- Jan 21, 2022
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Yeah, no. I'm not akchyually-ing you. You seem to be the one providing those responses with each of your replies. But I appreciate your projections.
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- Sep 26, 2019
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I want more of the mc's wife and sister. Never enough
I want the wife and the black couple to finally happen... And I want more Haley, perhaps with a schoolmate... Also the secretary. Need more of her.
Yup. Whether or not you're a patron the dev owes you nothing. NOT A DAMN THING. As you mentioned in the part of your response that I dropped, there is no contractual relationship between you and the dev. So feel butt hurt all you like that he was more silent than you'd prefer. Your feelings are your privilege. But in the real world you have the choice. If you're a patron you can pull your support. If you're not you can stop following the game. That's about it.
You might ask yourself a question about why you're getting push back. The reason is this is a very good VN and the dev has generally been very responsive and transparent about his releases. So he's garnered a lot of loyal support. Support that's been earned over the three years and three months that he's devoted to this game.
So don't be surprised that the overwhelming majority of us that follow this VN give him the benefit of the doubt if occasionally he's a few weeks late.
- Apr 2, 2019
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Ah, I see you are a grouch of culture as well. Yes, that swinging scene is way overdue, there can never be enough Hailey in one update, and Steph is due for a scene or two. Maybe the dark skinned beauty shown in the very last renders of the last update is a schoolmate of Hailey.
- Jun 2, 2017
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OK as a Subscriber:
We give Nef our money and he posts on SubStar about real life BS getting in the way (because it does to all of us) and we all say some form of:
No sweat, take your time, we can wait, we love your work
So don't fukkin speak for us unless that is what you are saying
And Also UncleFredo takes the point on that argument
- May 14, 2017
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Devs owe you nothing here.
Yep, always love it when people come on a pirate site, download the games, refuse to support the developers, and then complain that the developers aren't updating their pirated games fast enough...
The only thing this game needs is more redheads.
- Sep 28, 2017
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You are right I do not support this dev, but I support many others and if dev had a schedule, stuck to it and communicated, I would.
Actually most patreon subs come from these sites. All the games I support I learned about on this site.
But hey, if you see a dude not let a grandma have a seat, you have no say in that, right? No right to be angry, because you are not the grandma and you did not build that bus?
I call an asshole move when I see one. And yeah, I did expect pushback. Its like going into a discord for a game with valid criticism for it. People who are on that discord probably suck the devs cock, so you are just going into their echo chamber with an opposing opinion.
Look at it this way. The dev thinks his patrons and his supporters are not worth 10 seconds of his time. I will leave it at that. You can go back to your kumbaya, peace.
Mate there's no point arguing with some people, they think devs can do no wrong because they like the game. There's still people defending Ecchi Sensei to this day despite there's being no update in over a year. Like I was a subscriber to Nef and a good few pages back I've even defended him but now the delays and the fading in and out of activity is getting a bit too much.
- Sep 20, 2021
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Not everything has to be a transaction. Not everything has to be a virtual blood contract where expectations must be met or one party has defaulted and betrayed some notional trust.
Not every vote of sympathy is kissing a dev's ass. It's really a shame some people have to see it that way.
Sometimes it's just good old patience and empathy; prized virtues in a world rife with the entitled and over-privileged don't you think? Worth striving to be our better selves for, I reckon.
Not every vote of sympathy is kissing a dev's ass. It's really a shame some people have to see it that way.
Sometimes it's just good old patience and empathy; prized virtues in a world rife with the entitled and over-privileged don't you think? Worth striving to be our better selves for, I reckon.
- Dec 1, 2019
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The dev did not think about it because of other priorities. Yes, he should have, and it would have been physically possible, but he didn't. However that does not mean "does not care", sometimes you forget about tasks when urgent stuff comes round. I forgot to set my status to "absent" at work when suddenly private stuff occured and I had to leave, not because I didn't care but because I had other things on my mind.
Yea... i know but at this point kinda used to long updates honestly just hoping its not abandoned *crosses fingers*
- Jul 8, 2017
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Eh... just do what I do. Give him sass over on his actual Patreon page. Yes, it sucks he doesn't communicate more. Yes, the excuses are just that. But he won't listen to you here on these forums. He ain't here. And before you ask, no I ain't relaying no messages for you. I think he gets enough sass from me.
- Sep 20, 2021
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I would just like to mention one further point, from the perspective of an old developer (although not -yet- in any F95-related sense).
Communication is, contrary to popular belief, not zero effort. Especially for developers.
For most, it's just stream-of-consciousness-direct-to-keyboard-clickity-click-no-brainer. For any maker/creator with an online 'following', it is very, very different. Emotionally, psychologically and occasionally physically.
Even a sentence takes way more time you than you give it credit for and, crucially, way more emotional capital. This is something that I really think only experienced creators understand.
Just coming up with the right words to say in itself takes way more effort than the actual act of posting. Especially after a long period of silence - in fact the effort required tends to grow exponentially over time. Because, unlike your posts, the creator's posts will be dissected and subject to commentary. And they know it.
