alex2011

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Just wait until I reach my final form and start putting procedurally generated answers into the game so people can’t share how to get through events anymore.
Is that a challenge I hear?

and we all know who to blame for a knife in the back now... clearly noriko
Or maybe that's what someone wants us to think just so she can be with HER Sensei.

I can't wait for you to have enough skills to screw with the games base code enough to pull that off with out causing the game to be ruined like so many others that use Koikatsu. unless I horribly misunderstood how this coding thing works because that sounds hard as fuck.
It is hard, but not so hard that it would screw up the game like you're saying. It would just take A LOT to implement. This isn't like procedural generation of characters, these are just text lines and bits of code that would be randomized so that no two experiences are the same.

Then people will just start sharing saves after that event, never underestimate how far some people will go in order to not play the games that they "play".
Like the people that just want to rush through a MMO as fast as they can to get to endgame, and then quit when they get there cause there's "no content".
There's a lot of those in my favorite MMO, and here I am just creating as faithful a collection of ships to the source as I can.

What do you mean? That is literally playing it early.

It will be released in the future, therefore playing it before you are able to obtain it for free is playing it early.
What I said is it wasn't JUST playing it early. Playing it early on its own is a patron reward, but these are not patrons.

I've been comparing koitatsu games recently and it seems like this game is the most successful one in terms of monthly patreon money. I don't really get why though? I tried it, saw a few of those scary scenes, got bored and deleted it without ever looking back. How does this earn more money than say Corrupted Kingdoms for example? Or Champion of Realms?
Because, and I am sorry to the Corrupted Kingdoms and Champion of Realms developers since I am a fan of those games as well, though not a patron, this one is MUCH better written. Those two focus largely on the sex to get it to sell, but this one relies on its writing, making a much better overall game whereas the others are much better if we were to compare them as porn games, which this one has been stated not to be by the developer.

Selebus I now want the next halloween event to be murder mansion mystery at Tubasa's, someone unimportant dies... like Joffery... or just some random dude named Matthew. The phones are out and sensei has to deduce and seduce the correct sus out of hiding
Please...not Geoffrey, anyone but him or the girls. :cry:

"the best VN out there." Those are some big words. I dunno about that fantastic content to be honest. The games I mentioned look better, have better sex scenes and also feature a decent story. I do liked the horror bits, with those "smile" scenes, but they're also not really that high quality.
Big words, but well earned. The games don't look that much different appearance wise except for characters unique to them, they all use the same art style, quite literally. They have a decent story, but this one goes well beyond decent. They may have better sex scenes, sorry Selebus, have to give him that, but that's again because sex is a focal point of those games because they are porn games. This one does NOT focus on sex because its writing is the focal point and it is not a porn game.

corrupted kingdom stole many of its assets from other peoples works which soured some fans into not paying for it at all. Champion of realms... its level of writing....well... it's fucking bad, like naruto bad, it's chunibyo, except its like it isn't even aware its chunibyo.
I wouldn't say the writing is bad necessarily, but it isn't great. This one is indeed great. Also, you lost me when you called out Naruto, again, not bad, but not great.

"Stole many assets." How? None of the assets are original, they're all from koitatsu.
As for Champion of Realms rather plays typical Shounen Anime tropes but I like how it combines several stereotypical Anime tropes and makes sense out of them.
Well and how is this game any better in terms of writing in your opinion? I'm just seeing ddlc with other characters.
Well then try to sell me on it, what are its strengths? I'm genuinely curious and don't get at all how this is the most successful koitatsu game right now. Is it the mix with horror? Or are the characters interesting? Although personally I didn't notice that to be honest.
The story is much more coherent than your two examples combined for one. It actually makes the characters seem human, they have faults, they have fears, they are easy to connect with. The others have none of that, not that they have to, but it does diminish their quality.

