VN Ren'Py Completed Life Changes for Keeley [v1.0] [Tora Productions]

[Avaron1974]

Thank you. I've reported to the site moderators.

No problem, thought it was sus. Hopefully Itch will deal with that. Looks like they took a few games from other devs too.

P.S.

Seems they also stole your Darkness Falls.

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[Mortze]

No problem, thought it was sus. Hopefully Itch will deal with that. Looks like they took a few games from other devs too.

P.S.

Seems they also stole your Darkness Falls.

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I noticed Darkness FAlls. Also reported it. Thank you for that as well!

 

[Cramone]

i'm still can't get over the Christine ending
and now this endings damn...
Mortze story remember as "my growing childhood" everything is cool and love everywhere, suddenly all ends "with" sad endings or "some hope"...
firts part is html story introducing characters, next is sequel like "Life Changes for Keely"

I hope next series is not gonna be like my adulthood, the exact moment I realize everywhere is full pain and sorrow. Around corner someone is getting more worse everytime plus many "blind people who dosent want to hear or see real life" not believing around corner is so much lack of joy death looks kind safeway to end all of this.
But at end whats the point make people you love sorrow for you, its better keep alive and hoping you die or find happyness, dealing with reality and try to understand why you feel bad, to the end discover many ways people is happy, but you can not be that person because only few can got that situation....
crappy life

 

[Tlaero]

Heya hun, sorry to bother you with some nonsense but just found this and it looked a bit suspicious. Just wanted to make sure you authorised this.

Thank you, Avaron!

Tlaero

 

[AngelsAfterDark]

So I know the husband cheated on Keeley and all but if we play as him is there a way to get back with her? If not then this is rather pointless (well at least playing as him is rather pointless) given the fact that the story is about Keeley

 

[Avaron1974]

So I know the husband cheated on Keeley and all but if we play as him is there a way to get back with her? If not then this is rather pointless (well at least playing as him is rather pointless) given the fact that the story is about Keeley

There is a way, don't have sex with anyone else and they get back together at the end.

That being said, the "main" story is the one between Claryce and Keeley.

The husbands story is kinda just there, Tlaero's own words it didn't work as intended. Claryce was the story she wanted to tell and added the husbands route for those that just want sex scenes.

Thank you for playing the game and taking the time to write so much feedback. You're spot on.

My admittedly mistaken goal in this one was to try to give different people something to enjoy. The Claryce path is the story I wanted to tell and the James one was intended for all the people who complain about vanilla sex and words getting in the way.

It absolutely didn't work, though. Rather than make a game that everyone enjoys, I made a game that has parts that everyone doesn't enjoy (different parts for different people).

Live and learn.

As a result, I'm going back to my niche of writing story based erotic games and not trying to please everyone.

Tlaero

 

[Tlaero]

Yeah, there are two main routes through the James path. One where he revels in his freedom and keeps on cheating as so many people seem to want to play in these games (or, have at least complained that my previous games didn't let them do). And the other where he regrets his mistake and works to atone for it (largely, by not cheating on her again, despite the temptations). The James story is rather thin, but there's enough there that I'm fine with people who want to consider it canon. I intentionally didn't make any of the paths the "right" one.

Tlaero

 

[BloodyMares]

Is it really cheating if you're on a break, though?

 

[Blades1138]

Is it really cheating if you're on a break, though?

*Ross approves this question*

And not to be completely off-topic - I think even with the existing art, the script/game, can be 'reinterpreted'/modded a bit, if anyone is so inclined. For example even if James sleeps with these other women, he could realize that the meaningless sex just makes him feel emptier so that he's more committed to his relationship with Keeley if they rekindle it. The one thing that seemed quite off to me in one of the endings was, even though he made the choices to pursue sex and cheat, as I recall he wasn't happy with the result.

Edit: Of course, making the video or sleeping with Keisha would still be a hard-forfeit of any attempt to reconcile.

Edit 2: Come to think of it, the Keeley side of the story kind of exhibits a double standard. Albeit unintentionally, she starts at least emotionally, if not sexually, cheating on James while they're separated. Something he gets flak for if he does it, but in her case she's given a free pass, presumably because 'he cheated first'.

 

[Avaron1974]

Edit 2: Come to think of it, the Keeley side of the story kind of exhibits a double standard. Albeit unintentionally, she starts at least emotionally, if not sexually, cheating on James while they're separated. Something he gets flak for if he does it, but in her case she's given a free pass, presumably because 'he cheated first'.

There is a slight difference between having emotional feelings for someone and sticking your dick in the neighbour.

Emotions are something people don't have full control over especially given how hurt she was.

