bobdango

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I would have loved to finish this game but my old save doesn't work and I would have to start over. This wouldn't be such a big deal if it wasn't for the fact it's a sandbox game. Sadly I will have to drop it.
 

slick97

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It's crazy to see Belle still being super helpful despite completing this game over a year ago. LLtP is still one of the best AVNs I've played both in it's presentation and gameplay.

Perhaps it's time to revisit this gem and see if I can get the non-death endings in the allotted timeframe ;)
 

0liver

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Apr 10, 2019
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How to get Callie to accept me cumming inside her? It seems to me as if there is a way to do so because of all the dialogue and the option "pull out" during the threesome with evelyn at night and no "cum inside" or something like that.
 

glaurung

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How to get Callie to accept me cumming inside her? It seems to me as if there is a way to do so because of all the dialogue and the option "pull out" during the threesome with evelyn at night and no "cum inside" or something like that.
There isn't a way to do it in threesome mode. If you want to make her pregnant, you need to do it when having sex alone with her, not during the threesome (or do it while she's sleeping). She'll scold you for not pulling out, though.

If you go for a solo relationship with her, she will always scold you for not pulling out, with one exception: get the picnic invitation, accept her offer to become a couple, and if you do PIV, she says it's OK to come inside her that one time.
 
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Belle

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Complex is a bit of an understatement. The endgame sequence alone tracks several dozen variations depending on what you've accomplished.
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There is a lot more granularity to these choices, from what I remember, than what you've outlined above.

Some questions for Belle
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muschi26

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I apologize if this isn’t a discussion you want to get into, as, though I’ve posted my thoughts on this topic several times before, I’ve never seen you reply to anything of the sort, but I really would like to know: at how many girls do you draw the line for a relationship and why?

I ask this because you chose to include two polyamorous endings in the game (Evelyn and Callie ménage à trois, royal ending)—or a lot more if we include Belle—so I can’t help but wonder, Why is a relationship with two girls (three counting Belle) acceptable, but a harem could never work unless the girls were “mindless sex toys”?

I also read the setting and several characters differently than you seem to:
  • In the royal ending in particular, I don’t see why keeping concubines would be a problem. Selena herself mentions concubines during the finale (unless it was removed from the game) and, so long as it’s clear she would be the only legal wife, I don’t see why there would be a “scandal.” I don’t know if there’s any historical precedent for concubinage starting a revolt (though there’s a lot of evidence of concubinage that didn’t start revolts).
  • Several of the girls seem to me like they wouldn’t be all that opposed to polyamory. It’s already possible to set up an open relationship with Evelyn and Callie; Lillith has sex with Dickon despite knowing he’s sleeping around; Samarra explicitly states that, whatever you’re strong enough to claim for yourself, goes; and Thorn could easily view the situation as something new to try out. (The two girls who would most likely be incompatible are Primrose and Nellie, though the latter, being incredibly naïve and impressionable, could possibly be convinced by Samarra, for instance.)
  • Judging from what happens with Evelyn, who becomes very angry when she first thinks Dickon is two-timing her with Primrose (library blowjob scene), but later can be made to seduce Callie, leading to the aforementioned ménage à trois, Dickon’s mind magic seems capable of “opening the girls up” to sharing, without turning them into “mindless sex toys.”
This isn’t to say that I think a harem ending is “logical,” or that you’re wrong for not writing one, but I simply think a more polygamous ending, or one with a more complex polyamorous situation (some sort of sprawling open relationship), wouldn’t be completely out of the question for these characters.
 

allanl9020142

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I would just like to say, this game is a gem. I wish I could un-play it just to play it again.

Easily one of my top 10 adult games. There are few adult games with this level of quality.
There are very few completed games that make me think that. That was such a great way of putting it.
 

Devronman

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I'm actually in favor of not having a harem ending. It gets super boring and distills the characters down to cardboard cutouts when in real life polyamory is damn hard to maintain without a LOT of effort and time.
 

muschi26

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I'm actually in favor of not having a harem ending. It gets super boring and distills the characters down to cardboard cutouts when in real life polyamory is damn hard to maintain without a LOT of effort and time.
When I made my previous post, I was more so looking to understand the perspective of a creative person whose work I like; I’m not campaigning to have a harem ending added.
 

