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So essentially.... she really has DID (double personality) or her twin got fused with her (? oh well..... things happens....
No, I mean:
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She's hard to see and easy to miss with the back of the chair covering all but the top of her head, but she's there. The context she gives for the other Maid should come before you talk to the other one, though, so I moved her (and on a separate note, there's another Maid in the southern chair at the table next to them).
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Some top notch humor: Viridius finds cults absurds but... all the maids are literally "LONG LIVE THE LEADER!!".... some double standard there uh....

Also on a completly different note.... wasn't there the "skeleton" of mistress nithercoot (or a skeleton making a reference to someone who wasn't folk or servant) in the wilds before the beauregard manor?
Masters are hypocritical like that. Since they have the power and influence they do, they tend to find religion/deities as something that's beneath them, and the resulting behavior from their Servants can make the Master seem worshipped.
Which, ironically, gives some of them god complexes and motivates them to do things like start cults. There's a book about some of the other cults that have existed in the home Estate's library.

And the skeleton is still there, but it's implied to be a Servant that was out fighting in a bikini, not Lady Nithercott.
 

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She's hard to see and easy to miss with the back of the chair covering all but the top of her head, but she's there. The context she gives for the other Maid should come before you talk to the other one, though, so I moved her (and on a separate note, there's another Maid in the southern chair at the table next to them).
Yeah... I think i prefer my version of events... :ROFLMAO:
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And the skeleton is still there, but it's implied to be a Servant that was out fighting in a bikini, not Lady Nithercott.
Ah so it was just my foggy memory....

Speaking of memory.... If it doesnt fail me again...

1) When you defeated one of the mini boss in Balefight manor (i think it was the bat one?) He said something to the mc that triggered some kind of last words? I didn't unlock that, maybe its dependant if you repaired the manor headstone? (in this run i didnt repair it yet, but neither destroyed it)

2) wasn't the governor's maid with the merchant after you defeated all the enemies in Clannestad?

And a mini-bug:
When u interact with the maid's bedtable(?) (where her diary is), the dialogue with melissa just repeats itself, even if she's unconscious
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Edit: after posting this i decided to repair the headstone and encountered another bug? Master saids he cant bring himself to destroy it and half of it dissapears....

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Edit2: not sure if it's a bug or not, but I just finished the 2nd freeze and can't unlock the loveshack yet, if we go by the trophy's order it should be before balefight, right?

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LF help, can't progress the accord at roich, using the guide and images from zwonk (page 74), the first part of the hold dance puzzle won't work/ give me access to the next two parts of the puzzle, I get the wrong step message no matter what plate I step on, beyond that following the guide instructions yield no results and the sides containing the next parts of the puzzle don't open. It'll let me go around and collect all the signatures from both the maids/butlers and villagers including the grandma (phoebe translation scene plays) however returning to the girl upstairs will trigger the "still have a few signatures left" dialogue, even after collecting all but her signatures. I've attached a save at the hold before talking to fuckwad to claim rioch and my global file, both in the .rar file.
save is edited but only for silcrow and maid combat stats, no actual variables have been touched.
 
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Yeah... I think i prefer my version of events... :ROFLMAO:
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At least you spoiler'd it out. Don't want people learning the truth. >.>

Ah so it was just my foggy memory....

Speaking of memory.... If it doesnt fail me again...

1) When you defeated one of the mini boss in Balefight manor (i think it was the bat one?) He said something to the mc that triggered some kind of last words? I didn't unlock that, maybe its dependant if you repaired the manor headstone? (in this run i didnt repair it yet, but neither destroyed it)

2) wasn't the governor's maid with the merchant after you defeated all the enemies in Clannestad?
Yup, the interaction changes based on what you've done with the Nithercott headstone, which includes doing nothing.

And yes, but not until Katrina's affection quest.

And a mini-bug:
When u interact with the maid's bedtable(?) (where her diary is), the dialogue with melissa just repeats itself, even if she's unconscious
Good catch. Should be fixed for v0.22, but I don't have a nearby save, so I can't test it easily.