James had 100% control over his cock and could quite easily have chosen not to shove it inside his neighbour.

During their time apart, on James route, Keeley doesn't have sex with anyone else however James is given flak for sticking his dick inside other women and releasing an intimate movie they filmed together (especially shitty considering revenge porn is illegal).

Keeley confides in a couple of people.

How, oh how, is leaning on ones friends and maybe having the feels for one of them compared to the act of sticking his cock inside his neighbour and then repeating said act several times over?

So yes, she would be given a free pass on the pure basis that she never once stuck her cock in her neighbour during their marriage.

 

[Avakao]

*Ross approves this question*

And not to be completely off-topic - I think even with the existing art, the script/game, can be 'reinterpreted'/modded a bit, if anyone is so inclined. For example even if James sleeps with these other women, he could realize that the meaningless sex just makes him feel emptier so that he's more committed to his relationship with Keeley if they rekindle it. The one thing that seemed quite off to me in one of the endings was, even though he made the choices to pursue sex and cheat, as I recall he wasn't happy with the result.

Edit: Of course, making the video or sleeping with Keisha would still be a hard-forfeit of any attempt to reconcile.

Edit 2: Come to think of it, the Keeley side of the story kind of exhibits a double standard. Albeit unintentionally, she starts at least emotionally, if not sexually, cheating on James while they're separated. Something he gets flak for if he does it, but in her case she's given a free pass, presumably because 'he cheated first'.

That's exactly the thing, he cheated, they break, so there's no cheating after that. the difference here is that James is the actual cheater, and whoever cheated once will do it again. Naive is the one who thinks otherwise.

What happens between Keely and Claryce is something that helped and healed Keeley from the wounds her ex-husband gave her. That's how I played it, and that's how I personally think was the best choice.

 

[Bossk]

That's exactly the thing, he cheated, they break, so there's no cheating after that. the difference here is that James is the actual cheater, and whoever cheated once will do it again. Naive is the one who thinks otherwise.

What happens between Keely and Claryce is something that helped and healed Keeley from the wounds her ex-husband gave her. That's how I played it, and that's how I personally think was the best choice.

Agreed, Claryce was there for Keely and loved her totally, there was never a point when playing this where I questioned Claryce's motives. even the first meeting, she thought Keely was hot but was able to put her desires aside to be compassionate and empathetic to Keely's issues.

I never once felt like James and Keely were on a "break" they were broken. It was over plain and simple. Keely was looking fo heal, Claryce helped her heal and both got their Happily Ever After.

James is not worthy of any empathy in this story, he betrayed Keely and lost her. Claryce picked up the pieces and helped Keely heal. James should just be happy he kept his kneecaps intact

 

[Blades1138]

Precisely the double standard I'm talking about. While yes - feelings are something we can't control most of the time, we can instead control our actions and what we do with those feelings. As far as the story goes, Keeley and James were in the process of 'figuring things out' as they had not by that point decided to call it quits for good. Keeley could have feasibly ended her relationship with James permanently, before engaging with Claryce.
There are mitigating circumstances, but regardless, in certain aspects the situations are equal. And just because we're not given a vocalization of James' feelings throughout his story, it doesn't mean he wasn't using meaningless sex in a bad attempt to work through his own issues. As it stands, the story is presented in a one-sided manner, which is why I believe the James path is viewed negatively. Whether one agrees that James deserves a second chance or not, I think it would have made for a much more interesting story if his side was better explored.

Edit: Just to clear it up - I'm talking about James having sex with other women during the 'break', for which he is accordingly judged by Keeley, even though she might have done the same during that time. I'm not excusing his initial cheating. I also don't excuse him if he does the 'video' thing, which is obviously specifically meant to hurt Keeley.

 

[Tlaero]

I like the discussion. Keep it up.

A few things. There are 4 main paths through the game: Keeley and Claryce Friends, Keeley and Claryce Lovers, James Repentant, and James Free and Wild.

In the James Repentant path, Keeley and Claryce are friends, not lovers. So, on a break or not, Keeley didn't do anything resembling cheating. And, in the Keeley and Claryce are lovers path, James is the worst version of himself, including making the video. So, Keeley wasn't cheating. She had moved on.

I didn't make Keeley and Claryce be lovers while James is repentant because that would have resulted in Keeley needing to chose between them, which would have been uninteresting for the player. You do everything right, and Keeley chooses the other one.

There is a path where James has sex with some other people, lies about it when Keeley asks him, and she believes him. They get back together, but his guilt gets in the way of his happiness.

Tlaero

 

[Avakao]

Well, Even with so many different paths, I'm still adamant that no matter what, someone who cheats on their partner are undeserving of forgiveness, at least to the extent of coming back together. You may leave it behind, but coming back is a mistake.

