Jsd16

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No problem, I will remove the dream for the faithful love path. I can understand the logic.
Thanks for your explanation.
Really dev if u choose to stay faithful , she will be faithful and doesn't dream about that or there will be no dream scene and if u choose to be unfaithful ( lust / harem path ) the dream scene will still be there or she will think of it ( she will be in unfaithful / corrupted ) .What's the logic in that , u have to stay faithful or she will thinking / dreaming of cheating u , When did it turn open relationship or u decide to add cuckold / swìnging / swapping path altogether or u changed lust / harem path into swinging path .

Just FYI I don't hate ur game , i loved it but u decide to do surprise NTR which is a big mistake , if it was tagged I wouldn't have bothered playing it. Continue developing the game u wish but don't try to add tags in the midde of the game .
 
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AL.d

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At the end of the game, you'll can juge me. If it's always a NTR for you, I will add the tag.
For the moment, until day 10, nothing is NTR no?
Well there is your mistake. From the very moment you decided to post a porn game here, assume everything is ntr. It doesn't matter if your MC isn't jealous, if it doesn't fit the definition, if it's a dream or if it's even a conjured copy of MC joining in a 3some. If Fapmaster69 feels cucked by your pixels, it's ntr.

You'll do a favor to your self to stop trying to understand that (not) logic and just make the game you want to make.
 
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WuzzyFuzzy

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... the reality here is whether or not you did remove it, that wasn't ever going to have much of effect on your core bottomline going forward here. ...
Well and eloquently stated.

I would add this bit of advice for the dev. Do you consider this undertaking to be artistic or commercial in nature? If you lean towards the artistic, then stick with your creation and vision to its conclusion. You will never, ever, make everyone happy, so don't even try. Keep a thick skin and politely answer peeps and keep plugging away.

If, however, you lean more towards the commercial side of things then create what I call harem-cest games in a school setting and you're likely to make more money. But even then, don't be too swayed by those on here.

Folks that are here to explore and enjoy games will do just that. They may pass on this game but love the next, or vice versa. But be true to you. Everyone else will get over it sooner or later.
 

SeveredRealms

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If on the harem path or romance she still walks off to take drugs with the other guy The game will be dropped by a bunch of people... doesnt matter if you say she will come back to the mc the next day she should never had anything to do with the other person you already ruined her for the romance harem crowd just by having her leave with the other person. By the way the general consensus on harem paths is the girl stays with the mc and doesnt think or dream or walk off with any other guy.
 

AL.d

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Well and eloquently stated.

I would add this bit of advice for the dev. Do you consider this undertaking to be artistic or commercial in nature? If you lean towards the artistic, then stick with your creation and vision to its conclusion. You will never, ever, make everyone happy, so don't even try. Keep a thick skin and politely answer peeps and keep plugging away.

If, however, you lean more towards the commercial side of things then create what I call harem-cest games in a school setting and you're likely to make more money. But even then, don't be too swayed by those on here.

Folks that are here to explore and enjoy games will do just that. They may pass on this game but love the next, or vice versa. But be true to you. Everyone else will get over it sooner or later.
Creating yet another harem-cest game doesn't seem a good way to "go commercial" in my view. We get about 30 of those each week. Unless one provides an absolute top-notch game in both graphics and story, it will struggle. That's what market saturation does.

Starting with commercial in mind is a bad choice in general. Most succesful games started as something their creator enjoyed making and became commercial in the process. The very few that started as a commercial endeavor and managed to succeed, also had a very clear creative vision. There are some succesful milking projects as outliers but even those had something that distiniguished them from others to hook players.
 
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ubblesnop

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By the end of the game, I DESPISE Lucie. I would 100% dump a girl in real life if she ever treated me like that. Not only is she flirting with other guys, she ALSO is abusively jealous! Even if you reject Joie, Lucy STILL behaves like a spoiled viper! What a nightmare.
 

ubblesnop

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It doesn't matter if your MC isn't jealous, if it doesn't fit the definition, if it's a dream or if it's even a conjured copy of MC joining in a 3some. If Fapmaster69 feels cucked by your pixels, it's ntr.

