voldybuff

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nah, sunshine and daisies from start to finish isn't interesting. conflict/loss/pain/etc engender appreciation for the good things. happy endings grow from challenges and losses overcome.
I'm one of those who really disagrees with the notion that "Games should be fun!"

It irks me the same way as people who ask me questions like "why would you watch movies with a sad ending or emotional movies? It makes no sense!"

There is certainly space for Games/Movies that radiate feel-good vibes and tie things up with a nice ribbon in the end, and there's certainly an audience for it which I have no issues with, but IMO those tend to be the least memorable and sometimes the most boring stories in my book.

A neat happy ending gives me the same sort of satisfaction that a clicker game would give. Just a temporary dopamine injection without any effort or cost. I won't remember it after a couple of days and it didn't improve me in any way or give me anything, but for a forgettable moment, it did give me a tiny moment of happiness that in the grand scheme meant nothing.

To explain it in terms of an FPS, A game that lets me slowly go cover to cover and peek-shoot-repeat without moving/thinking much is fine but boring. One that forces me to move around and use all of my grenades/equipment because of the tactics used by the AI is hard, challenging and interesting. I'll respect a game that fucks me over now if it will make the next moment that much more interesting. A constant slope of happiness is just an excuse to be mindless for a while. That's not what I want.

Of course, all of this is overkill for a porn game forum lmao I definitely wasted my time typing all that bullshit. Probably gonna be deleted but I'll put it out there anyway.
 
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kotte

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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

It's been two years and a month since I first became our reluctant Truthsayer, and it has been such an amazing journey!

This is the first game that I have supported on a level that puts me in the credits, and I must say I feel proud to be there.
Thank you Belle for creating such an engaging and entertaining experience!

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kotte

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And to drop my 5 cent in the "plot vs content" discussion:

I am totally a Plot guy, to the point that I often don't even try to replay to get the "other" content. I prefer to get the story, as it played out using my choices. I have noticed that playing around with outcomes has a tendency to dilute the emotions that the game created.
This only goes for games with a plot that actually makes me emotionally invested, but LLtP definitely did!

And just as after reading a good book or seing a good movie, today my mind is occupied with the story and the characters.
 

Seewolf

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Well, guys as I'm very hesistant to play the game again from scratch (gladly I've got saves before certain decissions), but I did get the "bad" all become lesbian ending. Maybe it's because I began a relationship with all characters and also impregnated them. I know, that's not the way the game is meant to be played, which is unfortunate for me, since it's just the way I enjoy the most playing an adult game. Anyway I also invaded the mind of the crone/Lilith before the endgame and she had sex with the mc. In the endgame bar talk I tell the mc's family that I don't trust Thaddeus and of course back up Evelyn. I use Samarra to introduce me to the queen and Nella for collecting the berries. But I always get the bad ending.
So any tipps for me to reach another ending? What should I do differently? I guess it has something to do with having a relationship with all possible npc girls and the endgame punishes the mc acting poly. I don't have to take the relationship path with Primrose or Nella, since those are the characters, which don't attract me much. I would like to stay in a relationship with Evelyn, not because I'm really into incest, but because I like her design the most out of all npc in the game, maybe Lilith being second. So any tipps for a different ending?
 
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crabsinthekitchen

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Well, guys as I'm very hesistant to play the game again from scratch (gladly I got saves before certain decissions), but I did get the "bad" all become Lesbian ending. Maybe it's because I began a relationship with all characters and also impregnated them. I know, that's not the way the game is meant to be played, which is unfortunate for me, since it's just the way I enjoy the most playing an adult game. Anyway I also invaded the mind of the crone/Lilith before the endgame and she had sex with the mc. In the endgame bar talk I tell the mc's family that I don't trust Thaddeus and of course back up Evelyn. I use Serrena to introduce me to the queen and Nella for collecting the berries. But I always get the bad ending.
So any tipps for me to reach another ending? What should I do differently? I guess it has something to do with having a relationship with all possible npc girls and the endgame punishes the mc acting poly. I don't have to take the relationship path with Pemrose or Nella, since those are the characters, which don't attract me much. I would like to stay in a relationship with Evelyn, not because I'm really into incest, but because I like her design the most out of all npc in the game, maybe Lilith being second. So any tipps for a different ending?
lesbian ending most likely means Primrose was arrested on your save
 