Edit: after posting this i decided to repair the headstone and encountered another bug? Master saids he cant bring himself to destroy it and half of it dissapears....
Says he can't bring himself to do it, then does it anyway. This guy, I tell you what...
Looks like there's an overlap in the self-switches being operated. Fixed for v0.22.
And hopefully I didn't make another bug. Existing saves that experienced the bug should just see it fixed, but there might be a different bug that comes up where other existing saves that went with another option might get an extra Headstone Material. Not ideal, but the lesser evil of the other possible bugs moving those switches around could cause.

Edit2: not sure if it's a bug or not, but I just finished the 2nd freeze and can't unlock the loveshack yet, if we go by the trophy's order it should be before balefight, right?
Yup, but you have to operate the "love shack found" switch, which can be easy to miss if you know it's there and stop in on your way to Cumhaill for the first time to grab the gear before you have Phoebe.
If you did that, go inside and interact with the empty chest (or grab the loot if you never opened it), and Phoebe will tell you about the shack. Go outside, and you should get the "I should come back to fix this up" message. Leave and come back, and that'll trigger a "I don't think anyone followed me" message. Once you start getting that second message, you'll be able to start repairs.

LF help, can't progress the accord at roich, using the guide and images from zwonk (page 74), the first part of the hold dance puzzle won't work/ give me access to the next two parts of the puzzle, I get the wrong step message no matter what plate I step on, beyond that following the guide instructions yield no results and the sides containing the next parts of the puzzle don't open. It'll let me go around and collect all the signatures from both the maids/butlers and villagers including the grandma (phoebe translation scene plays) however returning to the girl upstairs will trigger the "still have a few signatures left" dialogue, even after collecting all but her signatures. I've attached a save at the hold before talking to fuckwad to claim rioch and my global file, both in the .rar file.
save is edited but only for silcrow and maid combat stats, no actual variables have been touched.
Sounds to me like you're missing the bit where you have to step on the same panel twice sometimes. That seems to trip a lot of people up.

As far as the signatures go - you're probably just still missing one or two. I unfortunately don't currently have the time to check your save to figure out which one(s) you might be missing, but I've had people ask for help with it in the past, and there's always been at least one Servant they missed.
 

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At least you spoiler'd it out. Don't want people learning the truth. >.>


Yup, the interaction changes based on what you've done with the Nithercott headstone, which includes doing nothing.

And yes, but not until Katrina's affection quest.


Good catch. Should be fixed for v0.22, but I don't have a nearby save, so I can't test it easily.


Says he can't bring himself to do it, then does it anyway. This guy, I tell you what...
Looks like there's an overlap in the self-switches being operated. Fixed for v0.22.
And hopefully I didn't make another bug. Existing saves that experienced the bug should just see it fixed, but there might be a different bug that comes up where other existing saves that went with another option might get an extra Headstone Material. Not ideal, but the lesser evil of the other possible bugs moving those switches around could cause.


Yup, but you have to operate the "love shack found" switch, which can be easy to miss if you know it's there and stop in on your way to Cumhaill for the first time to grab the gear before you have Phoebe.
If you did that, go inside and interact with the empty chest (or grab the loot if you never opened it), and Phoebe will tell you about the shack. Go outside, and you should get the "I should come back to fix this up" message. Leave and come back, and that'll trigger a "I don't think anyone followed me" message. Once you start getting that second message, you'll be able to start repairs.


Sounds to me like you're missing the bit where you have to step on the same panel twice sometimes. That seems to trip a lot of people up.

As far as the signatures go - you're probably just still missing one or two. I unfortunately don't currently have the time to check your save to figure out which one(s) you might be missing, but I've had people ask for help with it in the past, and there's always been at least one Servant they missed.
Thanks, managed to get it sorted. Turns out I was being stupid, followed the moves but I thought passing over with the jump animation was the indicator for correct movement. The accord signing still has a weird bug I think, as I double checked on an alt save and you can still sign the accord with everyone except the nursery maid until the girl in the attic without claiming the hold, leaving you one signature short (she still has the accord dialogue without claiming the hold), which begins by talking to the blonde single mother in the bottom right house in roich regardless of whether or not you claim the hold. Just a confusing softlock on that alt quest I think?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the signatures in the mansion are the two in the kitchen, green hair on stairs, passed out maid and tour guide maid. Signatures in the village are the couple with baby, green hair, the single mother and the butler outside. Then the rest are grandma, girl in the attic and the nursey maid who you get first to start the signing mini-quest in with the first signature dialogue. I believe that's all 12 (12 are mentioned by nursery maid when you talk to her with low/no signatures)?
 