It is intense to feel the immense obligation of having hundreds or thousands of people waiting to tear apart every word you utter in the hopes of either a) finding a cool bit of information or b) finding justification for their current grudge.
It is, in fact, immensely stressful - physically so. The stress sits behind your thoughts, hanging over you at all times, making it virtually impossible to relax, which ironically is precisely what you need to do to get back to business.
If you think about both perspectives using extreme examples, this makes a lot of sense. When you read something offensive on Internet, it's just some faceless troll and is easily ignored. But if a celebrity says the same thing on twitter, damn they're an idiot; that's career-ending cancellation for sure. So there are two identical posts: one is completely ignored and one has massive consequences.
I have ignored communities myself and I daresay I will do it again. I'm not proud of it, but it happens. Sometimes I have excellent legitimate excuses. Sometimes I feel like I don't (although I probably do).
Sometimes I just, really, really need to shut the whole world out for like, a while. It is neither a discourtesy nor is it disrespect. It's humanity.
Let me try to use a non-developer analogy.
When was the last time you rang your mother? You know she appreciates it every time you do and you definitely love her. But when did you ring her? Ring her right now. No? Got something better to do, right? But you love her. And it's your mother ffs. So ring her. But you won't. Because somehow, somewhere in your brain that feels, quite paradoxically, like a stressful and oppressive task.
Of course, well, usually, when you do ring her it's great and actually turns out to be cathartic and restorative for both of you.
I'm hoping that, in that example, you can recognize some of that humanity; some glimmer of a relatable human experience.
With experience and maturity you may begin to recognize those moments in peoples' lives and, if it's not ruining any families, causing anyone any harm or directly damaging you in any particular way, maybe just stfu and back off. You can almost certainly just get on with your life in the quiet hope that something may change. Empathy and patience are, after all, both free.
As somebody's grandma no doubt used to say, "If you've got nothing nice to say, better to say nothing at all."
P.S. Seriously, call your parents.
Communication is, contrary to popular belief, not zero effort. Especially for developers.
For most, it's just stream-of-consciousness-direct-to-keyboard-clickity-click-no-brainer. For any maker/creator with an online 'following', it is very, very different. Emotionally, psychologically and occasionally physically.
Even a sentence takes way more time you than you give it credit for and, crucially, way more emotional capital. This is something that I really think only experienced creators understand.
Just coming up with the right words to say in itself takes way more effort than the actual act of posting. Especially after a long period of silence - in fact the effort required tends to grow exponentially over time. Because, unlike your posts, the creator's posts will be dissected and subject to commentary. And they know it.
It is intense to feel the immense obligation of having hundreds or thousands of people waiting to tear apart every word you utter in the hopes of either a) finding a cool bit of information or b) finding justification for their current grudge.
It is, in fact, immensely stressful - physically so. The stress sits behind your thoughts, hanging over you at all times, making it virtually impossible to relax, which ironically is precisely what you need to do to get back to business.
If you think about both perspectives using extreme examples, this makes a lot of sense. When you read something offensive on Internet, it's just some faceless troll and is easily ignored. But if a celebrity says the same thing on twitter, damn they're an idiot; that's career-ending cancellation for sure. So there are two identical posts: one is completely ignored and one has massive consequences.
I have ignored communities myself and I daresay I will do it again. I'm not proud of it, but it happens. Sometimes I have excellent legitimate excuses. Sometimes I feel like I don't (although I probably do).
Sometimes I just, really, really need to shut the whole world out for like, a while. It is neither a discourtesy nor is it disrespect. It's humanity.
Let me try to use a non-developer analogy.
When was the last time you rang your mother? You know she appreciates it every time you do and you definitely love her. But when did you ring her? Ring her right now. No? Got something better to do, right? But you love her. And it's your mother ffs. So ring her. But you won't. Because somehow, somewhere in your brain that feels, quite paradoxically, like a stressful and oppressive task.
Of course, well, usually, when you do ring her it's great and actually turns out to be cathartic and restorative for both of you.
I'm hoping that, in that example, you can recognize some of that humanity; some glimmer of a relatable human experience.
With experience and maturity you may begin to recognize those moments in peoples' lives and, if it's not ruining any families, causing anyone any harm or directly damaging you in any particular way, maybe just stfu and back off. You can almost certainly just get on with your life in the quiet hope that something may change. Empathy and patience are, after all, both free.
As somebody's grandma no doubt used to say, "If you've got nothing nice to say, better to say nothing at all."
P.S. Seriously, call your parents.
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- Jul 8, 2017
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Back to discussing the actual game; what are those two scheming back there? Hailey and her new friend, I mean. I am dying to find out.
I have to agree with you, those two in the background seem pretty conspirational, Hailey is definitely planning something, but will it succeed? This scene seems to be happening at Rock´s home, so what can they plan?
But there are some other things to mention, the MC´s sister Angela is with them, as is Sarah, but Jen is not there. In addition, Amanda, who is relatively reserved among the female cast, is wearing a pretty bold bikini for her standards.
- Oct 5, 2017
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The girl on the far right, should be Amanda. While I can agree that the skin colour is too tanned for her (maybe a problem like the one in the university cafe) she should be Amanda.