VN Ren'Py Law School [Ep.1] [MisterMaya]

[Skylaroo]

Come on, MisterMaya. I love your writing for the most part and I'm invested in your story but... That tongue lashing Professor Caroline subjects the MC to over her own indiscretion? Give our MC a spine, dude! Yeah, I get it. He's still just an 18 yr old kid and she's a sophisticated dominatrix who likes spankin' the librarian's bare ass in public... Bullcrap! He's supposed to be smart. He's 6' 4" and she's 5 foot nuthin'. Oh, yeah... Some of the renders are believable... too many are not. People 6' 4" tall tower over 98% of the rest of the human race (whether they wear stripper heels or not) and are even more intimidating when they have a large athletic build.

As I said, I'm invested in your story and I appreciate your work. That doesn't stop me from promoting more accuracy in projecting a strong main character (which is what I think you intend). Man, I just wanted to back that bitch the hell up so bad... Jus' Sayin'

While I can understand your point, I have to say that it's isn't an accurate portrayal of MC. You're right that he's smart, but it's exactly because he's smart that he knows that it isn't in his best interest to start conflict with a professor. Yes, he has the advantage, but he doesn't need the win because the professor is not his enemy. Fighting would only lead to both sides suffering losses. Yes, he's bigger than her, but bullying is something that he doesn't do. The interaction has nothing to do with him being 18 and her being a dominatrix. He didn't fight back because there's no reason to fight. It's much more beneficial for them to work together. Professor got to keep her secret, MC got the professor's support on obtaining key to the library.

If you're looking for an aggressive MC, I don't think this game is it.

 

[motseer]

While I can understand your point, I have to say that it's isn't an accurate portrayal of MC. You're right that he's smart, but it's exactly because he's smart that he knows that it isn't in his best interest to start conflict with a professor. Yes, he has the advantage, but he doesn't need the win because the professor is not his enemy. Fighting would only lead to both sides suffering losses. Yes, he's bigger than her, but bullying is something that he doesn't do. The interaction has nothing to do with him being 18 and her being a dominatrix. He didn't fight back because there's no reason to fight. It's much more beneficial for them to work together. Professor got to keep her secret, MC got the professor's support on obtaining key to the library.

If you're looking for an aggressive MC, I don't think this game is it.

Spoken like a true pacifist. I don't mean that derogatorily. It's just different from my taste. I didn't say anything about fighting and the age difference and lack of professionalism along with her demonstrated sexual proclivities has everything to do with everything. This story is about a charismatic young lad with a talent for argument and persuasion. My argument is simply that passivity (in this particular conversation) does not suit the character. IMO. Wouldn't it have been better if the Prof had acted reasonably rather than coming at an 18 year old with sexual innuendo, barely veiled humiliating and condescending attitude and top it off with an actual threat?

I think I portrayed the scene very accurately; both the MC and the Prof. My sticking point is simply that I didn't like seeing that dom bitch get away with it. I feel confident I could write that scene so that MC leaves the Prof lying in her own "verbal pool of blood". I don't see it changing anything for MC in the future and the only way any relationship between MC and the Prof develops is if the Prof changes her attitude. Frankly, I could care less about her character going forward.

 

[motseer]

I loved MrMaya's previous game, especially the sweet and gorgeous LIs there, but here, I have to agree. Never understood the appeal in public sex in reality, what would that be ?? And why bitch about it and try to make ridiculous excuses if you get caught ?? If someone gets excited soo much by doing it outdoors, they should be just as excited when having to deal with the consequences of their stupid decisions. Ridiculous and plain stupid.

In our fictional case, the MC is, like you said, a very tall, fit, smart and wicked-tongued kinda motherfucker, former captain of his high school basketball team, he even proudly sports a modern Hitler hairstyle without giving a shit about trolls crucifying him for that (MisterMaya, c'mon man, out of ALL Daz hairstyles, you pick that ??), all these advantages and his big magical MC dick and, despite having the upper hand in this lil incident, he turns into a submissive, spineless wimp for some bitch he could give less of a fuck about ?? Hell nah, that don't make sense, and the "she's the teacher, he's her student" excuse flew out the window the next second those two idiotic bitches in heat 'shockingly' got caught by a supposedly smart student. I'm almost sure Mike would become a spineless wimp too, if he was in MC's shoes.

