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I can't judge dodgy practices because... i didn't pay?
Woaa! Are you ok up there? On your high horses?
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Yes, you can judge those practices even when you are doing the same thing: taking other's money and effort for granted. It's called being a hypocrite.
- Dec 22, 2017
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I can't judge a car company shit practices because... i don't own one?
Do i need YOUR permission or something?
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No. You are missing the point, either by mistake or deliberately. You are trying to generalize my statement to a general situation but I never claimed such a thing, and your logic does not follow through. I could explain it to you, but given that following my comment there was a slight conversation about it with the person to which my comment was addressed to, please go and read that.
And just to address your example. If you judge a car company shit practices while you are doing the same shit practices you are complaining about, then yes, you can judge them but it is the definition of hypocrisy. It is funny that you are telling me I am on my "high horses" when you are supporting "judging other people's behavior" which assumes by default that you have a moral ground to judge, while my claim was simply "don't do it unless you are free of such behavior yourself"
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tl;dr
I don't need your approbation or permission. Even if i STOLE this game.
Anything else?
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No. You quoted me first, remember? I was just answering your comment on my comment.
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Mr Dots, Milftoon, SerialNumberComics, ...... Unfortunately this is becoming commonplace, for people like us,
it becomes increasingly difficult to want to support developers.
Of course there are exceptions, but there are more and more developers joining this,
Think carefully, (example), if with a monthly update it raises
20 dollars from a supporter.
and if that same update comes out in two months, it will raise 40 for the same update,
and if that same update comes out in three months, it will raise 60 for the same update.
What is the best option for a developer?
Do you know what keeps these developers still? They are the fanboys who besides defending this practice, still try to justify.
But since the money is not mine, let them throw money away and make these developers happy.
Just my opinion, but this discussion of what devs do and/or don't do is way off topic for what should be here. I am sure there is another spot in the forums to discuss what you do or don't like about the dev's business practices, so all who want to discuss or argue about such things should go there. This should be about the game/visual novel itself.
Now, I've been watching this since it first came here, tried it a few times, thought it could be something good, but started losing interest when it became what felt like a very linear story, with very little variance. I understand trying to make a game that has multiple branching paths is time consuming, and requires a lot of work to do, but I like the freedom such games give me.
Now, I've been watching this since it first came here, tried it a few times, thought it could be something good, but started losing interest when it became what felt like a very linear story, with very little variance. I understand trying to make a game that has multiple branching paths is time consuming, and requires a lot of work to do, but I like the freedom such games give me.
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There should be an update at some point this month.
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Pretty good, fantastic animations, but a really bad ending, ending with the friend/daughter hating your guts when we will have to wait for any continuation really leave a sour taste. You never want someone finishing your game (or any product) with a sour taste, especially when any potential resolution to it could be far off. It would of been much better if the friend/daughter heard the conversation between blond lara croft and bob marly, maybe have there conversation be more ambiguous, just enough to put doubt in her mind about whether or not there really trying to help. ether way ending it like they did really took the wind out of the whole thing, kinda like why did i even play this?
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I completely understand your point and I feel that some of your concerns will be addressed in the next update this month. This game is far from complete, there is still much of the story to tell.
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Tiresome discussion with the same wrong assumption by some.
Whether you pay for something or not isn't the deciding factor, in regards to having a right to an opinion.
Your existence gives you a right to your opinion.
Whether others give it any weight or not is another thing.
Though in a case like this, where a game goes from monthly updates to one update every 4-5 months, claiming criticism is only valid if you support the dev seems pretty ridiculous.
If you read through part of the thread, you might see that I have always been supportive of xred and praised the game and defended him, but there comes a point where that just doesn't make sense anymore.
Why is he taking so much more time for updates which are only slightly longer than back when he did updates far more frequently?
How can you even justify that?
Whether we pay for it or not, the development cycle has become ridiculously slow, don't defend the guy, don't defend him with asinine justifications like arguing about whether someone supports the guy or not.
