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For those of you that think Yasu didn't see Sekai during "Shelter".

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That Yasu hears Sekai (if that really is Sekai, but i assume it), seems to be given.
Would she only "hear" her, i think she'd rather mistake it for the bunny talking, like: "Oh Penemue, you can talk now!".
But she's looking up and Sekai in her face.

So i guess it's not a "Who is there?", but a "Who are you?"
This doesn't mean she saw, she could be able to hear without seeing Sekai. Also, yeah, that dress is definitely Sekai.
 

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"Who Are You?" was the thematic question the Vorlons would ask of others, most memorably by the inquisitor who interrogates Delenn and Sheridan as to their motivations for taking up their role in the coming conflict.

"What Do You Want?" was the thematic question from the Shadows. Mr Morden in particular asked this of a number of characters, most memorably Londo Mollari (with disastrous results in the long run) and Vir Cotto (who is about the only character whose answer comes to pass with few or no negative consequences). Also Sheridan asked this of Kosh who, quite sternly for him, responded by saying "Never Ask That Question".

"Where Are You Going?" was added by Lorien following Sheridans long fall at Z'Ha'Dum.

A couple of others that could be added to these are "Who Do You Serve?" and "Who Do You Trust?" which were asked by the TechnoMage Galen on B5 Crusade. They may have become arc questions had the show not been cancelled.


Aaaannnddd I've just exposed my age and geekiness now haven't I. Nevermind here I go crawling back under my rock.
I liked the show too, till the old ones left for the beyond.
After that, it just went down.
I wonder though what happened to Sheridan's and Delenn's son, in detail.
In some of the epilogue material it's hinted at what happened.
The Shadow adversaries, the Drak/dak?, whatever, who planted that invisible thing on Mollari seem to have done some stuff.

There is, or will be, a new animated movie, which i'll watch when i find it.
 

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This doesn't mean she saw, she could be able to hear without seeing Sekai. Also, yeah, that dress is definitely Sekai.
Of course we have no proof she saw, that's the point of Sel cutting the sentence (probably).
But why does she look up then?
I especially posted the pictures in sequence, to point that out.

It most probably is Sekai, yeah. The dress, the way she talks.
I just wanted to leave some room for other possibilities, like shapeshifters and whatnot, before i say it's definitely Sekai.
 

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I liked the show too, till the old ones left for the beyond.
After that, it just went down.
I wonder though what happened to Sheridan's and Delenn's son, in detail.
In some of the epilogue material it's hinted at what happened.
The Shadow adversaries, the Drak/dak?, whatever, who planted that invisible thing on Mollari seem to have done some stuff.

There is, or will be, a new animated movie, which i'll watch when i find it.
From what I understand a big part of why it dropped in quality after the Old Ones left was there was a lot of doubt as to whether it would get picked up for the fifth season and in order to wrap up all the different plot threads the Shadow War Arc got compressed and the Earth Civil War Arc took the remainder of the Fourth Season which meant the Fifth season when it did happen didn't have the benefit of build up the rest did. Would have been interesting if they could have had a bit more of a dragged out Shadow War Arc that could really delve into he apocalyptic galaxy changing nature of the conflict with the Earth Civil War Arc taking place towards the end of the fourth season into the fifth allowing for a better denouement towards the end of the fifth.

I kinda wish they could do an HD remaster pass of the footage and update the CGI with todays tech and a decent budget (as opposed to the Lost Tales dross that they tried)
 

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Of course we have no proof she saw, that's the point of Sel cutting the sentence (probably).
But why does she look up then?
I especially posted the pictures in sequence, to point that out.

It most probably is Sekai, yeah. The dress, the way she talks.
I just wanted to leave some room for other possibilities, like shapeshifters and whatnot, before i say it's definitely Sekai.
Oh definitely, he loves to do these things, leaving the reader hanging on a cliff with more questions than answers. It's supposed to draw people into waiting for the next installment of the plot point in question.

As for why she looks up, sound is directional, she could be looking in the direction of the voice, which would match the direction Sekai is standing in. The only way this would be less likely is if they were in an extremely resonant space where sound was bouncing in every direction and throwing off her ability to pinpoint the direction from which it originated.