None the game sucks don’t play it
I bet you haven't even played it
It’s too hard to find events and there isn’t enough sex. 4/10
You two are a freaking riot, here I am actually being serious and genuine and you two are throwing up comments like this, it's hilarious.

you can literally go through the thread of corrupted kingdom and find like 20 pages text of when the the creator had to change the character designs because he got legal papers served from when he stole them. he had a massive loss in revenue from when that happened. (you will find me there pissed at how the tree trunk thighs are gone... I dont mean thighs the size of tree trunks, I MEAN THIGHS THAT ARE MADE OF TREES.)

and champion of realms is stereotypical shounen with no exposition story build up and straight "oooooh fight for no reason, now look at tits you didnt have to really earn but get to fondle" from the start. I mean it might not be fair to the game that my impression is the first 30-45 mins of gameplay... but really
I completely forgot that happened, and I was there at that point as well, though I tend to lurk.

probably an additional reason for selebus's success though is he reached out to other game makers like hero's harem guild (still better than both the games you mentioned even if the last time I heard anything about it was over half a year ago) and advertised between discord and patreon groups
That is a good point and I would accept HHG being better than the other two more than the other two being bad.

Yeah I obviously don’t know the whole situation because I’ve never played CK, but any legal action that was taken against Ark would have been from the creators of the assets he pulled from. It would not have come from Illusion. I can’t stress enough that Illusion does not own everything made using their products.
I mean, there's a reason they themselves haven't cracked down on developers that use their products.

If a company shows zero interest in protecting their assets over years worth of time, they’re abandoning their product. It’s similar to why Thermos lost copyright over their product the “Thermos” because they never bothered going after anyone who used the word to describe their own personal product. In order for Illusion to protect the assets you think they own for some reason, they would have needed to not go 10+ years without taking any action against people using them
Not to mention there is a time limit on that protection and it has to be renewed after that limit expires or the assets are fair game. Copyrights are NEVER permanent, which is why you will often see the copyright date on a long term product change, such as MMOs.

That is simply a childish outlook on things. You think if you put a legit price tag on your game and put it on steam, Illusion will just ignore that? Well and I'd argue they do protect their assets, you're not some kind of rivaling company that tries to sell those assets or profit from using those assets in a copyright protected game.
Yeah, they would. Illusion has been pretty clear over the decades that they don't care enough to take action. Otherwise there wouldn't be a giant modding community behind multiple games that have never been released outside of Japan. That is not to say that there is no fault, I'm not going to even get into that, but they won't come after anyone using their assets for other games. That was the whole purpose of the StudioNeo and CharStudio programs in the first place.

Anyway how does everyone feel about lesbians
The more the merrier applies in my case.

So long as Rin is involved, sign me up :)
Especially if Rin is involved.

Any proof that this is the case? Are there any official statements/lawsuits/interviews/etc from Illusion?



We need a Rin/Otoha/Kaori threesome :love:.

Also, I didn't now you gave up a future in law to work on this game. That's a big commitment :oops:
Nope, though they did dislike when Fakku tried to enforce on Honey Select 1. Also, yes, that would be the ultimate pairing, make it a foursome, even, with us involved.

Truly an entertaining and enjoyable conversation to read through, I cannot believe so many lawyers all find a way to meet through this game.
That is actually, kind of impressive. At least it isn't all of them teaming up against the game, as odd as Selebus going against his own game sounds.

Welp, I've missed all the heat. Oh, well.
As did I, love when I sleep through the good stuff, but I figured I would still chime in.
 

PrimeGuy

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I wouldn't go that far and I mean I'm just one guy who didn't like it. I was just curious and thought maybe your fans could tell me what they like so much about your game. My comments are not meant to be taken as me trying to prove its not good. I just have a different opinion and would like to hear other opinions on it. I'm clearly in the minority here anyway right?
For me it's the depth of the characters. They're very unique and whole people, complete with damage, as well as things that make them worth that damage. You can see some thought to psychology in them, and their development.

For the record though, it's okay to not like a thing that's popular. Just means you have different tastes.
 

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ok, random question.. how the hell do you pronounce Uta's name? is it you-ta or oo-ta?
I've always assumed oo-ta, cause the game is set in Japan, and Uta is Japanese so it follows that her name should use Japanese pronunciation of うた (which means "Song", idk if that's ever going to be relevant).
 
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I don't like milk convince me I should

Edit: DO IT NOW FUCKER
because it is healthier than options like soda or energy drinks and yet also has a taste that is very different from water for when you don't want to drink water.

It also wouldn't keep you up with caffeine like coffee would.
 