You don't even KNOW whether someone actually does or did, unless he or she activated that function AND xred is one of the devs were it actually works. And even then you wouldn't know whether someone wasn't a supporter for a while and stopped because of milking, that alone basically shows how worthless whether someone supports or not is in regards to whether someone has a right to mention the slow development cycle or not.
Whether you pay for something or not isn't the deciding factor, in regards to having a right to an opinion.
Your existence gives you a right to your opinion.
Whether others give it any weight or not is another thing.
Though in a case like this, where a game goes from monthly updates to one update every 4-5 months, claiming criticism is only valid if you support the dev seems pretty ridiculous.
If you read through part of the thread, you might see that I have always been supportive of xred and praised the game and defended him, but there comes a point where that just doesn't make sense anymore.
Why is he taking so much more time for updates which are only slightly longer than back when he did updates far more frequently?
How can you even justify that?
Whether we pay for it or not, the development cycle has become ridiculously slow, don't defend the guy, don't defend him with asinine justifications like arguing about whether someone supports the guy or not.
You don't even KNOW whether someone actually does or did, unless he or she activated that function AND xred is one of the devs were it actually works. And even then you wouldn't know whether someone wasn't a supporter for a while and stopped because of milking, that alone basically shows how worthless whether someone supports or not is in regards to whether someone has a right to mention the slow development cycle or not.
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The "you don't even know argument can go both ways".
You can criticize whatever you want. But criticizing something in others that you yourself do is call hypocrisy.
Anyone can take the high moral ground and make a claim that the developer is being unfair, taking his supporters money for granted and not working. But as a free rider that I am, i'll be doing precisely what I am criticizing: taking his free time and those that support him' money for granted. Why am i right to criticize what other's do if I do the same?
If you fail to see that, then you are just blind. Your existence does you give any right to an opinion. But i don't like the idea that you, me or anybody have the special right to demand from others what they cannot do themselves. We are all held account to the same moral rules. Until you explain that, you are just claiming you have more rights than others.
You can criticize whatever you want. But criticizing something in others that you yourself do is call hypocrisy.
Anyone can take the high moral ground and make a claim that the developer is being unfair, taking his supporters money for granted and not working. But as a free rider that I am, i'll be doing precisely what I am criticizing: taking his free time and those that support him' money for granted. Why am i right to criticize what other's do if I do the same?
If you fail to see that, then you are just blind. Your existence does you give any right to an opinion. But i don't like the idea that you, me or anybody have the special right to demand from others what they cannot do themselves. We are all held account to the same moral rules. Until you explain that, you are just claiming you have more rights than others.
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How many times can you air-quote "moral high ground", and then make it central to your position?
The formula here is what we see for several devs: Good looking character, people want more, so slow down updates. The fact the latter updates are non-sensical with the original story just complicates matters.
Where is the story going? What's coming next? We have neither a clue nor a dev update to tell us. So criticism is something that should be expected.
If I don't understand where a developer is going with a story, it doesn't drive me to pledge. Plain fact.
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And that is how you missed the point on what I was saying. My point was simply don't criticize what you yourself do. Or do it, but realize you are being hypocritical about it.
That this is in the middle of a conversation about this project development is irrelevant. And I never said you cannot criticize the product. You are free to call this a piece of crap, I myself have a lot of critiques to make from a art point of view. What the other were doing have nothing to do with that, but with the speed of releases and amount of content. This is about the production process and people's thinking they are entitled to things just because they consume it for free in pirate forum. We could be talking about people demanding more free lemonade they stole from a store: "I can't believe the lemonade producer won't make more lemonade so we can steal it, what awful people. We have a right to steal it, cause the people that are actually buying are too stupid to realize they are paying too much for it, fuck them and the lemonade producer".
But I am done with this talk. If you all think you are entitled to somebody's else time and effort, do whatever you want. I will not demand something from somebody for free (time, money or whatever the currency) because I don't like people demanding me. As simply as that.
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