As for the whole cheating part, just remember that Keeley was trying her best to not be so deeply involved with Claryce as much as she could with still hope about having James back, until the video scene. So, in this scene alone, ad what comes after I simply cannot for the world choose another path.
I think they would be always happier togheter. Claryce is that special person who is so rare that I really wanted to find one for myself tbh.

 

[BloodyMares]

I like the discussion. Keep it up.

A few things. There are 4 main paths through the game: Keeley and Claryce Friends, Keeley and Claryce Lovers, James Repentant, and James Free and Wild.

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There is a path where James has sex with some other people, lies about it when Keeley asks him, and she believes him. They get back together, but his guilt gets in the way of his happiness.

That's a great explanation which makes Keeley very fair. It's easy to get biased one way or another and judging the characters based on what each CAN do, not necessarily what they end up actually doing.

Although what I think Blades1138 wanted to say is that his part of the story would've been more compelling if it made us understand James more and let us know the reasons behind his/our actions. We are given a fact that he cheated which in the eyes of most people makes him a villain that can't be redeemed. But what did he feel at the moment? Was it the mere temptation of having a hot neighbor who provided the sex he felt was lacking with Keeley? Or were they close friends that ended up having a very intimate moment against better judgment? Did she regret participating in the cheating? Was James feeling depressed from losing his job and tried to "assert the dominance" in his life by distracting himself with meaningless sex? Obviously, none of that would justify what he did but that might help us understand what motivated him. Does he regret his cheating or was he feeling justified for some reason? Etc, etc. Though there's a chance they might've been in the game and I simply forgot about these details because of how his part made me feel initially.

And to add to that, I think what Blades missed from this game (and I kinda agree) is the opportunity for James to atone for his mistakes without turning 180 and suddenly acting all proper and rejecting all temptations (especially if they are separated at the moment while his urges are probably still there) or lying about them to her. What if he fails at first rejecting all these unexpected encounters with sexy ladies, trying to bury his guilt (and maybe deal with losing Keeley?) in meaningless sex but then realizes that it doesn't satisfy him and Keeley was the one that made him truly happy and whole? It seems like the one action that makes James truly villainous is releasing the sex tape. If he doesn't do that, I feel like he would be sorry (or have the opportunity to be), and try his best to win Keeley back, including being honest about the other ladies. In one of the endings, he's willing to share Keeley with Claryce (permanently?), but he needs to reject absolutely everyone in order to reach it, which makes it rather binary and thus less challenging for the player.

What if there was a path where James fucked some of the other women (but didn't do revenge porn) and Keeley also started sleeping with Claryce (and Keisha)? If he's honest about everything, and truly regrets cheating on her, but is also happy that she found Claryce, maybe there's a way for them to still be together? Or at least have an open ending where she's not sure but is willing to try fresh with baby steps and perhaps they end up in a more open and understanding relationship? After all, no human is perfect, and failures help us grow as long as we strive to do better.

Or alternatively, maybe James could leave Keeley behind and close that page for good? Something made him cheat on her with his neighbor. Maybe he would be happier with her instead?

Personally, I'd love to see James' reaction if Keeley wanted to challenge his commitment by sleeping with Claryce and Keisha in front of him and if he managed to watch the whole thing without touching himself and was still eager to be with her, then perhaps she might consider forgiving him even if he fell for some of the less morally damaging temptations. I feel like Christine would probably advise her to use his moment of weakness to her advantage and use it to be more assertive in the relationship. That said, Christine might not be the best influence...

 

[Tlaero]

There are a few scenes that talk about what caused James to cheat. You get Keeley's side of it at the art show on the Claryce path. On the James redemption path you get some of his side when he's talking with Thais and a little more in other parts. Though it's easy to miss this stuff because he's a completely different person in his two paths. In the non-redemption path, he blames Keeley for his cheating and in the redemption one he's more introspective.

There are relationships that have survived infidelity. It's much less common when the cheater does it a lot with a lot of other people than with one person, though.

Tlaero

 

[BloodyMares]

But didn't they break up though? In that case, all the sexy fun either James or Keeley could have on the side shouldn't exactly count as such (unless they were still officially in the relationship?). I initially thought that James was drowning himself in meaningless sex because he wanted to move on after his failed relationship and leave his thoughts about Keeley behind, (similarly to how Keeley wanted to move on and thus willing to let Claryce in), not just have lots of sex because he was horny all the time, but in his case, it wasn't really working. I guess I'm wondering what did James truly desire? To get back with Keeley no matter what, to hurt her further (for what? I don't remember the game told us what Keeley did to anger him) or accept his mistake, let Keeley go and move on for good? And if his motivation was moving on, why does the game treat it as unfaithfulness as if they were actually still together? And if they were still together, doesn't it make Keeley a cheater, too, if she started her romance with Claryce while not fully knowing where James stood? IIRC, they only talk towards the end of the game, once all the variables are already set, and James is by default angry with Claryce (if he slept with at least a single woman) even if he has no right to judge her or Keeley.

