to play the Dom Kane paths might find it even more distateful, considering that is not like Kane has that much agency even in those paths, but also there it was made clear pretty soon that playing him as dominant wouldn't mean he's at the (power) level of the Karlsson.

I do agree on the show, that's taking forever and by now has lost most of its appeal also for me, I'd rather see the story progress further for Kane (both dom and sub).

Yeah maybe you are right and I should have just dropped it much earlier. I just played the previous version a few weeks before and then saw he new update and thought, hey mabe something intresting will happen and maybe we get some positive developments especially with Kanes parents arriving. But no it just goes further with everything being as inhumane as possible.

 

[Ricthequick]

Yeah maybe you are right and I should have just dropped it much earlier. I just played the previous version a few weeks before and then saw he new update and thought, hey mabe something intresting will happen and maybe we get some positive developments especially with Kanes parents arriving. But no it just goes further with everything being as inhumane as possible.

Well look at the bright side, at least you didn't wait years.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Never imagined a father would react like this, a father who loudly cheered his son’s name while Callista was pregnant.”

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Okay Mom and Dad, thankyou for being wonderful parents. Let's meet in Evil Dom path.

No offence :
It's not rocket science to get a good start in this game ... everybody can get a K6 start and the whole process is transparent and explained in the walkthrough.

Content on the dom path is MALEDOM content in a femdom environment with lots of sex with willing females for Kane.

If a player starts as K4 and then maybe even goes down to K1pro, then this is usually an EXPLICIT choice of the player to see this kind of (sometimes extreme) FEMDOM content. A lot of choices on the sub path are just there to provide a variety of different scenes to cover special kinks like humilation, trampling, face sitting, pissing, whipping, killing slaves, etc ... recently there is also often the option to simply skip to the next scene if the player doesn't like the offered kinks of the content.

I have the impression that players misunderstand the game and the characters. I see the game mostly as a service where patrons can see their visualized femdom kinks and on the sub path can roleplay as a powerless slave.

It's a bit like in a fetish brothel where adult customers can choose their kinks, eg to be humilated and maybe whipped. Should the mistress in this brothel intervene and stop the whipping because whipping is an evil kink and may hurt the customer?

Cole and Calista can't intervene and free sub Kane since that would literally destroy the sub path for which the patrons pay. After all this is still a femdom game developed by a femdom lover for femdom loving patrons ...

If you don't like femdom scenes where sub Kane gets humilated or maybe even get killed, maybe better just stay on the dom path (and avoid Alessandra's special Secret Sub path).

 

[f96zonetrooper]

...
I'm the one in the corner rooting for the asteroid to do this VN world a favor and wipe it from existence because there is nothing or anyone on there worth saving

You realize that it's Tess' game and she adds content and features ... if you want to choose an asteroid ingame to wipe out everything, you have to go to Tess and ask her to implement it ...

If you don't enjoy the game, maybe consider to move on and maybe develop your own game ... after all it's your (finite) life, so don't waste it on games you don't like ...

 

[harsha_26]

No offence :
It's not rocket science to get a good start in this game ... everybody can get a K6 start and the whole process is transparent and explained in the walkthrough.

Content on the dom path is MALEDOM content in a femdom environment with lots of sex with willing females for Kane.

If a player starts as K4 and then maybe even goes down to K1pro, then this is usually an EXPLICIT choice of the player to see this kind of (sometimes extreme) FEMDOM content. A lot of choices on the sub path are just there to provide a variety of different scenes to cover special kinks like humilation, trampling, face sitting, pissing, whipping, killing slaves, etc ... recently there is also often the option to simply skip to the next scene if the player doesn't like the offered kinks of the content.

I have the impression that players misunderstand the game and the characters. I see the game mostly as a service where patrons can see their visualized femdom kinks and on the sub path can roleplay as a powerless slave.

It's a bit like in a fetish brothel where adult customers can choose their kinks, eg to be humilated and maybe whipped. Should the mistress in this brothel intervene and stop the whipping because whipping is an evil kink and may hurt the customer?

Cole and Calista can't intervene and free sub Kane since that would literally destroy the sub path for which the patrons pay. After all this is still a femdom game developed by a femdom lover for femdom loving patrons ...

If you don't like femdom scenes where sub Kane gets humilated or maybe even get killed, maybe better just stay on the dom path (and avoid Alessandra's special Secret Sub path).

As far as i'm concerned, I have no problems about sub kinks. Sub have whatever kinks it can. I never opposed it. My problem is only with certain characters like Parents. Nadia showed what she can by helping his bro by hacking, she risked her ticket to just have a talk with her bro. What these cole and callista did while he is suffering? Fucking all over multiple times. I admit it's player's choice to go down the k1 path, and Yes, Kane should be blamed for it. But did he asked for this life? All he did is responding to a thief attacking his brother. And why he trapped in the first place? Only because he is callista's son. That's his biggest sin.