There's other oopsies like this one other users have already pointed out and that hopefully will be fixed in the next update, but I sincerely hope that everything femdom, wannabe dominatrix-related will be completely avoidable, cuz I don't really want to see my MC become a sissy ass submissive clown embarrassing himself and the word "man" in front of some random bitch with issues that sounds like she needs a 10inch dick balls deep up her ass ASAP. And where's that crazy self-proclaimed wannabe sheriff when you need him to serve the punishments for all those consequences he bored us with ??

Same here, bro'. Love the story, but all the potential mistress-dominatrix vibe she gave off pissed me off a lil, cuz every reasonable man with a decently-sized dick in his pants would've reminded that bitch that HE is in charge and that she should check her tone when threatening him to his face. I'm not surprised the librarian turned out to be a sub, but I don't know why I'm suspecting she's only submissive with the bitchy professor, not with the MC.

Damn, man! This post is damn near grounds for a bromance, dude! Jus' Sayin'

 

[xXwankerXx]

It's crazy how it seems like the main character in this game is more interested in gaining access to the library after-hours, than he is in the women in the game.

Well, that library has seen its fair share of after-hour 'action' and is occasionally still doing it when those lesbians do their thing there, but it must've been closed after hours for most students cause of some of them using it for quickies, drinking, and fuck knows what else, considering even the holier-than-thou librarian gets spanked and fucked there.

Now we know why Caroline is an expert in oral expression and is teaching her students how to use their mouths the right way. She must do a hell of a good job with her tongue on that nerd's pussy, judging by how much of a good girl she was. And ppl said Jade's class was complete nonsense. Imagine having a daughter in a prestigious college and hearing her say she was praised by her professors for her great oral skills. You simply cannot get the wrong idea about this.

You're right that he's smart, but it's exactly because he's smart that he knows that it isn't in his best interest to start conflict with a professor. Yes, he has the advantage, but he doesn't need the win because the professor is not his enemy. Fighting would only lead to both sides suffering losses.

Nah, I think in this case, the problem is the lack of respect she showed and how she expressed herself.

The wannabe mistress was pretty aggressive there, even if her ass was figuratively in MC's hands, and that's when we should've had a choice on how the MC responds to her, choices that would later lead to maledom with her and her bitch or femdom, for the players who're into this type of stuff, if MisterMaya wants it in his game.

She tried to pull some ridiculous 'argument' out of her ass to convince the MC it's mostly HIS fault that SHE and her submissive bitch are playing lovers on college property without even bothering to lock the door first, which begs the question, how would SHE have reacted in his place ?? You think she'd be as calm or 'smart' about it as the MC was ?? Obvious answer is no, and we'd have two scenarios, the more realistic scenario, where she'd report both of them to the dean and get them expelled OR the fictional, porn 'logic' one, where she'd abuse her power to fuck the MC's woman in front of him. This is simple speculation on my part, cuz there won't be any NTR in a MisterMaya game till somebody bribes him good enough, but that's details.

Some players may have a problem with how the scene played out and the teacher's attitude toward the MC, this is why we need choices on how to proceed so everybody can decide which is the right approach for them.

If you're looking for an aggressive MC, I don't think this game is it.

Maybe not, but nothing in the story, except, to a degree, that incident, suggests he's a wimp either.

 

[Skylaroo]

Spoken like a true pacifist. I don't mean that derogatorily. It's just different from my taste.

No offense taken at all. Thank you for exactly describing the MC (he is a pacifist) and realizing that he's different from your taste. The core of your issue is that MC doesn't behave the way you would've. That's fine. You just have to learn to accept that the MC is not you.

