Ren'Py Completed Milfy City [v1.0e] [ICSTOR]

[arms99]

LE is nowhere near the quality of MC though. I’ve played both. The renders and animations in MC are amazing. LE has maybe one or two good animations depending on the update and the updates are at a 3% increase each time. You have to wait months for any real progress to be made. LE animations they’re not that long either. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. Comparing a B+ grade RPGM to an S tier RENPY game.

I disagree with you, personally I feel the quality of LE to be on par with MC. Both are excellent games, some of the best at the moment. And on a personal level, the fact the I'm willing to put up with RPGM (despite how much I hate it) says a lot about LE. And while I agree that the updates are short 3% each time, in the time that MC has been taking to release this update (which is yet to be released) there has been 20 LE updates for a total of 60%.

Also when MC came out it was on a class of it's own, put all other games to shame. However this not the case anymore, there are now a few games have risen up (and maybe even surpassed) the bar MC set, such as being a dik, city of broken dreamer or becoming a rockstar come to mind.

 

[trynd]

When you claim you can do better than all of them? Yes you need to show. Otherwise you are just another armchair dev.

Yeah everyone here should become a game dev just to prove a point that everyone can already blatantly see? It should be obvious to anyone icstor 2 years ago > icstor now.

 

[NeinSchroid]

Eh, I don't really care about Caroline. I'll be satisfied so long as the Celia content is good, and the previews are already way better than I was hoping for.

i hate this comments, it affects me so much, now i dont care about Caroline too.. I'm serious

 

[fried]

Ah yes the "You have to do something to have a valid opinion on it." argument. We have dismissed that claim.

Patrons willingly support a Dev using the Patreon or similar Subscribestar model because they feel the group is doing something worthwhile (whatever that means to them): if they eventually don't feel that way, perhaps due to the Dev's actions or just a change of heart/circumstance, then it's up to them to decide if their patronage is warranted.

Anyone can feel taken advantage of if they choose, but in ICSTOR's case there's plenty of people who apparently still perceive the situation differently than you. That includes ICSTOR, and all of his project management methods you've claimed he could implement but won't out of some well-managed subterfuge. That is, he's managing *something* really well: fooling all his Patrons! That would actually take some work, oddly enough.

In the end, you'll just need to deal with the reality that not everyone sees things that way and for good reasons to them (including belief in what ICSTOR does offer his patrons, from status updates to previews, etc.)

 

[Deleted member 640098]

I disagree with you, personally I feel the quality of LE to be on par with MC. Both are excellent games, some of the best at the moment. And on a personal level, the fact the I'm willing to put up with RPGM (despite how much I hate it) says a lot about LE. And while I agree that the updates are short 3% each time, in the time that MC has been taking to release this update (which is yet to be released) there has been 20 LE updates for a total of 60%.

Also when MC came out it was on a class of it's own, put all other games to shame. However this not the case anymore, there are now a few games have risen up (and maybe even surpassed) the bar MC set, such as being a dik, city of broken dreamer or becoming a rockstar come to mind.

LE is something I play on the side while I wait for the better games to come out. Let’s just agree to disagree

 

[Deleted member 640098]

I mean MC new renders aren't even that good..

To each his own. I’m not nit picky about minute details when it come to the tenders and animations of MC and have yet to see better ones.

 

[trynd]

To each his own. I’m not nit picky about minute details when it come to the tenders and animations of MC and have yet to see better ones.

Well my last posts about which game has better renders AND animations than this game were removed..But I'd say the game with the highest weighted rating on the site is probably the best.

 

[fried]

Well my last posts about which game has better renders AND animations than this game were removed..But I'd say the game with the highest weighted rating on the site is probably the best.

I don't think that's a good measure of objective render quality, honestly.

Popularity for a game comes about from so many factors and often those are contextually more/less important depending on the type of game itself.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Yeah everyone here should become a game dev just to prove a point that everyone can already blatantly see? It should be obvious to anyone icstor 2 years ago > icstor now.

There is a very big difference between making a constructive critic about for instance how Icstor manages his developer team work flow (which isn't very good in my opinion) and to outright claim you can do a better job than all the dev teams.

If you can't see the difference then sorry but that is not my problem.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

I don't think that's a good measure of objective render quality, honestly.

Popularity for a game comes about from so many factors and often those are contextually more/less important depending on the type of game itself.