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Thanks, managed to get it sorted. Turns out I was being stupid, followed the moves but I thought passing over with the jump animation was the indicator for correct movement. The accord signing still has a weird bug I think, as I double checked on an alt save and you can still sign the accord with everyone except the nursery maid until the girl in the attic without claiming the hold, leaving you one signature short (she still has the accord dialogue without claiming the hold), which begins by talking to the blonde single mother in the bottom right house in roich regardless of whether or not you claim the hold. Just a confusing softlock on that alt quest I think?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the signatures in the mansion are the two in the kitchen, green hair on stairs, passed out maid and tour guide maid. Signatures in the village are the couple with baby, green hair, the single mother and the butler outside. Then the rest are grandma, girl in the attic and the nursey maid who you get first to start the signing mini-quest in with the first signature dialogue. I believe that's all 12 (12 are mentioned by nursery maid when you talk to her with low/no signatures)?
No, your count is right.
Caitlainn (the Maid in the nursery) serves as your point of contact for creating the Accord, so you can go back to her to double check if you still need signatures, but you also need to go back to her to seal the Accord into effect once you have all those signatures.
It sounds to me like you're at the step where you go back to Caitlainn and select the Chat option and you'll seal the Accord.

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And sorry for not getting back to you sooner; I've been running on momentum alone for the past couple days trying to keep up with social obligations and still get v0.22 done for release today. My brain is kinda fried, and I need a day off.
Good news though - v0.21 is now public and available in the OP.
 

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im currently stuck and i dont know where to go to continue. i have 3 main quest and one character quest in my task list.

main quest:
1- sins of my father, it says attend the cult meeting but i have no idea where to go exactly.
2- a long time coming, it says to go evidoka, but i thick it is bugged because i think i finished everything related to this quest.
3- regular poirot. investigate and destroy the order, i believe this is a quest meant to be as i finish other quest but im not sure.

character quest:
1- safari song. visit wilds flower grove, again i dont know where that is.

can anyone direct me where should i be going to continue with the quests. thank you.
 

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So it's a conflict of:
- if you got her signature, she updated the variable to an absolute value and operated that self switch
- if she updated the variable and self switch, she'd be talking about her grandma if you talk to her again
- if Ella says you're missing signatures when you talk to her, she operated the variable in the wrong direction (which she can't do) or she didn't operate the variable or the self switch at all (which indicates a signature still being missing)
Those three things can't be true at the same time according to the way the game logic is organized.
I went digging through the scripting and event ordering three or four separate times since you posted, and unless there's something else modifying your save in a way that's causing an inconsistency specifically in that one variable and that girl's self-switches (which is a level of specificity that would require very deliberate effort; the odds it happens by accident is infinitesimal), the result you're getting shouldn't be possible.
Might be more than that at play in v0.20.

In these saves there's sequence and plot breaking bugs preventing Master from getting all the Accord signatures AND prevent Ella's affection side-quest.

From an earlier file I was able to do everything expected by recalling the
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but in that save there was nothing preventing me from meeting Farquhar and then going directly to sleep without investigating Roich, which is what happened leading to these saves:

Save info: No edits. I did play through some of the earlier bugs I reported concerning Assaaain and Cursewielder maids popping up way early.

file 31: If I investigate Roich at this point and THEN talk with Farquhar, Ella's side-quest will not trigger and I end up not being able to get the Accord signatures for the Roich couple (Middle Top row of Roich homes.) I can go upstairs to trigger the vault raid, with the same results, except Caitlainn(!) and Adhdre's granny, also... minor, but it's been established that Farquhar should innately know through his connection to his Estate that he's a few thousand Silcrow light... oddly coinciding precisely with my delay in talking to him... he doesn't even bring it up(?) in the 2nd meeting, but the text I can say after is written as if that's not unexpected. If I talk to Farquhad I end up with those same results, which you can see in file 32.

Hopefully these have already been reported.

Just now I transferred the saves to V 0,21 to check and at least SOME of the bugs persist.



 
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So where the hell is Kala? I found the items inside the wasted estates, got the Theurgic Axe and went around and back, but no dice. Moorgor is fully explored but it doesn't show as solved in the Task List too.
 