duningtwo

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Well, guys as I'm very hesistant to play the game again from scratch (gladly I got saves before certain decissions), but I did get the "bad" all become Lesbian ending. Maybe it's because I began a relationship with all characters and also impregnated them. I know, that's not the way the game is meant to be played, which is unfortunate for me, since it's just the way I enjoy the most playing an adult game. Anyway I also invaded the mind of the crone/Lilith before the endgame and she had sex with the mc. In the endgame bar talk I tell the mc's family that I don't trust Thaddeus and of course back up Evelyn. I use Serrena to introduce me to the queen and Nella for collecting the berries. But I always get the bad ending.
So any tipps for me to reach another ending? What should I do differently? I guess it has something to do with having a relationship with all possible npc girls and the endgame punishes the mc acting poly. I don't have to take the relationship path with Pemrose or Nella, since those are the characters, which don't attract me much. I would like to stay in a relationship with Evelyn, not because I'm really into incest, but because I like her design the most out of all npc in the game, maybe Lilith being second. So any tipps for a different ending?
as i figured it out: get all six charisma points and seduce lilith before starting the endgame. seems i did everything you did, assuming by serrena you mean samara. i did leave cassie behind if that affects anything.
lesbian ending most likely means Primrose was arrested on your save
except i proved primrose's innocence, and friendzoned her.
 
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Belle

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The game is so big right now that I don't remember all the paths and requirements without looking up code anymore. Regardless, I'm interested in hearing about situations like Primrose in jail that could lead to getting locked out of the best endings (does this one really? I can't remember why this is the case). I like choice, so opening up for slightly different ways to reach a good ending without succeeding at everything is a potential option. It has to make sense though, and there has to be a way to actually complete your overall objectives in these paths.

One example of something I'm considering is to allow a good ending without having seduced Lilith first. It makes sense if you play your other cards well, though it would lock you out of the king ending. This is the kind of change that would require some development time though. It means rewriting significant chunks of dialogue in parts of the endgame.
 

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if primrose is jailed then she cannot be helping mc on spells and can't cast that "lovespell" on him?
 
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Seewolf

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Thanks for all of your helpful replies, I did save Primrose in my save (I'm even in a relationship), but still I've got the lesbian ending, just because I took Samarra with me instead of Callie? I also have max stats, not by cheating, but by playing the game and unlocking everything. I'll check out how it turns out if I'll take Callie with me instead of Samarra right now.... Maybe that's all I need to do, since Ithink, I really unlocked everything else.
 
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Belle

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if primrose is jailed then she cannot be helping mc on spells and can't cast that "lovespell" on him?
Obviously, and that's not something I would ever change, I suspect. What bothers me more is that I might have locked players out of the best ending even if they later freed Primrose. Because of the [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] [REDACTED] in a future update, I'd like to keep a Primrose imprisonment viable, even if it means making it more difficult to reach the best endings.
 

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Thanks for all of your helpful replies, I did save Pemrose in my save (I'm even in a relationship), but still I got the Lesbian ending, just because I took Samarra with me instead of Callie? I also have max stats, not by cheating, but by playing the game and unlocking everything. I'll check out how it turns out if I take Callie with me instead of Samarra right now.... Maybe that's all I need to do, since I really unlocked everything else.
Belle would be great if the player won't be punished by seducing Lilith in the future...
Obviously having Primrose in jail means she can't cast the love spell on you, which is needed to avert the "all lesbian" ending. Getting the love spell from her is the key, and I am not sure of the exact requirements for that. I presume you have to have a good relationship with her, but I don't know if you actually have to make her your girlfriend.
 

Belle

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Thanks for all of your helpful replies, I did save Pemrose in my save (I'm even in a relationship), but still I got the Lesbian ending, just because I took Samarra with me instead of Callie? I also have max stats, not by cheating, but by playing the game and unlocking everything. I'll check out how it turns out if I take Callie with me instead of Samarra right now.... Maybe that's all I need to do, since I really unlocked everything else.
Belle would be great if the player won't be punished by seducing Lilith in the future...
You don't get punished for seducing Lilith and your choice of Samarra vs Callie in the endgame doesn't matter for the overall outcome. Some people jump to conclusions based off what they saw in their own game.

The MC basically tells you what you need to do to avoid the bad ending you got (after the fact) in most cases. Pay attention to the dialogue.

Also, the next version of the game will include a to-do list that should help avoid some common pitfalls among players.
 
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