Belle

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I also read the setting and several characters differently than you seem to:
Look, I'm going to be short and, unfortunately, somewhat curt in my reply here since I'm currently suffering from burnout that, frankly, isn't particularly compatible with this kind of discussion. It takes effort for me to engage in this kind of thing at the time of writing, hence the late reply.

You imply that I'm "reading" the setting and characters. No, I'm not. I created, wrote, and had them live rent-free in my head for years. I'm not interpreting them. My view of how they act and think is the absolute truth by default. You can accuse them of being poorly written since that is a matter of personal opinion. But to claim, or even imply, that my realization of them is wrong is absurd.

You would have written these characters and part of this story differently. Okay. That's fine by me. It doesn't change how I wrote them and how I decided to leave their stories behind as I moved on to other projects. I'm happy with the current state of Long live the Princess.

So, you are unfortunately correct in that this isn't a discussion that I want to get into. I see no value in it. You are more than welcome to interpret and critique this game and its contents to your heart's content. Heck, if you want to call them the worst-written and most poorly realized characters in adult video gaming, then be my guest. But to say that I don't fully understand my own characters? I suspect you didn't quite think that argument through.
 

Milton749

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Look, I'm going to be short and, unfortunately, somewhat curt in my reply here since I'm currently suffering from burnout that, frankly, isn't particularly compatible with this kind of discussion. It takes effort for me to engage in this kind of thing at the time of writing, hence the late reply.

You imply that I'm "reading" the setting and characters. No, I'm not. I created, wrote, and had them live rent-free in my head for years. I'm not interpreting them. My view of how they act and think is the absolute truth by default. You can accuse them of being poorly written since that is a matter of personal opinion. But to claim, or even imply, that my realization of them is wrong is absurd.

You would have written these characters and part of this story differently. Okay. That's fine by me. It doesn't change how I wrote them and how I decided to leave their stories behind as I moved on to other projects. I'm happy with the current state of Long live the Princess.

So, you are unfortunately correct in that this isn't a discussion that I want to get into. I see no value in it. You are more than welcome to interpret and critique this game and its contents to your heart's content. Heck, if you want to call them the worst-written and most poorly realized characters in adult video gaming, then be my guest. But to say that I don't fully understand my own characters? I suspect you didn't quite think that argument through.
Belle, your characters are a long way from the worst written and poorly realized. In fact, they are some of the better ones. I may not have liked a couple of them as romantic options, but enjoyed interacting as friends. I am not a fan of forced romance, which I had to do if I wanted to finish the game and I can honestly say they're wasn't a character that pissed me off.

I, for one, appreciated your game, and the work that went into it, to get the characters out of your mind into a game. I played all the endings, with Lilith/Selena/Belle my absolute fav. Thanks again.
 

professorx10

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And Belle I'd like to second Milton749 's statement about the quality of LltP. It is, IMHO, the most professionally produced 'Adult game' on F95, or anywhere, that I have had the enjoyment of playing. No game or story will EVER satisfy the general population of players completely. I could go on but, I just want to point out that you are correct in your assessment of the value of this subject of discussion.

In this group of F95 players it is obvious that we have a segment of people emotionally requiring 'poly-amorous' or 'harem' outcomes to their games and therefore, this SUBJECT is repetitive, unending, and impossible to satisfy or conclude. Please ignore any posts regarding this subject as it only 'fans the flames' of those permanently attached to their personal, unfulfilled needs.

Your characters were fully 'fleshed out' believable people who's outcomes were completely consistent within the plot's parameters. Congratulations. Close case.

my observation is that this unsatisfyable longing may be a derivative of we human male's inherent sexual characteristics and our continuing 'war within' that we are forever faced with. We have to face that we will always have a 'hunger' that is a characteristic of our being the far more populous, weaker sex that is, basically, expendable. We 'think' we'll be happy living in a harem of women, all hungry for our attention, (the harem group's ideal of heaven) but it would actually be disastrous for us, as men.

We men must face the painful fact of our essential nature, face the brutal facts of survival and rise to face and challenge life's unknowns that arise and become the hero our own part of the eternal story of life vs death...that is why 'the Hero story' is so basic, it is in essence our story, men's story.

Forgive my rambling, In short, I'm saying, harem lovers are fixated on the wrong 'solution' and badly need to change their focus or they'll never find fulfillment. Let's leave them to their fixation and press on.

Thank you for an enjoyable game. I look forward to your further endeavors.
 
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