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So where the hell is Kala? I found the items inside the wasted estates, got the Theurgic Axe and went around and back, but no dice. Moorgor is fully explored but it doesn't show as solved in the Task List too.

I have the same issue
 

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Is Iris missable?
Technically and currently, yes; if you get the worst possible outcome and end up enemies with Archibald, he'll lock you out of his mansion, which is where Iris is. It's still possible to get Iris before completing the segment, but if you don't get her before completing it and get the bad end, you won't be able to get to her.

Though I'm going to be adding a secondary way of recruiting her for that scenario for v0.23.

im currently stuck and i dont know where to go to continue. i have 3 main quest and one character quest in my task list.

main quest:
1- sins of my father, it says attend the cult meeting but i have no idea where to go exactly.
2- a long time coming, it says to go evidoka, but i thick it is bugged because i think i finished everything related to this quest.
3- regular poirot. investigate and destroy the order, i believe this is a quest meant to be as i finish other quest but im not sure.

character quest:
1- safari song. visit wilds flower grove, again i dont know where that is.

can anyone direct me where should i be going to continue with the quests. thank you.
For Sins of the Father - the cult meetings take place in Ambrose Theatre. It's the first building in Ambrose City.

For A Long Time Coming - that does sound bugged based on your description (it should be complete if Sins of the Father is active), but it's possible you hit the ending of it that leaves you and Archibald allies. If that's the case, you have to go to Evdokia's audience hall (go into The Gate and talk to the Servant in the booth) and talk to Archibald to get your trophy. If you can't get into Ambrose Theatre, that's probably why.

For Regular Poirot - it's kinda done. I know I don't really explain it that well within the narrative, and no other objectives come up regarding it, but once you find out the cult isn't directly responsible for killing your parents, destroying the cult becomes an optional secondary objective, and the method to complete (or officially ignore) that optional secondary objective hasn't been put in the game yet.

For Safari Song - the grove is in the wilds between your Estate and Cumhaill. There's a path behind some trees that'll lead you to an area where there's a bunch of butterflies and flowers. You just walk into it.

So where the hell is Kala? I found the items inside the wasted estates, got the Theurgic Axe and went around and back, but no dice. Moorgor is fully explored but it doesn't show as solved in the Task List too.
I have the same issue
The first location she's in is the Detheridge Estate. There are little piles of rocks that denote the side entrances of the towers for their facings that can't show a door.

Might be more than that at play in v0.20.

In these saves there's sequence and plot breaking bugs preventing Master from getting all the Accord signatures AND prevent Ella's affection side-quest.

From an earlier file I was able to do everything expected by recalling the
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but in that save there was nothing preventing me from meeting Farquhar and then going directly to sleep without investigating Roich, which is what happened leading to these saves:

Save info: No edits. I did play through some of the earlier bugs I reported concerning Assaaain and Cursewielder maids popping up way early.

file 31: If I investigate Roich at this point and THEN talk with Farquhar, Ella's side-quest will not trigger and I end up not being able to get the Accord signatures for the Roich couple (Middle Top row of Roich homes.) I can go upstairs to trigger the vault raid, with the same results, except Caitlainn(!) and Adhdre's granny, also... minor, but it's been established that Farquhar should innately know through his connection to his Estate that he's a few thousand Silcrow light... oddly coinciding precisely with my delay in talking to him... he doesn't even bring it up(?) in the 2nd meeting, but the text I can say after is written as if that's not unexpected. If I talk to Farquhad I end up with those same results, which you can see in file 32.

Hopefully these have already been reported.

Just now I transferred the saves to V 0,21 to check and at least SOME of the bugs persist.
Sure enough. If you get to Adhdre without going through Roich first, she skips the first half of the Accord progression for you regardless of how far along you are. That's mostly fine if you've at least gone through and stepped inside all the buildings in Roich, but if you get to the point where you're collecting signatures and you've only ever been in the nursery, you end up "collecting a signature" every time you step into a house. That makes it possible to blow past the number of signatures you need, which is definitely a problem. That negatively affect's Ella's affection quest because the first steps check the same variable, so it'll bug out if it's higher than it's supposed to be.
Similar issues had been reported before, but every time someone shared a save or got back to me, it really was as simple as a missed signature. I was (or they were) able to talk to all the NPCs to find the one that was missed and proceed as normal.
If I tried to maximize the bug, I was able to get that variable over 30, which made the NPCs behave as though I already had the Accord despite the Accord not being in my inventory and the variable being to high to be able to go back and get it from Caitlainn.

