Ren'Py Completed Long Live the Princess [v1.0.1] [Belle]

[Virulenz]

Perhaps the F95 Staff should think about spliting the NTR tag in "NTR focus" and "optional NTR"...but what about the other tags? Most games have the lesbian tag just because there are a few scenes in it, but searching for lesbian focused games is a pain in the ass. Same goes for most tags, so it would need a big overhaul and a lot of work for the Admins, not to mention the already tagged games...
But well, most of the tags are only helping to precheck if a game match your personal taste and a few unsuitable tags dont matter, but NTR, prostitution, gay, futa/trap, loli/shota, blackmail, rape, incest, and a few more can deeply offend people who are not into it or can be really disappointing for those who explicitly search for this content. So it would make sense if at least those tags get a split up in avoidable or focused...but thats just my humble opinion and i dont know anyone from the staff here...

 

[WTFosaurus]

I lost at Day 44 for the Riddle Solver. I have been following the guide but the clue indicated Nell is the Fey Queen daughter is missing from my playthrough. Does your part working?

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I'm sure you spent a lot of time and effort making your walk through, and I think it's great you're willing to put that much work into a volunteer effort to help out others, I really do.

That said, I would like to suggest that you change the format so it no longer says, "on day X, do Y." I haven't even been here that long, and I've already lost count of the number of times I've seen someone saying, "I'm on day XX and missing something! Halp meeee!!1!1!" It's exhausting for me as a player, I can't even imagine what it must be like for Belle.

The guide would be infinitely more useful, and would cut down on a lot of that, if instead the format was, "For So-and-So's Dark Secret, do these things." You mention in the guide thinking about ordering it by particular Npcs, and I think that's a great idea. I even have some ideas in that direction, and I'd be happy to help out, if you want.

I've looked at doing this but the problem is the unseen variables. Looking through the code there are a lot of variables needed to trigger each scene. So to say you need to do this this and this for a particularly NPC, first you have to say you need to do this action when you talk to them but you can't do this action until you have done this action over here on another girl's section. Some of the hidden attributes like Samara's "Opinion: Partner Potential" I haven't even bothered to look and see what if any scenes they affect.

I'm sure it is possible to make the guide but I just haven't had the time to break down all of those attributes and triggers that would be needed to do it. I know what attributes you need to trigger whether Primrose becomes your girlfriend or friend with benefits. But I don't have all the possibilities to raise her "Like" and "Love" scores.

When it gets done it should be something with sections like:
Player Attributes: (All the things needed to raise those attributes.)
(Girl)'s Attributes: (All the things needed to raise/lower those attributes.)
(Girl)'s Scene: (All the attributes and triggers needed for these scenes.)
Secrets: (Where to learn each secret)
(Girl)'s Secret: (Order to reveal the secrets in)

But by the time Belle starts putting the end game (time limit) in the current format will be basically useless. So rewriting will become less of a good idea and more of a necessity.

 

[Belle]

Hi Belle
few pages back you said that while nothing is determined yet your next game will be very different from LLtP. Does that mean that you're open to the idea of moving from 3D models to original artwork perhaps drawn by other person/people or are 3D models something you're definitely going to stick with and the change you're looking for is in gameplay and setting?

I enjoy your writing immensely and the game's been one of the much too few adult games where you actually want to focus on what the characters are saying instead of just rushing through towards the naughty bits. Personally, I just feel like the uniqueness would become more apparent with original artwork.

I can model and animate in Daz Studio, and rather competently at this point. I've gotten better and better, and once I have a plan, I can churn out images relatively fast. For example, the next update already has 65 renders ready, and they are some of the best and most beautiful renders I've done for the entire game. This, just five days out from the previous release!

If I were to do 2D drawings, I'd have to pay someone a salary to do them for me full-time, and then I'd end up having to rely on that person sticking with me until the end. He or she would be far less productive than I can be with Daz, by a large margin, simply because 2D art takes a lot of time.

I see almost no gain in moving in that direction, just a ton of risk. At this stage, I feel like I do Daz art better than the vast majority of adult game devs out there (I have 2 1/2 years of experience by now, after all), and I'm not about to throw that advantage away.

So 3D models are here to stay for my games.

I'm sure it is possible to make the guide but I just haven't had the time to break down all of those attributes and triggers that would be needed to do it. I know what attributes you need to trigger whether Primrose becomes your girlfriend or friend with benefits. But I don't have all the possibilities to raise her "Like" and "Love" scores.

