VN Ren'Py Abandoned Midlife Crisis [v0.34 - v0.1 Dark] [Nefastus Games]

[Deleted member 313508]

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dev will come back or not... do something else in the meantime... go touch grass... get married... get divorced... join a cult...
so many options... like bruh...

Oh, I'm sorry. Am I annoying you with my opinion? Hmmm, maybe you should take your own advise and touch grass yourself.

 

[Dark Silence]

For inactive games, there is an "on hold" tag that signifies that the Dev is still around, they just don't have time to work on the game. As for the "Abandoned" tag, I don't see it as an apocalyptic finality but as a "quick glance of the eye" way to see if a game has been updated while you're scrolling the site. Or a way to see if the developer has gone silent about it. I wish I could say the Abandoned tag helps with the classic "Update When?" question, but I've been surprised more than once on this site.
As for the Dev saying "I'm done", there are so many other games on this site where their silence for months and years speaks volumes.
MLC may not be dead as disco, but by F95zone rules, the dev has been gone for 3 months.

I still say they need to be consistent. Why 3 months for some and 6 or more months for others? There's no consistency.

 

[Uthuriel]

Oh, I'm sorry. Am I annoying you with my opinion? Hmmm, maybe you should take your own advise and touch grass yourself.

I touch grass every day. It's soft and feels good on the skin.

 

[The Wicked One]

You're basically saying what I've been saying. You and I know the Abandoned tag doesn't actually mean abandoned. But there are many who take it as face value and it causing endless gnawing and nashing of teeth, many times for no reason when the game gets an update a week or a month later.

All I'm saying is change the name of the tag so that fewer people read too much into it.

And "On Hold" is different. That one is actually accurate because it's the Dev saying "I'm on a break" Will they ever come back? Who knows.

No, I am not saying what're you are saying. I am saying the abandoned tag means the dev abandoned the game. Whether temporarily, or permanently, this game is abandoned. And whether this game gets an update today, next week, next month, or next year, or, sadly, even never, it is still unoccupied, neglected, ditched, dumped, INACTIVE, or forsaken. Everyone knows what abandoned means, and it's well established here, and using a synonym wont make a difference.
I think people who've been around can easily look at that tag and get it. If people want to hold out hope that an abandoned tag will disappear, well then they got more hope than I.

 

[Count Morado]

I still say they need to be consistent. Why 3 months for some and 6 or more months for others? There's no consistency.

Because there are 20-odd staff and 17,000 games. They don't actively monitor the threads for "abandoned" / "inactive" / "missing in action" games. They rely on:

• People who use the REPORT button in a thread's first post to notify the staff of a game that hasn't had an update in a period of time and no word from the developer
• Their own personal list of games they like, and knowing personally about what's going on in those threads
• Happening upon current conversations about update cycle while either browsing at their leisure or cleaning up shitshows in threads

Sometimes it happens within days of the 3 months ... sometimes longer. There are games that are over 2 years old which haven't had any word from the developer in about as long that haven't gotten the tag, either. Also, though, make sure your 6 month example threads don't have developers who are still semi-active in their social media accounts, showing to their subscribers and/or the public they are still interested in developing their game.

 

[The Wicked One]

I will say this, though, this mother lovers statu's is active over on Discord. So, either his cat knocked the mouse and woke his computer up, or Nef is looking at our Discord banter right now.

 

[Dark Silence]

Because there are 20-odd staff and 17,000 games. They don't actively monitor the threads for "abandoned" / "inactive" / "missing in action" games. They rely on:

• People who use the REPORT button in a thread's first post to notify the staff of a game that hasn't had an update in a period of time and no word from the developer
• Their own personal list of games they like, and knowing personally
• Happening upon current conversations about update cycle while either browsing at their leisure or cleaning up shitshows in threads

Sometimes it happens within days of the 3 months ... sometimes longer. There are games that are over 2 years old which haven't had any word from the developer in about as long that haven't gotten the tag, either. Also, though, make sure your 6 month example threads don't have developers who are still semi-active in their social media accounts, showing to their subscribers and/or the public they are still interested in developing their game.