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alex2011

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ok, random question.. how the hell do you pronounce Uta's name? is it you-ta or oo-ta?
Same like utada hikaru i assumed.
The second pronunciation is correct, the first would be spelled yuta or yuuta.

I don't like milk convince me I should

Edit: DO IT NOW FUCKER
Milk is delicious and has many benefits from stronger bones to vitamins necessary for the human body. Are you convinced yet? :p

I've always assumed oo-ta, cause the game is set in Japan, and Uta is Japanese so it follows that her name should use Japanese pronunciation of うた (which means "Song", idk if that's ever going to be relevant).
Right, open vowel sounds, so U is usually an OO sound. Also, don't be surprised if it actually does come up, this is Selebus we're talking about. It could be as minor as missing one scene from a wrong choice or as major as missing an entire answer to a puzzle and being stopped in our tracks.

its a shame we cant get everyone's lust to trigger instead of just a handful
Not every girl in the game is ready to go that far, it will come when they are ready within their story.
 

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There is one thing i've consistently liked about this game from the beginning, and that's the subversion of a lot of the typical harem elements that you find in these games (and animes), i really like that, and the girls are unique enough that they make it work (i was initially worried that you were adding too many but they really work well together).

I know sometimes people here can bring you down, but i wish you the very best and that you can continue working on this game for a very long time :giggle:
 

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Yeah, they would. Illusion has been pretty clear over the decades that they don't care enough to take action. Otherwise there wouldn't be a giant modding community behind multiple games that have never been released outside of Japan. That is not to say that there is no fault, I'm not going to even get into that, but they won't come after anyone using their assets for other games. That was the whole purpose of the StudioNeo and CharStudio programs in the first place.


Nope, though they did dislike when Fakku tried to enforce on Honey Select 1. Also, yes, that would be the ultimate pairing, make it a foursome, even, with us involved.
I don't think it's possible to stress enough how much illusion does not care about us sweaty gaijin. Particularly after the whole rapelay thing

Apart from that, copyright law is shit and people who engage with it professionally should be avoided like the closeted axe-murderers they are. So the idea of engaging with copyright in a different jurisdiction is fucking anathema.

Also, I have presented some utter bullshit to judges, but I'm not sure you could pay me enough to talk to a 60 year old about anime porn.

Although it is a niche, maybe I need to get the text-books out.
 
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I don't think it's possible to stress enough how much illusion does not care about us sweaty gaijin. Particularly after the whole rapelay thing

Apart from that, copyright law is shit and people who engage with it professionally should be avoided like the closeted axe-murderers they are. So the idea of engaging with copyright in a different jurisdiction is fucking anathema.

Also, I have presented some utter bullshit to judges, but I'm not sure you could pay me enough to talk to a 60 year old about anime porn.

Although it is a niche, maybe I need to get the text-books out.
Wear the ahegao shirt into court for best impression in case you wanna talk about anime porn. You are gonna be the MVP.
 

Kitsune241

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I always find it weird that native english speakers have problems with pronouncing japanese names. Kind of annoys me for no reason.
Why would that be weird or annoying?
Sure the rules for Japanese pronunciation are simpler than English but if it's not something a person has ever run into why would you expect them to know about it? It's unlikely I would get the pronunciation of something like a German or Spanish name correct on the first try.
 
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Why would that be weird or annoying?
Sure the rules for Japanese pronunciation are simpler than English but if it's not something a person has ever run into why would you expect them to know about it? It's unlikely I would get the pronunciation of something like a German or Spanish name correct on the first try.
As I said, for no reason.
 

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Am i the only person that gets really creeped out by this game? It's not scary in the traditional sense, but i often find myself peeking through my hands when i feel like something "staticky" is gonna happen.

I feel like some of the general ambiguity/confusion also helps with the mood, the occasional dead stops in the music track, those moments when a character says something really odd/serious and the music just cuts off instantly, alongside all the weird visuals.

The last time Sensei harassed Miku and we had her nervous breakdown was genuinely frightening (especially if you play in the dead of night with only a tv turned on as background noise).

In fact, this may be the only game on here that i'd be totally fine with having the sex scenes just excised entirely, i basically just play this game for the mindscrew story and the atmosphere, and i suspect i'm not alone with this train of thought.
 
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