Some of those variables don't do anything. I may have had a plan for them that turned out not to work.

Once I begin to overhaul the progression in the game, the rules for how these variables are set and used might change dramatically. Diving into them right now could end up being a waste of time once the overhaul arrives.

 

[dikau]

Is Samarra pregnancy (variable) will stay in the game?

 

[Avaron1974]

I'm a NTR fan, I've waited since v19, are there more NTR scene?

It's not an NTR game. That tag was added due to people complaining about the sisters few scenes.

She has 2 or 3 scenes with Thad and that's it.

There are no more.

 

[dikau]

Fairy queen and king event can be considered NTR (netori)

 

[RustyV]

Without the sex scenes LLTP could be a mainstream game, the plot and puzzles are that good.
Would miss naked Belle.

 

[magus448]

It's not an NTR game. That tag was added due to people complaining about the sisters few scenes.

She has 2 or 3 scenes with Thad and that's it.

There are no more.

Having sex with the fairy queen in front of her husband and then basically stealing her from him would count as netori.

 

[Avaron1974]

Having sex with the fairy queen in front of her husband and then basically stealing her from him would count as netori.

After what he did I call that doing a service to the Queen.

 

[dikau]

Sharing Evelyn to Callie is also NTR (netorase)

 

[MysteryCrabs]

Sharing Evelyn to Callie is also NTR (netorase)

Only if Evelyn stays (with Callie).

 

[molerat21]

Is Samarra pregnancy (variable) will stay in the game?

During your second sex scene with her. As far as I know, it is the only time you can get her pregnant out of her three sex scenes.

 

[dikau]

During your second sex scene with her. As far as I know, it is the only time you can get her pregnant out of her three sex scenes.

Yep. I was reacting to Belle about overhauling his/her codes/story progression.

 

[Dreadder]

Loved the reveal in the last update, even though it was rather expected considering everything we learned before. Which is not a criticism but a good thing, since we really got the feeling we actually gradually figured it out by ourselves as opposed to it being dumped on us.

I'm wondering though when the implementation of new scenes for Fey queen training and the scene with unknown woman walking in on MC and Nell in stranger's bedroom is planned? I keep postponing bringing Nell to Fey court because I don't want to miss those.

 

[MysteryCrabs]

I'm wondering though when the implementation of new scenes for Fey queen training and the scene with unknown woman walking in on MC and Nell in stranger's bedroom is planned?

Belle mentioned both of those would likely not be worked on until NG+

 

[Dreadder]

Belle mentioned both of those would likely not be worked on until NG+

Ahh, too bad. Still, it's something to look up to in NG+ at least, I suppose.

Thank you for your answer.

 

[ogr blanc]

i will give my 2 cents on the matter, the game DOES contain NTR. if it has enough to be a "ntr focused game" or not is irrelevant. its like a game containing trap, it doesnt need to be all about traps. same applies here, besides, like some have said, the game contain multiple types of ntr, making the tag even more of note.

if anything, it need a disclaimer(like other games), explaining what ntr it has, so both sides(people who want it, and people who wanna avoid it) can understand what they are getting into.

 

[Sivero]

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I've looked at doing this but the problem is the unseen variables. Looking through the code there are a lot of variables needed to trigger each scene. So to say you need to do this this and this for a particularly NPC, first you have to say you need to do this action when you talk to them but you can't do this action until you have done this action over here on another girl's section. Some of the hidden attributes like Samara's "Opinion: Partner Potential" I haven't even bothered to look and see what if any scenes they affect.

I'm sure it is possible to make the guide but I just haven't had the time to break down all of those attributes and triggers that would be needed to do it. I know what attributes you need to trigger whether Primrose becomes your girlfriend or friend with benefits. But I don't have all the possibilities to raise her "Like" and "Love" scores.

When it gets done it should be something with sections like:
Player Attributes: (All the things needed to raise those attributes.)
(Girl)'s Attributes: (All the things needed to raise/lower those attributes.)
(Girl)'s Scene: (All the attributes and triggers needed for these scenes.)
Secrets: (Where to learn each secret)
(Girl)'s Secret: (Order to reveal the secrets in)

But by the time Belle starts putting the end game (time limit) in the current format will be basically useless. So rewriting will become less of a good idea and more of a necessity.

Ah, shoot. Now I have to go back from day 22 all over again. Thanks for the tip

 

[McCummings]

Anyone know where emma is? Ah fuck, wrong game.

 

[voldybuff]

Oh joy we're back to the good old days of bitching about NTR. How fantastic.