It could be a shapeshifter, yeah, I'm just saying that is definitely Sekai in appearance. The dress and every other part we see is definitely her, but what we don't know is whether that's actually Sekai looking like Sekai or someone taking her appearance for some reason. A big question would be why, why would they take Sekai's form? I don't see anyone that is on the same side of things as Sekai having any reason, so the only ones I can think of would be the side against her and I can't think of a reason they would.
 

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Actually this reminded me, my eyes are apparently shit, so is the Moon behind Sensei purple, or is it actually blue and the red tint just makes it look purplish:
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If it's purple, then I'm not sure what it's meant to represent. If it's blue, then it's probably meant to represent Ayane/The Shapeshifter or something.
I would say blue for the aura but left side looks more like purple xdd
 
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Not gonna lie, this is my biggest fear with LiL. Especially with how unstable Sel is.
I don't see it, what I see in Sel is someone who is fine with fictional content of a certain variety, the wizards. He's essentially the same as I am in that regard, we both accept wizard content in fiction. What the SO dev is accused of is going after actual people, which is not the same thing. Well, I mean, it is the same legally in the place that reported on what the SO dev did because that place doesn't discriminate between fiction and reality, but the place where Sel is from does.

Honestly, never was a fan of SO, but considering how obsessed I've become with LiL... if it turns out Sel is the same and this game ends because of that.

Disappointed would be a huge understatement. Sickened as well.
Honestly, same, I gave it a try and it just didn't have the appeal on either side of the porn vs story fence that LiL sits firmly on the story side of. It was trying to be like LiL without the Denpa elements (not saying it copied LiL, it did not), which just doesn't work. That's why the Denpa elements aren't skippable in LiL, because they are essential, and that was a big mistake in the purpose of SO as explained by the SO dev. The story is why we play LiL and LiL without the Denpa elements would just be...uneventful and boring with the rest of the story the way it is. LiL would essentially have to be rebuilt from the ground up in order to remove the Denpa elements.
 
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I tried SO a while back, and the whole time I was playing I wished the characters were the ones from LiL, so I deleted it.
 

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I think Sel is a narcissistic asshole but i don't think he is pedo. And as for So I played it in its infancy and it felt like a shittier lil with shitty character models.
 

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Oh definitely, he loves to do these things, leaving the reader hanging on a cliff with more questions than answers. It's supposed to draw people into waiting for the next installment of the plot point in question.

As for why she looks up, sound is directional, she could be looking in the direction of the voice, which would match the direction Sekai is standing in. The only way this would be less likely is if they were in an extremely resonant space where sound was bouncing in every direction and throwing off her ability to pinpoint the direction from which it originated.

It could be a shapeshifter, yeah, I'm just saying that is definitely Sekai in appearance. The dress and every other part we see is definitely her, but what we don't know is whether that's actually Sekai looking like Sekai or someone taking her appearance for some reason. A big question would be why, why would they take Sekai's form? I don't see anyone that is on the same side of things as Sekai having any reason, so the only ones I can think of would be the side against her and I can't think of a reason they would.
I definitely think the Sekai that's around is actually "The World Itself", that Yasu has mentioned before:
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And I think the only side it's really on is maybe Nao's:
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Hence the "we" here.

Why it takes Sekai's form seems to be for two reasons: Sekai translates to World, and they share a similar mindset and role. It's reasoning behind it's form seems comparable to Nao's.

Of course, I don't think anyone really takes this seriously, lmao. I've decided to label it the "Sekai-spiracy".

Nevertheless:
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hmm despite meeting all said requirements already, I can only trigger it after finishing other events available at the moment (for now I can't tell which one is needed; perhaps prerequisites on wiki are incomplete?)
Regardless, if you have a guide mod installed, progress with other people first, and Under the World Tree will trigger eventually (verified by specifically using your save)
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Edit: finish all your Ami invite-over til you finish her 3rd event Best Friend Forever. Afterwards Under the World Tree triggered for me; perhaps one of the stated prerequisites "Cold Air of an Encroaching Winter " isn't correct.
Edit2: confirmed; Under the World Tree can be triggered by just editing the amiinvite3 flag to true
Thank you very much for taking the time to help me out, I figured I likely had to finish someone else's events, but didn't feel like trying them 1 by 1 until I could actually progress, I assume maybe there was a change in .34 or something bugged
 
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How do I go about updating the game, do I need to install the whole game again? And if so how do I keep my save, I'll do some more research but I wanna get this question out there.
 

