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glaurung

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Okay i'm stuck on Nells dark secret and all the info i can find is the first clue and third are the same...well that's awesome but how about the second clue??
1st clue: learn it from Samarra. Specifically: how Samarra came to adopt Nell
2nd clue: solve the Fairy Queen's vision riddle and learn a clue from her. Specifically: that she has not had any children

The clues seemingly contradict each other. In the multiple choice part of the secret reveal, just remember that both clues are true
 

glaurung

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I'd say however clues are literally not enough for this section and it actually make a lot more sense this supposition then she being lesbian..
Mirror effect if you want (no idea how is actually called), there's a condition that is based over narcissism but not only, making something that you would like to be done to you using imagination and touch sense, is literally a kind of masturbation to overcome loniless or trying to experience some kinks without actually do (es self harm), this is much more common then you think..

Anyway like i was saying before i really don't think there's enough proof to be saying this, and unless i don't get her masturbating around a corner (that might be also exhibitionism xD ) there's no valid reason to break her mind.
You're forgetting that there's a second clue, where she's trying to turn down a male suitor. The phrasing of the letter she tries to write to him makes it pretty clear how you're supposed to interpret the scene where she's fondling the mannequin.

"the clues are not enough" can be said of a number of other secrets in the game where you have to select from multiple choices. At some point you just have to make an informed guess. The page up key on your keyboard lets you back up and try a different response. The game would be a lot more boring if every secret was clearly obvious and you didn't have to make guesses and get things wrong sometimes.
 
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Indeed, a select few of the secrets in this game deliberately give you just too little information to be entirely certain about the correct answer yet give you clues enough to drive you towards the correct answer, even if you don't feel entirely confident about it. Most of the secrets are not designed this way, and it's mostly the smaller ones where it happens while you're still trying to figure out the person you're interrogating.

It is by design. The game gives you the opportunity to retry (more often as your powers grow) up to a few times per game day, so don't be afraid to mess up. The women will forget your conversation anyway.

Then again, writing interrogative sequences like the ones in this game is extremely difficult. The writers for the Ace Attorney games are masters at their craft, which becomes particularly obvious when you see examples of otherwise competent studios that try and fail at doing the same thing. Take miHoYo (of Genshin Impact and Honkai Star Rail fame) for example. They've made multiple quests in these games that try to copy the Ace Attorney style, but they clearly don't understand how to write such sequences, leading to near-random guesswork and unsatisfying, unearned conclusions.

I'm happy about how LLtP's interrogations turned out. Are they perfect? No, but I definitely feel like they accomplished what I set out to do with them.
 

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You're forgetting that there's a second clue, where she's trying to turn down a male suitor. The phrasing of the letter she tries to write to him makes it pretty clear how you're supposed to interpret the scene where she's fondling the mannequin.

"the clues are not enough" can be said of a number of other secrets in the game where you have to select from multiple choices. At some point you just have to make an informed guess. The page up key on your keyboard lets you back up and try a different response. The game would be a lot more boring if every secret was clearly obvious and you didn't have to make guesses and get things wrong sometimes.
Actually to be fair i believed till the end that the game wanted to have the clichè with the childhood friends that are in love with each other but don't have the courage to confess, nothing really was saying me otherwise..

Ye.. The guessing part is not really the best for the same reason, i mean clue games and series are fun exactly cause there's a logic behind and you can guess along the mc the cause with evidences that can make the claim (we are not exactly talking about last sherlock holmes with a sprouts of hints thanks to the case is solved in mere istants), there are some guessing that actually have their login plus the mc will states it nonetheless (like the missing novels one) but that specific one eh..

Idk, sometimes the game tend to wink a lot these last years pop colture, perhaps too much..
 
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Solomon Grundy

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Straight talk, I thought the puzzles and such in this game were pretty darn well balanced. The only one I really struggled with was the Fairy Queen one, but that was way back in the first iteration of it, and only because I, if I remember right, switched an indefinite article with a definite article. That is, the puzzle wanted "the" and I said "a" or the other way around, can't remember and it doesn't matter, point is that's been resolved with the Belle help mechanic and some things being generally clearer.

If people are actually paying attention to what's being said, and draw reasonable conclusions from them, I don't think any of the puzzles are overly difficult, and none of them require a wild ass guess, at most they need an educated guess, which is fine with me as a design choice.
 

aleyugioh

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Good night mates, how i unlock the scene when Callie invited me to Her bedroom with Evelin in the night.

And how I unlock the penultimate scene from Primrose...

Thanks.
 
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aischylochos

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Thanks for the hints. I finally solved this by repeatedly going to the tent and back again. At some point, the option "maker her more willing" appeared. Took several repetitions ...
By now I've finished the game and I must say, it's one of the best I've played so far. Great story writing, demanding puzzles ... I was really fun to play - even So I hated having to decide between the girls in the end. I'm not the guy that likes to hurt women (especially cute Nell ...).
 