And I can understand parents have limitations to save him. But still, he is their son. Atleast all they can do is feel bad about it and think of next process to save kane. But Cole is more interested in being the leader of new world than saving his son, and even callista is responding well to the fucking jokes of cynthia. They should have atleast reacted in a emotional way rather than fucking all around.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Yeah, I don't see anything interesting about Junko and feel like I'm whoring myself out to her on my alt good dom/powergaming playthrough just to ensure I get the revolution.

Meanwhile on my original blind good playthrough where I started out K4 and climbed to K7 (the suffering and eventual role reversal was a lot more entertaining than the basic fetish wish fulfillment of the straightforward sub/dom paths for masochists/sadists) and should've been a prime candidate for revenge/revolution they don't make contact. You get a separate cutscene between a couple of revolutionnaries saying they're not sure whether you can be trusted.

If it then turns out you don't actually need to become Junko's lover to get or join the revolution then it will just be my fault for cheating with a guide.

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[f96zonetrooper]

I have no problems about sub kinks. Sub have whatever kinks it can. I never opposed it. My problem is only with certain characters like Parents, sister etc. Nadia showed what she can by helping his bro by hacking, she risked her ticket to just have a talk with her bro. What these cole and callista did while he is suffering? Fucking all over multiple times. I admit it's player's choice to go down the k1 path, and Yes, Kane should be blamed for it. But did he asked for this life? All he did is responding to a thief attacking his brother. And why he trapped in the first place? Only because he is callista's son. That's his biggest sin.

And I can understand parents have limitations to save him. But still, he is their son. Atleast all they can do is feel bad about it and think of next process to save kane. But Cole is more interested in being the leader of new world than saving his son, and even callista is responding well to the fucking jokes of cynthia. They should have atleast reacted in a emotional way rather than fucking all around.

Everything that happens to Kane and what Kane does is a test to see if he is worthy ... Maybe they will intervene after the test and save him if he did poorly?
And they (the Karlsson sisters) still need Kane's seed for the Gambit.

I have the impression that on the sub path Kane doing good now is just interpreted as Kane being a "good slave". Dom players who accidently started as K4 had their chance in E5 to to rise from K4 to K5. Players who did not take that chance likely chose sub content over dom content by purpose, so no need for Tess to adjust the story for a few players who are "on the wrong path". The narrative may not work for completionist dom players who explore the sub path, but they are on the "wrong" path anyway ...

 

[Masterofdisaste]

No offence :
It's not rocket science to get a good start in this game ... everybody can get a K6 start and the whole process is transparent and explained in the walkthrough.

Content on the dom path is MALEDOM content in a femdom environment with lots of sex with willing females for Kane.

If a player starts as K4 and then maybe even goes down to K1pro, then this is usually an EXPLICIT choice of the player to see this kind of (sometimes extreme) FEMDOM content. A lot of choices on the sub path are just there to provide a variety of different scenes to cover special kinks like humilation, trampling, face sitting, pissing, whipping, killing slaves, etc ... recently there is also often the option to simply skip to the next scene if the player doesn't like the offered kinks of the content.

I have the impression that players misunderstand the game and the characters. I see the game mostly as a service where patrons can see their visualized femdom kinks and on the sub path can roleplay as a powerless slave.

It's a bit like in a fetish brothel where adult customers can choose their kinks, eg to be humilated and maybe whipped. Should the mistress in this brothel intervene and stop the whipping because whipping is an evil kink and may hurt the customer?

Cole and Calista can't intervene and free sub Kane since that would literally destroy the sub path for which the patrons pay. After all this is still a femdom game developed by a femdom lover for femdom loving patrons ...

If you don't like femdom scenes where sub Kane gets humilated or maybe even get killed, maybe better just stay on the dom path (and avoid Alessandra's special Secret Sub path).

Hey, I have no problem with the femdom content at all. I'm in for this. The scenes were the women dominate Kane acutally are very often really good. And yes you can avoid seeing people killed on screen, what you can't avoid is how they constantly tell you how fucked up they all are and how much they enjoy killing people for fun. For me at least there is a heavy difference between femdom/bdsm play and getting off on letting people die of starvation or killing thousands of innocent people (but ok I get it, thats preferences).
But I still see a lot of problems with writing of the characters. You say Cole and Callista can't save Kane because it destroys the sub path ... yeah sure but then don't tell us they are two of the most brillaint people on earth that care deeply for their child, while doing absolutly nothing to help him but instead decide to having a fun fucking session. If you want to make that belivable then show us why they can't do shit or we have to asume they are simply shitty people or it's bad writing. Or maybe just don't bring them to the island at all...
Veronica tells you that you completly changed her life but also says that she will not risk anything to actually protect you or maybe give you something to eat or to drink to increase your stats. Same goes for Maria btw.
All of the not completly psycho characters just feel so inconsitent...

 

[harsha_26]

Everything that happens to Kane and what Kane does is a test to see if he is worthy ... Maybe they will intervene after the test and save him if he did poorly?
And they (the Karlsson sisters) still need Kane's seed for the Gambit.