What I mean is, the game doesn't explain what James wants at the start of the game which would establish our goal. With Claryce it's simple, she cares for Keeley and wants to make her happy and hopefully date her, but what about James? What is he thinking? IMO, he shouldn't have 2 completely opposite motivations since he's an established character with set experience that lead him down that path. The player should only help make key decisions for James that would lead him down to different paths.

And finally, I feel like James' honesty should give him something good, even if he failed to keep it in his pants a couple of times, as was the theme in the rest of your games where lying leads to bad endings. And if Keeley can't accept James anymore knowing the sad truth, and their relationship is truly doomed, then perhaps with someone else that he eventually finds (which shouldn't be too long, girls almost jump themselves on him). Hell, I felt there was some real chemistry with his friend whose husband wanted him to fuck (sorry, I'm bad with names of minor characters). Maybe he is the man she truly wants as opposed to her inattentive husband and their one-time thing turns into a full-on passionate romance?

 

[Avaron1974]

But didn't they break up though? In that case, all the sexy fun either James or Keeley could have on the side shouldn't exactly count as such (unless they were still officially in the relationship?). I initially thought that James was drowning himself in meaningless sex because he wanted to move on after his failed relationship and leave his thoughts about Keeley behind, (similarly to how Keeley wanted to move on and thus willing to let Claryce in), not just have lots of sex because he was horny all the time, but in his case, it wasn't really working. I guess I'm wondering what did James truly desire? To get back with Keeley no matter what, to hurt her further (for what? I don't remember the game told us what Keeley did to anger him) or accept his mistake, let Keeley go and move on for good? And if his motivation was moving on, why does the game treat it as unfaithfulness as if they were actually still together? And if they were still together, doesn't it make Keeley a cheater, too, if she started her romance with Claryce while not fully knowing where James stood? IIRC, they only talk towards the end of the game, once all the variables are already set, and James is by default angry with Claryce (if he slept with at least a single woman) even if he has no right to judge her or Keeley.

What I mean is, the game doesn't explain what James wants at the start of the game which would establish our goal. With Claryce it's simple, she cares for Keeley and wants to make her happy and hopefully date her, but what about James? What is he thinking? IMO, he shouldn't have 2 completely opposite motivations since he's an established character with set experience that lead him down that path. The player should only help make key decisions for James that would lead him down to different paths.

And finally, I feel like James' honesty should give him something good, even if he failed to keep it in his pants a couple of times, as was the theme in the rest of your games where lying leads to bad endings. And if Keeley can't accept James anymore knowing the sad truth, and their relationship is truly doomed, then perhaps with someone else that he eventually finds (which shouldn't be too long, girls almost jump themselves on him). Hell, I felt there was some real chemistry with his friend whose husband wanted him to fuck (sorry, I'm bad with names of minor characters). Maybe he is the man she truly wants as opposed to her inattentive husband and their one-time thing turns into a full-on passionate romance?

James cheated on Keeley because he lost his job and she didn't, he started feeling resentful of it and her.

As for everything else, James route is only an add on to put in sex scenes and keep people happy, it's not the main route of the game.

There is no actual depth to it because Claryce was the story the game was made for but due to a certain group that complain there is too much text in some of their stories they put in a route that was mainly sex and less story.

To put it bluntly, there is no in depth reasoning on his route because if they hadn't experimented at trying to please everyone, he wouldn't have had a route at all.

Tacked on for the titties so to speak.

 

[moskyx]

What I mean is, the game doesn't explain what James wants at the start of the game which would establish our goal. With Claryce it's simple, she cares for Keeley and wants to make her happy and hopefully date her, but what about James? What is he thinking? IMO, he shouldn't have 2 completely opposite motivations since he's an established character with set experience that lead him down that path. The player should only help make key decisions for James that would lead him down to different paths.

The game doesn't explain that because it's left to the player to decide. Do you want to get Keeley back? Then you know you just can't keep fucking everything that moves, you made a mistake once and you shouldn't keep digging. Or maybe you'd want to move on and enjoy your new life as a single man? Then the answer is easy.

Of course, as they've been together for so long and she's still hurt and doesn't know how to feel about him just yet, they meet up and talk and he still thinks about her, but his goals are player's goals, nothing else.