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glaurung

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Good night mates, how i unlock the scene when Callie invited me to Her bedroom with Evelin in the night.

And how I unlock the penultimate scene from Primrose...

Thanks.
Callie: If you've been having threesomes with her and she doesn't invite you to make it a permanent thing with the option to visit her house as a night option, you need to either have more threesomes (I think three are required? maybe 4), or you need to upgrade her opinion of you.

Upgrade her opinion by asking for more fashion shows/working for her more. Work: I'm not sure if doing a day long double shift for her is required, but it definitely helps. Fashion shows: make sure you've seen every possible outfit at least once (the first outfit, the hunting outfit, the underwear, and the leather outfit), and ask for nude shows until the content there starts to repeat (4-5 times, I think). One last thing that could be holding her back from making the night time invite: after the first threesome, she wants to talk to you about it. If, after the first threesome, you never visited her shop to let her talk to you, that could be the thing that's holding her back from making the nighttime invite.

Primrose: in the gallery, the bottom row of her scenes are 1, if you got an offer of romance from Primrose and accepted (missionary position), and 2, if you got an offer of FWB from her and accepted (doggie style). The top row of scenes are: boob job, cunnilingus, and fellatio.
 
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aleyugioh

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Callie: If you've been having threesomes with her and she doesn't invite you to make it a permanent thing with the option to visit her house as a night option, you need to either have more threesomes (I think three are required? maybe 4), or you need to upgrade her opinion of you.

Upgrade her opinion by asking for more fashion shows/working for her more. Work: I'm not sure if doing a day long double shift for her is required, but it definitely helps. Fashion shows: make sure you've seen every possible outfit at least once (the first outfit, the hunting outfit, the underwear, and the leather outfit), and ask for nude shows until the content there starts to repeat (4-5 times, I think). One last thing that could be holding her back from making the night time invite: after the first threesome, she wants to talk to you about it. If, after the first threesome, you never visited her shop to let her talk to you, that could be the thing that's holding her back from making the nighttime invite.

Primrose: in the gallery, the bottom row of her scenes are 1, if you got an offer of romance from Primrose and accepted (missionary position), and 2, if you got an offer of FWB from her and accepted (doggie style). The top row of scenes are: boob job, cunnilingus, and fellatio.
Thanks for the info mate.
 

xmagic

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how is the NTR in this game? good? I asking it as an NTR fan, is it good? is it worth it? or is it something very small?
 

muschi26

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how is the NTR in this game? good? I asking it as an NTR fan, is it good? is it worth it? or is it something very small?
There are two series of events that could be considered “NTR”.

The first is that Evelyn (one of the LIs) can end up sleeping with Thaddeus (a diplomat) in an attempt to get more sway over him, unless you prevent it from happening. They do this two or three times, and you can watch.

The second is that you fuck the queen of the faeries in front of her husband, then have the option of starting a relationship with her behind his back. There’s quite a bit of content down this route.
 

aleyugioh

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Just remember that you have to have done enough work and also enough fashion shows - it doesn't matter if you've worked for her a zillion times if you haven't also seen enough shows, and vice versa.
I just unlock the last 2 scenes, thanks bro.

With Callie was a little hard because beside the you tell me above, the main character need tell to Evelyn go with Callie in the afternoon and you don' t go to spy... When Evelyn return with the invitation in the night.
 

Krepax

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This game really deserves a remaster or a sequel.

It's one of the most enjoyable fantasy AVNs and the free roam parts are not even annoying. I wish there were more games like this one. (y)
 

Belle

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This game really deserves a remaster or a sequel.
What, a remaster a year after the game was done?

Also, oh god no! The last thing I want to do after working on this game for 5 years is to do it all over again with a remaster. And then it would get outdated before the remaster is done anyway.

As for a sequel, that's not happening. I never intended or wanted for this story to be a franchise. It's a one-and-done story, for which we should be thankful. Nothing creative is made without setting it up for franchising these days, so we should appreciate it better whenever a creative work that is meant to stand alone on its own merits is created. It's a rarity, after all.
 

muschi26

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As for a sequel, that's not happening. I never intended or wanted for this story to be a franchise. It's a one-and-done story, for which we should be thankful. Nothing creative is made without setting it up for franchising these days, so we should appreciate it better whenever a creative work that is meant to stand alone on its own merits is created. It's a rarity, after all.
While I too find it deplorable that most everything nowadays is made with the intent of being made into a franchise, or of leaving that possibility open, I don’t think you should base your decision on whether or not to make a sequel (or another game that simply takes place within the same world) on that at all. If you don’t want or don’t feel inspired to create a sequel or spin-off, don’t, and if you do, then do so; but please don’t hold yourself back from starting a project like this simply because franchising is so common.
 
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