I have the impression that on the sub path Kane doing good now is just interpreted as Kane being a "good slave". Dom players who accidently started as K4 had their chance in E5 to to rise from K4 to K5. Players who did not take that chance likely chose sub content over dom content by purpose, so no need for Tess to adjust the story for a few players who are "on the wrong path". The narrative may not work for completionist dom players who explore the sub path, but they are on the "wrong" path anyway ...

So, you mean to say ultimately, sub paths are more about extreme sadistic kinks and dom paths are about easy sex with willing girls.

And here I'm, thinking all this game is beyond that and praising Tess in the meanwhile even though I have issues in this game lol.

 

[harsha_26]

Hey, I have no problem with the femdom content at all. I'm in for this. The scenes were the women dominate Kane acutally are very often really good. And yes you can avoid seeing people killed on screen, what you can't avoid is how they constantly tell you how fucked up they all are and how much they enjoy killing people for fun. For me at least there is a heavy difference between femdom/bdsm play and getting off on letting people die of starvation or killing thousands of innocent people (but ok I get it, thats preferences).
But I still see a lot of problems with writing of the characters. You say Cole and Callista can't save Kane because it destroys the sub path ... yeah sure but then don't tell us they are two of the most brillaint people on earth that care deeply for their child, while doing absolutly nothing to help him but instead decide to having a fun fucking session. If you want to make that belivable then show us why they can't do shit or we have to asume they are simply shitty people or it's bad writing. Or maybe just don't bring them to the island at all...
Veronica tells you that you completly changed her life but also says that she will not risk anything to actually protect you or maybe give you something to eat or to drink to increase your stats. Same goes for Maria btw.
All of the not completly psycho characters just feel so inconsitent...

It have issues even in Dom Path. In the parents scene in dom path, Cole says "you prepared him well" to callista.
Like really? When that happened? All she said is "I'm gonna save you".

 

[harsha_26]

what do you think about bflagsubone or bflagdomone? f96zonetrooper

 

[RNasc4444]

You realize that it's Tess' game and she adds content and features ... if you want to choose an asteroid ingame to wipe out everything, you have to go to Tess and ask her to implement it ...

If you don't enjoy the game, maybe consider to move on and maybe develop your own game ... after all it's your (finite) life, so don't waste it on games you don't like ...

Indeed.

I'm sure you missed my earlier post but anyways I just wanted you to know that's exactly what I'm doing.

As someone who's been "stuck" at the end of chapter 6 for like 2 years because the kinks and the nature of this VN is so hard to digest it almost makes me sick, all I want or care about is the complete obliteration of The Karlsson Group and anyone that's a part of it. At least everyone ranked K5 and above. I'd like to decimate The Cocks too eventually but the Karlsson's come first.

I'm still technically at the end of chapter 6/beggining of chapter 7 but I peruse the new versions that come out and read this thread from time to time.

So while I do genuinely appreciate the (passive agressive) advice, I do value my time and only allocate as much as I can spare to shit I don't like

 

[hoochimama]

In the parents scene in dom path, Cole says "you prepared him well" to callista.
Like really? When that happened?

All the extra homework prepared him to be an expert bootlicker.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

No offence :
It's not rocket science to get a good start in this game ... everybody can get a K6 start and the whole process is transparent and explained in the walkthrough.

Content on the dom path is MALEDOM content in a femdom environment with lots of sex with willing females for Kane.

If a player starts as K4 and then maybe even goes down to K1pro, then this is usually an EXPLICIT choice of the player to see this kind of (sometimes extreme) FEMDOM content. A lot of choices on the sub path are just there to provide a variety of different scenes to cover special kinks like humilation, trampling, face sitting, pissing, whipping, killing slaves, etc ... recently there is also often the option to simply skip to the next scene if the player doesn't like the offered kinks of the content.

I have the impression that players misunderstand the game and the characters. I see the game mostly as a service where patrons can see their visualized femdom kinks and on the sub path can roleplay as a powerless slave.

It's a bit like in a fetish brothel where adult customers can choose their kinks, eg to be humilated and maybe whipped. Should the mistress in this brothel intervene and stop the whipping because whipping is an evil kink and may hurt the customer?

Cole and Calista can't intervene and free sub Kane since that would literally destroy the sub path for which the patrons pay. After all this is still a femdom game developed by a femdom lover for femdom loving patrons ...

If you don't like femdom scenes where sub Kane gets humilated or maybe even get killed, maybe better just stay on the dom path (and avoid Alessandra's special Secret Sub path).

The problem isnt with the writing, the writing is fine. I get the reason why the sub scenes happen from a business standpoint. The problem is with the parents, specifically Callista. Kane (the person not the player) didnt consent to this shit. He was forced into this game and he didnt even know this was going to happen despite Callista having time to warn him. Instead we get callista faking her death to possibly resolve a bomb issue and if im understanding the context of that scene. We have parents patting themselves on the back for forcing their kid into a dangerous game that could possibly kill him with no preparation. Because of yada yada yada.

That's what I think most people are complaining about, not the difficulty level of the player reaching K-6