Still needs consistency. It's the same as site rules. People get warned really quick for bein a dick, others never get warned for it. The admins need to write up rules for the staff, so they aren't makin rules up as they go.

 

[Deleted member 313508]

No, I am not saying what're you are saying. I am saying the abandoned tag means the dev abandoned the game. Whether temporarily, or permanently, this game is abandoned. And whether this game gets an update today, next week, next month, or next year, or, sadly, even never, it is still unoccupied, neglected, ditched, dumped, INACTIVE, or forsaken. Everyone knows what abandoned means, and it's well established here, and using a synonym wont make a difference.
I think people who've been around can easily look at that tag and get it. If people want to hold out hope that an abandoned tag will disappear, well then they got more hope than I.

Agree to disagree I guess then. I don't equate lack of communication to abandonment. Unless you mean the audience, which I guess you would make an argument. But working in silence on the game is still working on the game and not abandonment.

But that's just my opinion I guess!

 

[Count Morado]

Still needs consistency. It's the same as site rules. People get warned really quick for bein a dick, others never get warned for it. The admins need to write up rules for the staff, so they aren't makin rules up as they go.

Again, much of it is based upon who gets reported and who doesn't.

There are rules for the staff. There are rules for the forum. The staff has their own discord channel to discuss problems and problematic users, advice on matters, etc. As well as they chat among themselves.

Just because people in these threads can't see what's going on behind the scenes, doesn't mean that nothing is going on. Which goes to people bitching about developers not updating fast enough or being lazy.... there seems to be quite a few people who lack object permanence, thinking the world doesn't exist and things aren't happening if they cannot witness it themselves.

 

[preglovr12]

Still needs consistency. It's the same as site rules. People get warned really quick for bein a dick, others never get warned for it. The admins need to write up rules for the staff, so they aren't makin rules up as they go.

That's not how real life works.

Agree to disagree I guess then. I don't equate lack of communication to abandonment. Unless you mean the audience, which I guess you would make an argument. But working in silence on the game is still working on the game and not abandonment.

You don't think three months without a single peep isn't something to be concerned about?

 

[Dark Silence]

Again, much of it is based upon who gets reported and who doesn't.

There are rules for the staff. There are rules for the forum. The staff has their own discord channel to discuss problems and problematic users, advice on matters, etc. As well as they chat among themselves.

Just because people in these threads can't see what's going on behind the scenes, doesn't mean that nothing is going on. Which goes to people bitching about developers not updating fast enough or being lazy.... there seems to be quite a few people who lack object permanence, thinking the world doesn't exist and things aren't happening if they cannot witness it themselves.

Sure depends on other members reportin. Ok. You can justify it however you want. Most of these staff do what they want, when they want. If they got laid the night before, they're probably laid back for the day.

That's not how real life works.

No? When it's in regards to a business, a gym or anythin where there's rules, INCLUDIN forums, those rules need to be clear and concise. Which means consistent.

Edit:
This is all OT and I'm done with it.

 

[Deleted member 313508]

You don't think three months without a single peep isn't something to be concerned about?

Never said that. Just said it doesn't mean the game is dead and done forever. That's what abandoned means.

Yes it's concerning and should receive some kind of tag. But it's like putting a body tag on a coma patient. Yeah, they might not ever wake up, but what if they do?

 

[preglovr12]

No? When it's in regards to a business, a gym or anythin where there's rules, INCLUDIN forums, those rules need to be clear and concise.

You're not complaining about the rules, you're complaining about enforcement, and that's impossible to keep consistent. We're not all robots hooked up to a hive mind that knows exactly how each one of us should handle any possible situation. Barely any forum posts fit into a neat "this is a yellow triangle, do ____" type of system.

Never said that. Just said it doesn't mean the game is dead and done forever. That's what abandoned means.

Yes it's concerning and should receive some kind of tag. But it's like putting a body tag on a coma patient. Yeah, they might not ever wake up, but what if they do?