So, to fix the progression, Adhdre will now actually check where the variable is when you first meet her and have different dialogue depending on whether Caitlainn told you to ask her about the secret Hold entrance. That's the only progression inconsistency I could find, so that should fix the problem for both the Accord and Ella's first affection quest.
Which, as far as that goes, I didn't notice any issues with its progression as it relates to the variable, but I did notice it's checking for a quest step that never gets operated, which makes me wonder how I managed to complete it for my own playthrough. It was checking for the 4th step to be active, which shouldn't be active until you complete the third step, which is going into the abandoned home in Roich to activate the 4th step (which it obviously can't do because it never got operated) so that's also fixed to check the correct step and operate the next step now.
There is still technically a way to skip Caitlainn telling you to talk to Adhdre, but that's only because the variable will have already reached the point it needs to for everything else to function normally, and there's no indication that you need to go to Adhdre at that point outside of Caitlainn telling you to do it. So that can just exist as a "you've probably done this before if you know to be here already" thing.
And Caitlainn has had her conditional checks updated for existing saves so if you ran into this, you can still get the trophy.
All these fixes won't be present until v0.23, but attached is a patch that'll at least update Caitlainn so you can get the trophy you earned if the problem is that you got the variable up to or over 28 while collecting signatures.
To apply it, rename it to remove the '.txt' extension (so it should be named Map491.json) and drop it into the 'data' folder. You'll know it's in the right place when you're prompted to overwrite. Overwrite the old file, and you can get your trophy.

Thanks a bunch to you and lilhornycunt for your help figuring this out!
 

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Technically and currently, yes; if you get the worst possible outcome and end up enemies with Archibald, he'll lock you out of his mansion, which is where Iris is. It's still possible to get Iris before completing the segment, but if you don't get her before completing it and get the bad end, you won't be able to get to her.
I just finished Archibald's mansion segment with a good ending, becoming allies I assume, but didn't get Iris. Do I get her later?
 

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I love that strategy. I don't use it very often myself, but it's nice to see at least someone out there appreciates how effective stacking buffs and debuffs can be, especially when you also use crowd control ailments.
But yeah, that fight is mostly an opportunity to be a thorn in Archibald's side (with it also functioning as a tutorial of the later fight), with some bonuses if you drag it out long enough. Unless you pick the option that skips the fight.
No trophy, though. Not directly, anyway. One of the bonuses you get for reaching the point where he says "Your persistence is utter madness!" counts towards a trophy you can get later on if that score is high enough. I did think about bringing it back as a challenge fight you could try later on, but I couldn't think of an appropriate trophy or other reward for actually beating it, and by the time it could be repeated, it's a fair bit later in the game and would be much less challenging.

And I'm glad you like it! I'm 3-4 more updates away from completing the story, and after a little over 3 years of development, it's kinda hard to believe the end is actually in sight.
It's been a hell of a ride for me, too.


You actually hit it right on the head.
If you get the VIP trophy in the city (which you can get after Lalita patches you up after the duel), an extra blonde Maid appears in the Maid side of Ambrose Tailor. She'll sell you an extra Silk Apron before you'd otherwise be able to get one through Emily/Alexander.
It is a ton of money to spend, but in my testing, I had one of every Contract Emily sells and had enough to get everything and have a bit left over. If you end up broke after getting the trophy, you can get some back by going to SCQ HQ, which should be enough to buy the apron.

You don't need gold, though. I did initially want to add gold as a secondary currency using Ambrose Bank, but I couldn't find a plugin to handle it that wouldn't break the game, and doing it without a plugin made things feel cumbersome and generally not fun to use as a player. The only real benefit to it was showing in a practical way how much gold a single Silcrow is meant to be.
How much money do I have to spend ugh
 

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How do you recruit Iris? I have spent hours talking to the people in town trying to see if there are any hints or ways to progress, I have 1 or more of every item sold in town except furniture type items but I just can't figure out how to make any progress with recruiting her. Really hesitant to continue with the story before I get her as I want to make sure I get her before the freeze starts.
I have been to every single shop and bought things they offer I'm devastated
 
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