This story is about a charismatic young lad with a talent for argument and persuasion. My argument is simply that passivity (in this particular conversation) does not suit the character.

What you're missing here is that just because he has a talent for argument and persuasion, it doesn't mean that he's actively pursuing to start arguments just because he can win the argument. The smart part is realizing when to argue and when to not. It's very clear that in this situation that the benefit from not arguing (gaining the professor as an ally) is better than arguing.

Wouldn't it have been better if the Prof had acted reasonably rather than coming at an 18 year old with sexual innuendo, barely veiled humiliating and condescending attitude and top it off with an actual threat?

Sure. But that is all to do with the professor's character. It has nothing to do with MC's character. You put so much emphasis on professor's action to try to justify your reaction, and I have no issue with your own reaction. It's simply a fact of life that some people are more/less prone to taking offense than others. MC even said it himself that he doesn't care about Caroline's relationship with Selena.

My sticking point is simply that I didn't like seeing that dom bitch get away with it. I feel confident I could write that scene so that MC leaves the Prof lying in her own "verbal pool of blood".

I don't doubt your ability to rewrite the scene as per your imagination. I just don't think your version is consistent with MC's character. All of your reasoning above is very personal and based on basically wanting to teach the professor a lesson. MC has shown no such desire at all throughout the game. What we've shown in the game is how focused MC is about his studies, and not starting a conflict with the professor is consistent with it.

Some players may have a problem with how the scene played out and the teacher's attitude toward the MC, this is why we need choices on how to proceed so everybody can decide which is the right approach for them.

I'm just speaking in general here. It's impossible to create a game with that kind of freedom because ultimately you are playing someone else's game with their MC. I understand you want to shape MC to be like you (thus, taking the "right approach" according to you), but I've said it multiple times in the past in other threads and I'll say it here too, this is an issue for people who self-insert themselves to MC. And this will continue to be an issue as long as players continue to self-insert themselves.

Maybe not, but nothing in the story, except, to a degree, that incident, suggests he's a wimp either.

I agree, but the part I disagree with is your implication that by not being aggressive, he's being a wimp. So far, MC is a pacifist. Even when faced with a potential blackmail (no matter how stupid that photo is), he didn't become aggressive. When he talked to Will in class and Jessica very rudely cut him off, he didn't make a big deal out of it. When he helped Will from Jessica during the party, he chose subterfuge and not direct confrontation. When he helped Olive for being late to her group meeting, his focus was to calm the others down first. And probably more that doesn't immediately come to mind.

From what I can see, it seems the issue is that the two of you (and others who think alike as you) consider the Caroline scene to be a much bigger deal than what MC does. This is because you approached the situation as a player with the mind of wanting to bang/dominate the professor, so your immediate reaction is how to turn the table. MC has no such thought because his goal is just to get the key to the library, so keeping secret of something that he wasn't planning to tell anyone to begin with anyway is no big deal, and he gained an ally for that by not being aggressive and starting unnecessary conflict with the professor. The dev is writing MC's story. You are writing your story.

I appreciate that you disagree with MC's action, and that's fine because you're allowed to have feelings. Unfortunately, you are just different than MC.

 

[Blizzard99]

Wouldn't be surprised if that turned out to be true, but I'm suspecting the current college owner is his bio dad.

Yeah, I think that's a possibility. I suspect there would be some hints once the MC meets him.

Lol, those are not OP character traits man, they're just a few traits a lot of real persons have making the MC sound and act realistic, something that's severely lacking in adult games for whatever reasons. We don't have enough information so far to say this with certainty, but I don't think Mike's too OP either. And the MC does have flaws, the fact that he's adopted is still a delicate subject for him, the rest, hopefully not too many, remain to be seen in the next updates.

It's not OP when he's good at one of them and above average at others, but he's pretty much in the top 1 percentile in all those traits for the guys/girls of his age and studying in one of the top 3 law universities in the country. I suppose a few irl people could be as multi-talented, but not every person might have met such multi-talented people. MC is like an one in a million. Hence, why I consider him to be OP.

