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Tlaero

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As for the canon paths, I really don't have one in mind for either Christine or Keeley. Since both of those games give equal weight to their paths, I'd definitely annoy people if I went back and made one of them what "really" happened.

I currently don't have any plans for future Keeleyverse games. Anything is possible, of course, but the next few games I'm thinking through take place in the Elsaverse.

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BloodyMares

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Thank you for your clarification. Yes, if those games are open-ended and you don't have plans to revisit those characters, then I can live with it, especially if it means some side characters will get their opportunity to shine (Jessica and Keisha).

As for "something for everyone"... This stuff rarely works in everyone's favor. The majority of your fanbase are accustomed to a certain standard, and that's why we keep coming back. It doesn't mean that any experiment is doomed to fail. Any genre can work, if you're passionate about it, and don't sacrifice character depth for it. Anyone can write smut with casual sex scenes, and this market is oversaturated (there are 90% of games in this genre on this site). But very few can build their worlds and make us care about the characters beyond the sex appeal. No disrespect for Chaotic, but his games are basically entirely smutty with interchangeable shallow hot girls that barely have any personality, and I'm sure some people love it, and even I don't mind playing that occasionally. But writing interesting character interactions is your strength, it would be counter-productive to ignore it for something that's available everywhere else.

I wouldn't actually mind a heavily sexual game if the characters still had a lot of chemistry. The best example of that would be your Bonus scenes for each Elsaverse game when you unlock all of the achievements. Those are truly for everyone because they're not only extremely hot, but the chemistry and interaction between characters enhance the overall experience (the RfJ and SC scenes were the masterpieces). Another example would be the "bad" Marc path in RfJ where he had very hot sexual encounters with side characters.
 

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Thanks BloodyMares. My experience with LCfK matches your feedback. The Claryce stories were ones I really wanted to write. The James Cheat path was one I wrote specifically to try to broaden my base. It didn't accomplish that, and I'm feeling that chasing that audience isn't the right way to spend my effort. In future games, I'll most likely go back to my niche and tell relationship stories with sex rather than sex stories.

With Mortze working on his SW game, and two Elsaverse games in my head, it's a long time before I'd even possibly get back to the Keeleyverse. However, if I did go back to it, the two characters that I feel still have stories to tell are Keisha and Jessica. Though, we really need to separate in our minds the fantastic models that Mortze did for those characters and the characters themselves. In both of those cases, I think the art is stronger than the writing/characterization. And we can use similar art in other places...

We'll see.

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nazim10

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I'll most likely go back to my niche and tell relationship stories with sex rather than sex stories.
IMO, I think this is the best move. True, your niche isn't the most popular one, but it's effective for me. Reading the James part was a shock. We knew James. We were James. Cheating is one thing, but the revenge porn? It felt way off for him.

I really enjoy you writing, wether it's the Elsaverse or not. It's a good thing to try and deversify things, but keeping your "true" self id the most important thing, I feel.
 

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This was a very well written story, if a bit rushed at the end(at least the way I played it, lesbian route, hate cheaters, if the wife was the cheater, then would have played the male route). I love all the female characters I met in my playthrough and the gay artist plus the bookstore owner seemed like two cool guys that I would have a drink with some time. In my mind, the sleazy husband ends up in jail for uploading that video without her permission(I think that is supposed to be illegal, should be if not).
 

Tlaero

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There's certainly no possibility of redemption for the version of James who gave Elena the video. Though there are two paths through the game where he is remorseful for his pre-game transgression and tries to atone for it (including turning Elena down). Not saying that you, the player, need to forgive him. I wouldn't forgive someone who cheated on me. But there are relationships in the world that survive infidelity, so I tried to make that an option here.

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AlienEDM

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I love the story of this game! Tlaero is a good writer and the renders of the tuga Mortze are very high quality! :LOL::LOL: Tlaero and Mortze, is there any possibility for us to see any new game with KeeleyVerse soon?

I don't want to look presumptuous, but, I have my own story in mind for a new game. It would be really cool to see James and Keeley going on vacation to a tropical and paradisiacal place (maybe to the beaches of Rio de Janeiro, Miami or Cancun?), where they would find new possibilities and also new temptations.

Just an idea.
 

Avaron1974

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I love the story of this game! Tlaero is a good writer and the renders of the tuga Mortze are very high quality! :LOL::LOL: Tlaero and Mortze, is there any possibility for us to see any new game with KeeleyVerse soon?

I don't want to look presumptuous, but, I have my own story in mind for a new game. It would be really cool to see James and Keeley going on vacation to a tropical and paradisiacal place (maybe to the beaches of Rio de Janeiro, Miami or Cancun?), where they would find new possibilities and also new temptations.

Just an idea.
I'm not sure how that would work considering the chance that she doesn't get back with James.
 

AlienEDM

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I'm not sure how that would work considering the chance that she doesn't get back with James.
Actually, there is more than one ending on the game. The question is, which ending is the canonical one for the next game?
 

Avaron1974

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Actually, there is more than one ending on the game. The question is, which ending is the canonical one for the next game?
I'm not sure there is going to be another.

We've gone back to the Elsaverse now and with this having 2 potential MC's for the first time I don't think they will do a canonical end which could lead to a sequel.
 
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There isn't any canon ending for either Life Changes for Keeley nor for Coming to Grips with Christine. The only canon at the end of CTWC was that Adrian cheated on Keeley, at the very end, and LCFK followed on that only. It's very difficult to follow LIfe changes for Keeley without a canon ending.
That said, I'm someone that is willing to "recycle" models used in the games into new games, in other settings. Who knows if Keeley's "model" won't appear in a future game.
 
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Tlaero

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I am definitely not going to declare a canonical path for either Life Changes for Keeley or Coming to Grips with Christine. That wouldn't be fair to people who prefer different endings. I made the games so that you could choose how they end, and I want to honor your choices.

Will there ever be another Keeleyverse game? I won't say "never," but I'm not actively thinking about one right now. The next two major games that I write will be in the Elsaverse.

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nazim10

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While I understand the reasoning for both games, but in one path, James is a scumbag (even a criminal, with the revenge porn thing), and that doesn't sit right with me. In Meeting Keeley, we were James, so seeing him go this dark path kinda saddens me.
 
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Tlaero

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That's precisely why I won't choose your path for you. If you want James to be the guy who fell on hard times, made a mistake, atoned for it it, and lived happily ever after with Keeley, then that's what happened. You don't need me to declare a canonical path for that to be reality for you.

At the same time, if Avaron wants Keeley to be the woman who was hurt, fell for another woman, and lived happily ever after with her, then that's reality for Avaron.

There's nothing wrong with your "reality" and hers being different. This is all fiction anyway. :)

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Cramone

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Tora Prodctions game became sadder or is my idea???
i mean... they become more real, but... fucking life is depressing...
 
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The game reminds me of Below her Mouth movie, but slightly reversed situation. Still great movie to watch so im sure ill enjoy the game too.
 
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