Icstor renders are really well done, thanks to his skill and high end pc, but he has some problems with human anatomy as shown in some pictures posted in this thread.

 

[dDeux]

This game is still alive?

 

[bobbo69]

I think it is time for me to butt in, I can seriously understand everyone's frustration against icstor, but bashing the guy isn't going to help speed up the process of an update, he has in the past finished a few games, he probably has a good reason for his delays, he probably works a real job and creates games on his spare time, or whatever the reason, I'm still certain that he has his reasons, maybe he has a life anyway, I would be willing to bet that most of you complaining are not even one of his patrons, correct me if I'm wrong, but please, stop bashing and concentrate more on what you think the story will be in the future, I have no problems with that, so, stop crying like little babies and wait like everyone else, life goes on and the update will be ready when it is, it's just as simple as that, no need to get a heart attack over this lol

 

[fried]

There is a very big difference between making a constructive critic about for instance how Icstor manages his developer team work flow (which isn't very good in my oppinion) and to outright claim you can do a better job than all the dev teams.

If you can't see the difference then sorry but that is not my problem.

The other part about this is some people are wired or habituated to a certain way of thinking/doing and won't change much without significant reasons to do so.

ICSTOR continues to do what he does because it still works for him, apparently (I feel like a broken record on this point, unfortunately). But if situations force him to rethink his methods ... maybe he will evolve his style.

 

[Baharomont]

PLS, Guys, Just believe this Project is Officialy Died

 

[trynd]

I don't think that's a good measure of objective render quality, honestly.

Popularity for a game comes about from so many factors and often those are contextually more/less important depending on the type of game itself.

Regardless of its popularity its way better render wise. it really isn't close. i was just trying not to say the name of the game since mods butthurt over that.

 

[fried]

Regardless of its popularity its way better render wise. it really isn't close. i was just trying not to say the name of the game since mods butthurt over that.

We can objectively rate image quality all day between games, though my point was that the way images impact the player in the context of each game is what really matters the most, IMHO. MrDots' games aren't necessarily filled with the greatest 3D compositions in the universe of adult VNs (I personally like them, truth be told), but his games are popular for reasons which goes beyond the image quality into story, characterizations, production/program quality, etc.

So, if you want to say someone else has better renders and therefore ICSTOR isn't the end-all, be-all 3D artist, then ... OK. ICSTOR is still pretty talented (technically, at least) for a Daz user, regardless - I think we can all agree on that.

Even more: for Milfy City, ICSTOR seems to be doing the right job, given his ongoing level of support for his work - right?

 

[trynd]

We can objectively rate image quality all day between games, though my point was that the way images impact the player in the context of each game is what really matters the most, IMHO. MrDots' games aren't necessarily filled with the greatest 3D compositions in the universe of adult VNs (I personally like them, truth be told), but his games are popular for reasons which goes beyond the image quality into story, characterizations, production/program quality, etc.

So, if you want to say someone else has better renders and therefore ICSTOR isn't the end-all, be-all 3D artist, then ... OK. ICSTOR is still pretty talented (technically, at least) for a Daz user, regardless - I think we can all agree on that.

Even more: for Milfy City, ICSTOR seems to be doing the right job, given his ongoing level of support for his work - right?

I disagree that dots doesn't use his images/content in a way that impacts the player, especially if you're comparing it to this game..but my point was never that game vs this game. my point is this dev has become a lazier, worse dev. I also don't blame him, he's been doing this a long time and it finally paid off big. But defending all criticism of icstor to the point of pure delusion is just silly.

 

[Q Who]

LE is nowhere near the quality of MC though. I’ve played both. The renders and animations in MC are amazing. LE has maybe one or two good animations depending on the update and the updates are at a 3% increase each time. You have to wait months for any real progress to be made. LE animations they’re not that long either. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. Comparing a B+ grade RPGM to an S tier RENPY game.

Just how good is a .5-1 second looped animation anyway? And what good is 9 months old .5 second animations?

 

[Q Who]

When you claim you can do better than all of them? Yes you need to show. Otherwise you are just another armchair dev.

 

[Deleted member 640098]

Just how good is a .5-1 second looped animation anyway? And what good is 9 months old .5 second animations?

I know you’re exaggerating but the animations in this game are longer. They’re also better quality in terms of 3D and they have multiple angles. LE the whole animation can be done in 3 clicks of the space bar. Not much to work with in LE