I do not truly mind OP characters, if I've made the journey with him to his OPness. But in this scenario he's OP before we meet him itself and is constantly hyped up about it by Rose.

I suppose his hang-ups about his adopted status could be a flaw, but it's not something that's apparent to those around him which means that he has a good control over his emotions and he's secure about his status in his adoptive family. It could prove to be a hurdle, if the MC would have to choose between his biological fam and his adoptive fam. But until then, I'm not convinced that or I haven't seen enough to be convinced that his adoptive status bothers him too much.

Thinking about it now and with all those complaints about it, I feel the MC's biggest flaw is his lack of spine when confronted by dominant women. Perhaps, the MC could recognize it and take steps to counter it?

 

[xXwankerXx]

I understand you want to shape MC to be like you (thus, taking the "right approach" according to you), but I've said it multiple times in the past in other threads and I'll say it here too, this is an issue for people who self-insert themselves to MC. And this will continue to be an issue as long as players continue to self-insert themselves.

Wrong, and just like you probably got tired of saying that, I'm getting tired of saying this... I don't know why anyone would want to self-insert themselves as the MC in a porn game, when most of them are horrible persons or too wimpy, insecure and introverted to even sound remotely believable, BUT I'm not one of them, and just cuz I want to have a few options to decide how the story plays out, it only means that I want to have the possibility to make the right or wrong choices. It's how games, AAA games included, are usually designed to be and what makes them fun to play.

The fact that someone is a cold-hearted killer in GTA, Mortal Kombat, or whatever other game, doesn't mean that they're the same type of ppl IRL too. This is fiction, you do here what you ain't allowed by law, logic and morals to do IRL, no self-insertion required for this.

From what I can see, it seems the issue is that the two of you (and others who think alike as you) consider the Caroline scene to be a much bigger deal than what MC does.

Actually no, it's just that her character screams femdom from the top of her lungs, and I'd personally prefer something like this was completely optional and avoidable. A matter of tastes and preferences, you know ?? It's why I said we need a few important choices on how the MC reacts in certain situations and to certain characters like Caroline, Andrea, or Jessica. A cosmic bitch slap or two followed by a barrage of insults for Jessica's crazy ass like the Tyballs slow-mo punch would be a pretty funny and satisfying fan service moment, IMO.

This is because you approached the situation as a player with the mind of wanting to bang/dominate the professor, so your immediate reaction is how to turn the table. MC has no such thought because his goal is just to get the key to the library, so keeping secret of something that he wasn't planning to tell anyone to begin with anyway is no big deal

We agree to disagree. Her tone and shitty attitude in the post-incident conversation rubbed me and a few other users the wrong way and sounded pretty stupid for a professor at a prestigious law school in her situation for which SHE and her GF are the only ones to blame. Let's not forget the walmart sheriff's incessant yapping about "anyone getting caught breaking the rules will suffer the consequences", unless you a horny professor apparently, but you don't taunt or threaten a person having dirt on you trying to prove you're still a confident bitch cuz it can and will easily backfire.

I'm not that much into Caroline's fake-tanned Tifa character model, so I'm probably one of the few who doesn't wanna bang her, but I'd bang the shit out of Selena just to spite her GF's dumb, arrogant ass.

he gained an ally for that by not being aggressive and starting unnecessary conflict with the professor. The dev is writing MC's story.

In this type of situation, I wouldn't consider my 'ally' a person who has dirt on me that could get me fired from my job and whose promise is the only thing that stops them from ruining my and my GF's future. It sounds ridiculous, just like Andrea's 'brilliant' idea of a blackmail... real ppl simply ain't hardwired like that, but guess we'll have to agree to disagree again.

 

[xXwankerXx]

I suspect there would be some hints once the MC meets him.

He'll probably give him some bullshit excuse like him being too young and stupid to care of the MC or wanting him to become independent and struggle from an early age to see how hard life is for a lot of ppl who don't have financial possibilities and that he always helped him out from behind the scenes... or something like that.

