Ren'Py Completed Long Live the Princess [v1.0.1] [Belle]

[Rutonat]

My issue with it is that it's not only unhelpful in most situations, it's actually harmful. It tends to give the people who use it the false sense that the day number matters somehow, and if they can't do a thing it tells them to do on day 17, then they're screwed. They stop paying attention to what's going on in the game and start just blindly clicking the response that it tells them to give, so when the wheels eventually fall off at some point they have zero idea what they're supposed to do. "I need a finger bone. Why do I need it? No idea, but the walkthrough says I'm supposed to have it."

When I first discovered this game and started following the thread, I remember Belle made a post stating that the walkthrough encouraged a type of play that was not intended, and would make the game a lesser experience. I took that advice to heart and am very glad that I did, I just wish others would do the same.

It's especially true for narrative games such as this one, in general. Especially with guides that stat where the sex scenes are. You end up having a lot of people just blindling clicking through dialog, picking options according to guides, and then getting in from of, for example, a really hot girl that sets a trap, like getting her scene is a dead end, and they're just "Who the fuck is this ? Why the guide doesn't tell me to get her scene ? I'm getting it anyway." and get boped.
And then you get posts with really dumb questions about the events, because they didn't read anything but the sex scenes. Questions that have been asked and answered over and over.

It's especially frustrating to see when the game's universe is finely crafted, and the characters are really carefully written. Feels disrespectful to the work of the dev/team...

 

[slick97]

It's especially true for narrative games such as this one, in general. Especially with guides that stat where the sex scenes are. You end up having a lot of people just blindling clicking through dialog, picking options according to guides, and then getting in from of, for example, a really hot girl that sets a trap, like getting her scene is a dead end, and they're just "Who the fuck is this ? Why the guide doesn't tell me to get her scene ? I'm getting it anyway." and get boped.
And then you get posts with really dumb questions about the events, because they didn't read anything but the sex scenes. Questions that have been asked and answered over and over.

It's especially frustrating to see when the game's universe is finely crafted, and the characters are really carefully written. Feels disrespectful to the work of the dev/team...

People are more than welcome to use walkthroughs if they so choose, as some are only looking to experience the "best" ending possible. Almost any game that has a sizable following will inevitably fall prey to the community optimizing/strategizing the hell out of it. In general this can often be seen as beneficial for ongoing projects as devs can take the opportunity to fix critical bugs or better flesh out story paths.

Some VN games do rely on time sensitive choices and can very easily cause a player to be locked on a "bad" path (I've had this happen once or twice so far). However, LLtP has taken the approach of notifying the player almost immediately of what's required for a good ending as well as giving the player an unlimited amount of time to prepare. It's an example of a game where the dev has done a phenomenal job in fleshing out both the story and gameplay.

Where is an active Walkthrough, the link on pg 1 is invalid for Mega

The walkthrough for this game hasn't been updated in awhile. Also it's not required since you're given unlimited time to prepare for the endgame.

Spoiler: Endgame Checklist

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This checklist is only useful if Belle doesn't change some of the requirements for the "good" ending. As long as you take your time and pay attention to the in-game dialogue (and hints) you'll have everything you need to start the end sequence.

 

[Rutonat]

People are more than welcome to use walkthroughs if they so choose, as some are only looking to experience the "best" ending possible. Almost any game that has a sizable following will inevitably fall prey to the community optimizing/strategizing the hell out of it. In general this can often be seen as beneficial for ongoing projects as devs can take the opportunity to fix critical bugs or better flesh out story paths.

Some VN games do rely on time sensitive choices and can very easily cause a player to be locked on a "bad" path (I've had this happen once or twice so far). However, LLtP has taken the approach of notifying the player almost immediately of what's required for a good ending as well as giving the player an unlimited amount of time to prepare. It's an example of a game where the dev has done a phenomenal job in fleshing out both the story and gameplay.

You are aware that I never said people shouldn't use walkthroughs or guides, right ? I merely mentioned something that tend to happen when people blindly follow them without trying to figure it out first. Yes, people can use guides, I've done it myself. I'm just think it's a crying shame some people would rather rush through following the "right anwers" without reading what's in between, aside from sex scenes, especially when they then post about how some event happens out of nowhere because they didn't paid any attention to the events unfolding.
I'm not saying using them is disrespectfull to the devs, I'm saying using them to bumrush the story and not pay attention to anything but the porn is ddisrespectfull to the devs.

 

[professorx10]

You are aware that I never said people shouldn't use walkthroughs or guides, right ? I merely mentioned something that tend to happen when people blindly follow them without trying to figure it out first. Yes, people can use guides, I've done it myself. I'm just think it's a crying shame some people would rather rush through following the "right anwers" without reading what's in between, aside from sex scenes, especially when they then post about how some event happens out of nowhere because they didn't paid any attention to the events unfolding.
I'm not saying using them is disrespectfull to the devs, I'm saying using them to bumrush the story and not pay attention to anything but the porn is ddisrespectfull to the devs.

