Hey, I love this game and I can't guarantee that when we get to the really bad parts I will be able to stay with it, so I totally get your point.
For me, I interpreted Selebus's most recent comment as him outright wanting us to speak out, so I am doing as he wants. That said, my only intent is to educate about the harm it causes. I actually haven't heard a whole lot of argument A here, other threads, yes, but here it's mostly the use of the 'this is a piracy forum' argument, which doesn't really do much. I have actually never heard argument B, everyone here does seem to acknowledge what they are doing is wrong.
I have most of my music from CDs as well, very little from digital sources because I like to actually have physical media and I don't pirate music at all since there is no real issue with availability.
I've pretty much vowed to stick with it even if I get seriously uncomfortable. I've already had some discomfort from some of the 'happy' scenes, but you already kind of said it, the most severe is yet to come. This ride is far from over.
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The only thing I have to say on the piracy discussion is that:
1) I'm perfectly okay with waiting for the free release of the content. I very much appreciate that Selebus releases their content for free, and thus am happy to wait for it.
2) If it is leaked early, I will download it early. This is because Selebus has said before, they aren't as bothered by the people doing the downloading as they are by the people doing the leaking.
Waiting once it's leaked basically means completely ignoring this thread until I get to play it, or getting things spoiled. I don't have the energy for that effort of will. This is not a call for people to leak the content in any way - I'll never ask that that happen. As I mentioned, I'm perfectly content to wait for the free release.
1) I'm perfectly okay with waiting for the free release of the content. I very much appreciate that Selebus releases their content for free, and thus am happy to wait for it.
2) If it is leaked early, I will download it early. This is because Selebus has said before, they aren't as bothered by the people doing the downloading as they are by the people doing the leaking.
Waiting once it's leaked basically means completely ignoring this thread until I get to play it, or getting things spoiled. I don't have the energy for that effort of will. This is not a call for people to leak the content in any way - I'll never ask that that happen. As I mentioned, I'm perfectly content to wait for the free release.
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I've grown tired of people bringing this topic back because they feel like going on yet another round of condemnation or just to make excuses and justify themselves to complete strangers on the Internet, of all places.
Stop. You won't change any minds. Everything one could possibly say has been said already. Let the corpse of a long dead horse, buried somewhere underneath our feet, rot in peace.
Stop. You won't change any minds. Everything one could possibly say has been said already. Let the corpse of a long dead horse, buried somewhere underneath our feet, rot in peace.
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1. As would I be if I wasn't a patron. In my defense, as weak as my defense is, I didn't know it was getting a free release at all when I was pirating this game.
2. Nope, not me, though I already get the early release legitimately. The thing is, and Selebus didn't cover this part, the leaks and the downloads are connected. If leakers realize there are people downloading, that there is demand for the game outside of the patron realm, they will supply it. By being bothered by the leakers, he is bothered by the downloaders by extension of this connection between the two. You can have leakers without downloaders, though the leakers will stop pretty quick once they realize there is no demand, but you cannot have downloaders without leakers, it's a two way street.
I typically ignore the thread until I play anyway, sometimes I just don't have the time to play immediately, but do have the time to visit the forum.
It's just going to keep coming back up for as long as the leaks persist. Are you sure the horse hasn't fossilized at this point?
I keep my piracy to absolute last resort territory. If I cannot ever legitimately get a game, I pirate it. Games like this, knowing what I know about it now, I would not because there is no reason driving me toward piracy. The other case would be one where, even with the funds to buy it, I cannot because it is not available to me legitimately, but this only has a time limit.
I actually pay for very little of what I consume, a vast majority of my content is pirated. I have to agree, that is a huge library of music, I would hate to see that number in file size.
It does in the early days, when a game is vastly unknown and needs the exposure. This game does not need it at this point, so piracy serves no positive purpose and, at best, served a neutral purpose due to the canceling out of the drop in new patron sign ups that come with piracy and said exposure. Humans typically flock toward the easiest method to get something, paying vs not paying, not paying is going to win without a doubt. That means less people actually supporting the developer.
I appreciate the chill attitude, it's nice having a calm discussion.
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Other than the disturbing scenes I wasn't prepared for (because I hadn't read the tags), the game is overall nice. I'm an hour into playing, taking my time to read most of the story, and I'm here to say that I'm enjoying the game. Keep up the good work, Selebus.
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Wish I got involved in this thread back when it was like sub-150 replies, should've realized it was gonna blow up big. Gotta catch up on the latest build but all I have to say for now is... Yumi still best girl.
Yes, I can. It got exposure, which is a positive. It cost the game new patrons, which is a negative. Those cancel out to become neutral. Now, without the positive of exposure, it is serving a negative purpose. 1.6K patrons of 3M views is ONLY 0.053333333333333%, not even 1% are patrons, so the views are meaningless, and that's not taking into account that not every single patron came from here, which lowers the number even further. You're giving wait too much credit to the pirate community, myself included. Sure, some will do what you say, but most won't because it goes against their reason for pirating in the first place. The pirates who only do it out of a lack of legitimate options are not in the majority.
Support on Patreon isn't about need, it's about whether it is deserved. In this case, it most certainly is. This game goes significantly above the level of practically every other game here, mostly because the majority of the competition here are porn games whereas this just happens to have sex scenes.
I know I'm nitpicking on this, but the way you worded it makes it sound like the people who "didn't enjoy it that much" can't pay when that isn't necessarily true. That's not a case of can't pay, that's a case of won't pay, there is a major difference. I mean, yeah, this is a pirate site, so that's fine, sort of. It isn't morally correct and it does harm the developer economically as he does lose potential patrons when people decide to pirate instead. I'm just pointing that out, though, the people that won't probably can pay and just refuse.
No, what made him succeed is his hard work and dedication to the project even in the face of the leaks.
This is not and has never been true. Piracy is a bad thing no matter how you try to justify it. Theft of any kind is bad.
His Itch.io, Patreon, and SubscribeStar are all publicly accessible, VNDB has a page about the game, there are several non-pirate sources of information.
Trust me, absolutely nobody is prepared for those going into this game, even having read the tags.
She's still at the bottom of my list, right next to Sensei. She is improving, though, while he seems to have moments and then almost immediately slips right back
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Everything that one could have possibly been said has NOT been said, I have not seen somebody say that morality does not exist yet.
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