It's not our fault people assume the abandoned tag means something different than what it has always meant. I'd give this game a 70% chance to come back, it'd be higher but the dark path proves he's losing his drive at least somewhat, yet none of that makes it so this game doesn't meet the rules to be tagged, regardless of the name of the tag.

 

[Deleted member 313508]

It's not our fault people assume the abandoned tag means something different than what it has always meant. I'd give this game a 70% chance to come back, it'd be higher but the dark path proves he's losing his drive at least somewhat, yet none of that makes it so this game doesn't meet the rules to be tagged, regardless of the name of the tag.

I'm not looking to assign blame, but offering a solution for a misconception that arises every time this tag gets applied and it's an easy solution to ease the confusion. If people keep getting confused by what the tag means, why not fix it so it's not so confusing?

For example. If people keep getting freaked out when you tell them to drink more hydroxylic acid, maybe try calling it water and see if you get less push back.

 

[The Wicked One]

Agree to disagree I guess then. I don't equate lack of communication to abandonment. Unless you mean the audience, which I guess you would make an argument. But working in silence on the game is still working on the game and not abandonment.

I don't agree to shit. I'm right, you're wrong, and that's all there is to it. I know what that tag means, and clearly so do many others who've read the rules. And it won't change. Go tell the F95zone staff to change it because you have your own interpretation of what it means. See how quickly you're rejected... Oh, wait, that word can be misinterpreted... not acknowledged.

Never said that. Just said it doesn't mean the game is dead and done forever. That's what abandoned means.

That's not what that means, and most of us on here are fully aware of that.

 

[preglovr12]

I'm not looking to assign blame, but offering a solution for a misconception that arises every time this tag gets applied and it's an easy solution to ease the confusion. If people keep getting confused by what the tag means, why not fix it so it's not so confusing?

For example. If people keep getting freaked out when you tell them to drink more hydroxylic acid, maybe try calling it water and see if you get less push back.

It's only a solution for you though, I have zero idea how "inactive" translates to other languages, especially in comparison to "abandoned." Honestly I think "abandoned" if fairly apt for what occurred here, Nef hasn't posted on Patreon in three months while he's asking for monthly donations. If he was running the update only pay structure I might be more receptive of your "working in silence" possibly, but ultimately he isn't. I also don't think changing the name would do a damn thing about all the lamenting of the tag being added. Whatever the tag is called it'd be viewed as a death nail.

 

[K.T.L.]

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dev will come back or not... do something else in the meantime... go touch grass... get married... get divorced... join a cult...
so many options... like bruh...

Or... Create your own game/VN and see what life is like on the other side of the fence...

 

[Deleted member 313508]

It's only a solution for you though, I have zero idea how "inactive" translates to other languages, especially in comparison to "abandoned." Honestly I think "abandoned" if fairly apt for what occurred here, Nef hasn't posted on Patreon in three months while he's asking for monthly donations. If he was running the update only pay structure I might be more receptive of your "working in silence" possibly, but ultimately he isn't. I also don't think changing the name would do a damn thing about all the lamenting of the tag being added. Whatever the tag is called it'd be viewed as a death nail.

All right. Cool. Whatever. This "discussion" is getting way too heated to continue. And it'll all be for naught when it gets tagged for off topic anyway. You all have a good one.

 

[Shark_inA-chiar]

I am going to solve the bitching and whining on both side in this thread Unwatch

 

[Husmi]

All abandoned tags on this site mean nothing and this game is proof. It's been on this game before and then removed when the game was updated. It happens on a lot of games. It's a guess that doesn't mean anything.

I get that it's a tool to warn people that a game hasn't been updated in a while and the dev has been silent, but everyone treats the tag as gospel when it's anything but.

It means that the dev is not able to communicate properly, or extremly slow on development if he comunicates, and serves as a warning that it's not safe to support him, because he can't be trusted to act responsible, since he cant even take 10 minutes to post something on Patreon, so I'd say the Abandoned tag means plenty, rules are clear, and I'd even say they're too good for the dev, 3 months of taking money but not even telling people what's up is too much.