You'll do a favor to your self to stop trying to understand that (not) logic
That's how words work. The writers of dictionaries did not create our words and mandate definitions for them; definitions are *descriptive* not *prescriptive*; if someone says an apple is not an apple because a clause in the definition of the word "apple" doesn't match, it means *the definition is wrong*. Not the people who use language.

For this case, suppose a male protagonist in a game hooks up with another guy, jerks him off, but that's all. Would the tag "gay sex" fit? Suppose the dev says it shouldn't have the tag because they don't have sex. But players still vicariously give a handjob to another dude, and many of them would prefer not to. That's an exact parallel to "but the MC isn't jealous, therefore it's not NTR."

I wish everyone would err on the side of adding the tag, because that's what they teach in linguistics classes, because players who fantasize about one or more women who is truly *theirs* deserve a warning, and because it would stop all these circular conversations.
 

Liam the Handyman

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The forum tag is as such.

1) Zoe orginally had romantic interest in MC and imma very sure a number of players do for her as well. So yes, it fits the tag...
2) Lucy having dream sex scene with another guy...fits the tag too...since we are on a ROMANCE path with her...

I will be honest, i think even now if Dev adds in a NTR tag its still gona generate some hate but at least new players will know what they are coming into.

If anything else, imma still liking the game. I just wish dev acknowledge the game as lowkey NTR for transparency and tag it accordingly.
 
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packard1928

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What is the new content.... THere is on new story beyond my last save ? Is all the content infill ?
 

AL.d

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That's how words work. The writers of dictionaries did not create our words and mandate definitions for them; definitions are *descriptive* not *prescriptive*; if someone says an apple is not an apple because a clause in the definition of the word "apple" doesn't match, it means *the definition is wrong*. Not the people who use language.

For this case, suppose a male protagonist in a game hooks up with another guy, jerks him off, but that's all. Would the tag "gay sex" fit? Suppose the dev says it shouldn't have the tag because they don't have sex. But players still vicariously give a handjob to another dude, and many of them would prefer not to. That's an exact parallel to "but the MC isn't jealous, therefore it's not NTR."

I wish everyone would err on the side of adding the tag, because that's what they teach in linguistics classes, because players who fantasize about one or more women who is truly *theirs* deserve a warning, and because it would stop all these circular conversations.
You know what doesn't work? Defining what's included in a game, not from what characters are written to do/feel but from what a single player feels about a certain scene. Because guess what, players aren't a gestalt consciousness who share the same feelings about things. Proclaiming a game has x kink because you, a random player feels a certain a way, while the character is not written to feel that, and the definitions in use don't apply, is simply a false statement.

I was playing a medieval fantasy rpg the other day. Devs had included a silly toy gun in it, you could use only through console. I could proclaim I was playing an FPS simply because it has that toy gun even if the game didn't function as one in the slightest. I 'd be wrong.
 
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WuzzyFuzzy

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Creating yet another harem-cest game doesn't seem a good way to "go commercial" in my view. We get about 30 of those each week. Unless one provides an absolute top-notch game in both graphics and story, it will struggle. That's what market saturation does.
You are likely correct. I was approaching it from the perspective of the path with least resistance.
 

mo4444

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People on F95 are so over-the-top in their reactions to anything perceived as NTR it's hilarious.

I would not pay too much attention to what people say in this forum, it's probably not that representative of people paying for your content...
 

Liam the Handyman

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Sure, we all hope for our romantic partners to immediately wanna sleep with a new dude or to dream of a foursome with a new guy they just met. Thats so romantic right?

I mean, if you can't handle it, you must be narrow minded or jealous or insecure...

NTRsplaining at its best...

Edit: Bascially, just tag the game correctly pls dev... i remember you said you were inspired by babysitter... that game has the ntr tag even though its optional...

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I see you added new tags... with group sex and MMF... comeon.. honestly you refuse to just tag it as NTR when you are obviously moving towards it.. why are you trying to hide it? Your game has FFM but you don't put it but in planned tags you decided that MMF must be clearly stated? Its so strange...
 
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slapper32

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The translation is very obviously written by a French guy that speaks English but doesn't write a lot in English. I find it hilarious, please don't change it because I love speaking in a French accent. Wee wee, a bientôt.
 

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