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You know, the fact that Kaori more or less kidnapped a kid and is apparently now dressing up as a cop with that kid, is a little.. ironic. I feel like there's a better word for it, but that fits I suppose.

Also, I sincerely hope Otoha doesn't try to get some sort of indirect kiss from Niki or something. I always find that kind of stuff creepy and gross.

As for the Touka Kirin one, maybe Touka is starting to get a little jealous after her talk about Sensei with her mom?
 

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How do I go about updating the game, do I need to install the whole game again? And if so how do I keep my save, I'll do some more research but I wanna get this question out there.
To update, just add the .34 update to the .33 version you already have. If you don't have that version though, you'll have to download the .34 version. Then just move your saves to that.
 

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I don't see it, what I see in Sel is someone who is fine with fictional content of a certain variety, the wizards. He's essentially the same as I am in that regard, we both accept wizard content in fiction. What the SO dev is accused of is going after actual people, which is not the same thing. Well, I mean, it is the same legally in the place that reported on what the SO dev did because that place doesn't discriminate between fiction and reality, but the place where Sel is from does.


Honestly, same, I gave it a try and it just didn't have the appeal on either side of the porn vs story fence that LiL sits firmly on the story side of. It was trying to be like LiL without the Denpa elements (not saying it copied LiL, it did not), which just doesn't work. That's why the Denpa elements aren't skippable in LiL, because they are essential, and that was a big mistake in the purpose of SO as explained by the SO dev. The story is why we play LiL and LiL without the Denpa elements would just be...uneventful and boring with the rest of the story the way it is. LiL would essentially have to be rebuilt from the ground up in order to remove the Denpa elements.
My main gripe with SO really just came down to how it rubbed me the wrong way.

The immaturity of the characters with memes, weed, and potty humor coming up quite a bit, stacked onto how choices either didn't seem to matter, or lead to exaggerated outcomes, and in retrospect how blackmailing and lewd pics of underage girls through out the story seemed to be natural(?). I feel like if the Yumi Nodoka stuff happened in SO, it'd be considered "hot", and Nodoka would have came out mentioning she just took a huge shit before blackmailing Yumi.

I think I quit playing after feeling annoyed by other MCs messing around with the MC's aunt in the background, disturbed by the fact a version of the MC's aunt apparently licked up dog cum and may have been fucked by a chicken, and weirded out by how one of the new students found being cornered by the MC in a dressing room at a store, if I remember correctly, "so hot". Not to mention, there was only like one girl I actually felt entertained by, through out what I played, and where the story was going with her was probably my main interest, which I guess I'll never know now.

Honestly, if it was more like LiL then I'd probably had liked it more. It felt like almost the opposite in retrospect.

Edit: This was one of my only comments in that game's thread:
So, am I playing the game wrong or
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I was hoping for something like Lessons in Love, but this game is more or less The Hana to LIL's Chinaka if you get what I mean. I also did not do Hana's route apparently, (First play through so far) so that is the version of the characters I'm referring to. Of course, I could have just made a bunch of wrong choices so if that's the case, feel free to enlighten me on what choices I should have chosen.
Could have probably been nicer, lmao.

The game really just rubbed me the wrong way, I guess.
 
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Kinda wishing you guys would take the SO discussion elsewhere, i have to deal with knowing i gave money to that piece of shit several times, i really really liked that game up until the last transfer-reset-fusion thing but now i don't even want to be reminded of it, cleaned all files from it off of my computer and deleted the links. I just want to forget it existed.
 

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Works with me, and speaking of forgetting, which kind of Sensei are you all rooting for?

The one that Sensei is becoming, where he can't help but share his "feelings". The one that loves Niki:
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Or the one who considers that version of himself, not him. The one that Nodoka loves:
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Edit: I suppose I forgot one side of Sensei due to it rarely showing up. The side of Sensei that sees himself as real, and everyone else as fleshlights. The one likely favorited by Yasu's god:
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Which side will you be on when the rope snaps?
 
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