I suppose his hang-ups about his adopted status could be a flaw, but it's not something that's apparent to those around him which means that he has a good control over his emotions and he's secure about his status in his adoptive family.

I'm not convinced that or I haven't seen enough to be convinced that his adoptive status bothers him too much.

The MC made it clear both to Rose, his oldest and most trusted friend, and Lana that he consider his adoptive parents to be his real parents and isn't interested in knowing his biological ones. His current parents always treated him as their biological son and never gave him the impression that he was a stranger in that house, which technically and biologically speaking, he is, and always supported him and his decisions when he needed it, but if you replay a few scenes, you'll see how he sad looks whenever someone mentions his biological parents. It's understandable why, and Mike being adopted too, can sympathize with him better than most characters in the story do. Maybe they'll eventually become friends and team up on cases, who knows, but so far, they seem like two great characters you rarely see in porn games. MisterMaya did a great job with these two.

Thinking about it now and with all those complaints about it, I feel the MC's biggest flaw is his lack of spine when confronted by dominant women. Perhaps, the MC could recognize it and take steps to counter it?

Glad you mentioned this, cuz that's exactly what I pointed out in my last two replies to the guy above saying the MC was only a simple 'pacifist', but speaking from a realistic POV, we all know what most women, and ppl in general, think of 'pacifists' like him. This isn't a good character trait to have for someone who aspires to be the best lawyer in that fictional country.

 

[Blizzard99]

Maybe they'll eventually become friends and team up on cases, who knows, but so far, they seem like two great characters you rarely see in porn games. MisterMaya did a great job with these two.

I loved that about this game! Most AVNs in college settings make the rivalries to be quite childish. A healthy rivalry where both characters acknowledge each other's strengths and look forward to outperforming their rival is quite unique.

 

[Davai099]

Is interracial planned?

 

[Jimayo]

Who the fuck thinks they are gonna get in trouble or busted for theft for playing around with a basketball they found on the ground? And he's trying to become a lawyer.

 

[cxx]

Is interracial planned?

if you mean bbc then unlikely.

 

[Davai099]

if you mean bbc then unlikely.

No, I mean the girl with the big afro hair.

 

[Jimayo]

No, I mean the girl with the big afro hair.

Why? She's a loon. Never stick your dick in crazy.

 

[Hengat]

Damn, I preferred Lana with pink hair.

 

[Krytax123]

Damn, I preferred Lana with pink hair.

I dont think she looked too pretty with pink hair already and the blonde hair made it only worse

 

[PeopleCallMeSmile]

No, I mean the girl with the big afro hair.

I think yes, in a manwhore route maybe.

 

[Ancient Devil]

Damn, I preferred Lana with pink hair.

Same here.
I was waiting for a scene with her and when that happened it left me disappointed.

 

[CallmeNikki]

It is honestly hard to believe that this game is from the same dev as "The Entrepreneur"
I mean, the conversations are so stupid it makes u think that dev really never had one himself
"We need to make them pay for tricking u, MC"
"How?"
"Let's put the alarm under their bed and set the clock at 3 am!"
"Ahahahaha let's goooooooo"
I mean, all the conversations are like that since the demo part ends
I hope it will be better with next update

 

[Dessolos]

It is honestly hard to believe that this game is from the same dev as "The Entrepreneur"
I mean, the conversations are so stupid it makes u think that dev really never had one himself
"We need to make them pay for tricking u, MC"
"How?"
"Let's put the alarm under their bed and set the clock at 3 am!"
"Ahahahaha let's goooooooo"
I mean, all the conversations are like that since the demo part ends
I hope it will be better with next update

yet to play the update only the demo it's next on my list. But from that example it sounds like it's just for some silly fun at a attempt of humor which might or might not land depending on who you ask. Which is something I don't mind as long as that isn't the entire game but it being a mix of that with some seriousness.