This discussion of walkthroughs caught my eye as I just completed a WT for Callisto, another well written virtual novel free-roaming (or part sandbox) game. The issue is that many first time players of games that let you 'wander through their universe' and experience events in random or varied sequence get lost and frustrated. They get the 'where do I go next to advance the plot' feeling that they're getting nowhere. This is especially true if they're a computer neophyte who is still learning 'which buttons do I push to save a game'.

LltP walk through was a 'hold my hand' type of WT which, for the most part, served a good purpose getting into the game's universe. Later, by missing a clue or two, it sabotaged those who 'just want to walk the shortest path' through the story and win (whether for fapping or not).

To solve that from happening in Callisto, my WT just hand holds the MC through the first 2 weeks of the game action, solves the first (possibly most confusing and difficult) puzzle and sets him up for the first Mission. Then it lets him go on by himself. By then, he's familiar with the game behavior and got a feel for the Callisto Universe. There are other help screens in the game so he's not abandoned but he is on his own from that point. It is not a perfect solution but it helps in complex games like LltP and Callisto IMHO for getting players started and 'off on the right foot.'

 

[Caloi]

im just asking this out of curiosity, but when do you guys think that this game will be completed? cause im interested to play this game and as i know, the main story is almost complete. there is only the side quest remain. so if the game will be completed soon, im probably wait for that instead.

 

[cxx]

im just asking this out of curiosity, but when do you guys think that this game will be completed? cause im interested to play this game and as i know, the main story is almost complete. there is only the side quest remain. so if the game will be completed soon, im probably wait for that instead.

this year.

 

[Deleted member 4722681]

Definitely need some more woman in the shop content Belle

 

[ahxjosu]

wt link is dead

 

[cxx]

wt link is dead

and so?

 

[ahxjosu]

i need it lol

 

[cxx]

i need it lol

no you don't since ingame has hints of what to do. also it's very outdated.

anyways it was reposted on prev. page.

 

[kansasdude]

I've done all the training with Samarra so I have lost interest in earning money...will there be anything added that costs money?

 

[cxx]

I've done all the training with Samarra so I have lost interest in earning money...will there be anything added that costs money?

clothes maybe.

 

[7empest5teele]

I am trying to tie up the loose ends before I initiate the finality of the first part of before I start a +game and the few quests I have left that I cannot find any info on here is 1. Solve the Crone's Dark Secret, 2. Help Callie explore her new sexuality, and 3. Wait for Belle to find a way to copy the Shrink Scroll.
I have spent weeks in-game trying everything I can think of during that time and am stuck on those three.
Assistance would be greatly helpful thank you.

 

[slick97]

1. Solve the Crone's Dark Secret,

Spoiler: Crone's Secret - Clues Required

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2. Help Callie explore her new sexuality

Spoiler: Callie - Explore Sexuality Task

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3. Wait for Belle to find a way to copy the Shrink Scroll.

Spoiler: Shrink Spell

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[cxx]

shrink could be ng+ content.

 

[7empest5teele]

This is mighty confusing, The last time I played through this, I had a VASTLY different ending, and had to make one of two choices, THIS time, even though I played it fully through, finished every quest more than completely, I still ended up with the worst ending possible for almost everyone involved...I can't think of a worse ending than THAT, where was the debate, where were the damning questions, the irrefutable PROOF that won the choice??

 

[Anothercuriousonehere]

Hi i am new here, and to be sincere i am not the kind of people who uses to play those games, i am actually a bit embarrassed but since i had give this particular game a try have been obsessed for months always trying to reach any different endings, and i find it a great game, especially because the "adventure" things rather than just sex. however i am here because i have some questions since some time ago, and altought i had read this tread before i am intrigued to know some things respecting the pixie, (as she is the character who you have the most interaction with) even if they may sound silly.
At the Harem ending the pixie is killed by the spell right?
How besides magic Belle managed to put her new clothes with her wings?

Spoiler: The fate of Belle

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also another thing, i know who i may be asking a lot but could you eventually pick the pixie when it is sleeping at the lake? could be fun. Also there would be a way to tell the Pixie when she begins to rub your "thumb" at night, something like. get the fuck out! or at the first time when she "asked" to get licked, to say "No" like in the other instances?
Well, thank you very much if you manage to answer at least some of the questions i would be glad, sincere regards. And i am sorry for taking your time

 

[slick97]

This is mighty confusing, The last time I played through this, I had a VASTLY different ending, and had to make one of two choices, THIS time, even though I played it fully through, finished every quest more than completely, I still ended up with the worst ending possible for almost everyone involved...I can't think of a worse ending than THAT, where was the debate, where were the damning questions, the irrefutable PROOF that won the choice??

The "good" ending has several requirements to access it. For those curious, I'll leave a spoiler below of what you'll need.

Spoiler: Endgame Checklist

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As long as you have the following points checked off you should be able to obtain the "good" ending. I haven't tested if other variations are possible, but alternate approaches were hinted at in-game. Due to the lack of a time sensitive events you can trigger the endgame to start on any day of your choosing.

 

[cxx]

How besides magic Belle managed to put her new clothes with her wings?

special tailored (mc prolly cut openings for wings) or she can subtract wings.