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ThtsMyScrtCapImAlwysHorny

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Yeah, when Patreon first started they operated on the "pay per release" model, and found it way MORE ripe for abuse than the way they do things now. I.e. they'd have YouTubers uploading a little 5-second nothing video every day and charging their patrons for it.
 

JeffM80

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Yeah, when Patreon first started they operated on the "pay per release" model, and found it way MORE ripe for abuse than the way they do things now. I.e. they'd have YouTubers uploading a little 5-second nothing video every day and charging their patrons for it.
You can still set your patreon to that and all your patrons set a limit for the amount of times they're willing to be charged per month.
 

Llamamann

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On Patreon, the money should only be released when the game creator has also made a certain achievement.
I don't think all this can be regulated on patreon's end. Making these games is art, sometimes it takes a long time. Mind you that's very different than simply not working on it. It's gotta come down to consumers choosing where they put their money. Supporting games with active developers.
 
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It’s weird that the T&S Team would return from their “fort nite” on US Labor Day and not the day after US Labor Day.

He’s full of shit.
I Google "Safety and trust f95zone” and i found that Ptolemy and aleksey90 received a warning in the past ... which means that Icstor is copying someone else's excuses. icstor isn' t original anymore even to lie
 
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ropershy

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Yeah, when Patreon first started they operated on the "pay per release" model, and found it way MORE ripe for abuse than the way they do things now. I.e. they'd have YouTubers uploading a little 5-second nothing video every day and charging their patrons for it.
I understand what you are saying. But at least those youtubers were doing something. This is getting paid for doing NOTHING!
 
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secrett

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any nice dude got something like a list of ICSTOR's excuses (or lies whatever) in history? Wondering he work out any new shit this time haha
 

Anonnona

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if anyone is willing to take serious action, they can sue patreon for fraud for allowing a scam of such magnitude to happen on their platform. there is a pretty decent case to be made as fraud is defined as using a lie, deception, falsehood, or dishonesty in an attempt to gain a benefit. which is clearly what icstor has done.
The screenshots from icstor's patreon's posts where he makes multiple promises regarding communication or updates or whatever else he can come up with, even using patreon themselves as a scapegoat in the most recent instance can be used as proof. He has displayed a pattern of repeatedly making false promises. To finish off, an argument can be made that he is not an honourable or ethical person by pointing out the fact that he did not create anything for more than a year and yet continued to take money from supporters. he had the option to disable payments just as he did when he announced that he was taking a break (after the caroline update) albeit he lied even then as he said he would pause if for 2 months, the duration of his break, but in the end, he paused if only for one (correct me if I'm wrong). he didn't need to communicate anything as long as he took wasn't taking their money. but without any communication, he led his supporters to believe that for a long time development was under progress. then a point can be made regarding the size of the updates and how after almost 2 years of "alleged" development there is only 400 or so renders while previous versions were far larger in much shorter times.
patreon can argue that it's the supporters choice to follow a creator, the counter-argument would be that it's not about the choice of the supporter and more regarding the fraudulent creator who has been allowed to continuously lie on their platform and that patreon isn't taking much action to protect their customers. and neither do they have the provision to report such a scammer. that patreon is just turning a blind eye to such bad and somewhat illegal practices.

It has been almost 23 months since 14th Oct 2019 (the release of 0.6c), excluding at most 2 months for 0.71 and 1 more when he paused his patreon, let's just say 2 for argument's sake, each month he has taken money from the support of 5500 people on average. and with the game being accessible to only those who pay 10$ or higher, the number of people paying more than 10$ from those 5500 is pretty significant. assuming that just 10% of the 5500 were paying 10$ or higher it would come out to 10450$ a month (550x10=5500+4950=10450). this would bring the total amount for the 19 months to 198,550$.
Even with such a low estimate, the total amount of his scam is pretty damn high. In reality, the average per patreon support was last calculated at 8-9$ on graphtreon. even if it dipped to 6$ on average, it would mean he earned 33,000$ on average each month. and for 19 months it would be 627,000$. for 8$ it's 836,000 and at 9$ it's 940,500. almost 1 million dollars.

Patreon will not be able to simply brush this under the carpet if someone does really take it up in court. This would definitely shake up the creators with massive followings that take their supports for granted and would really evoke a reaction.

The least this would do is light a fire under patreon's ass and get them to take action against icstor.
 

REGUser

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You know the sad part about all of this is, I don't care about the game anymore...all this waiting has taken the fun out of it. I've even forgotten the story at this point. I just like reading the drama here and how people still care.

Why I also feel sad is we all know the real reason we want Milfy City is because of Linda and Caroline...but we know we're not going to get much of their content in the wrap up of the game, it will just be a quick story and the game will be finished without much lewd scenes.

All these side characters are a waste of time (not for us, but ICSTOR's "gas" time) the more he creates the more I feel he fatigues, so "wasting" energy on characters we don't really want to see above others (the main cast) annoys me knowing there's only 'x' amount of time left before the game is finished and he's already burning time and delaying the game on side characters.

Stop with the burner content and get on with Linda...I know his mods read F95. Linda would be the only reason I pick up this game again, the rest are kinda irrelevant at this point (not story wise, but "ICSTOR" time wise). He's a dev I simply cannot trust after this game.

I know many feel the same way...
 
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I don't think all this can be regulated on patreon's end. Making these games is art, sometimes it takes a long time. Mind you that's very different than simply not working on it. It's gotta come down to consumers choosing where they put their money. Supporting games with active developers.
Yes, I agree with you on that. People should rather support active game developers.
Unfortunately, you can't look inside a person to see what their intentions are. ;)

Greetings from Germany
 

evko

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Making these games is art, sometimes it takes a long time. Mind you that's very different than simply not working on it.
If you take money for it, it is called a job, therefore, you must match the salary. Imagine the developers at Rockstar Games telling their superiors that they are waiting for inspiration! Can't you imagine? Although comparing their projects with milfy city is like comparing the source code of the Linux kernel with the program " Hello world!".
 

Anonnona

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it's not about how long he takes or how much he makes or even the quality of updates. it's about him constantly lying to ensure that his support doesn't stop. that's all there is to it. actually speaking, scamming is illegal and exactly what he has been doing. with the amount of money he has scammed his patreons off, he could be facing some serious repercussions.
it's not that he's been completely silent and dropped very poor quality content with very little quantity as well, he has constantly made promises about communicating more often, releasing updates more often and more just to completely disregard them as though nothing was ever said.

see, if he had just said that he is dealing with issues and that the game will release when it does, then he wouldn't be doing anything illegal, even if he continued to collect money from patreons for years on end without creating anything new. this would just make him unreliable and inconsistent, not a scammer. but he made very specific commitments that he didn't fulfil and has given us the ammo to make him pay for defrauding his supporters.


I don't press charges because against patreon (pursuing icstor directly might not be beneficial) 1, I never supported him, nor do I have an account with any payment mode linked to it (tried linking PayPal, but it didn't work) and 2, because I live in India and I don't think I would be able to sue them from here, or more the to the fact, I don't have much of a case since I wasn't directly affected and it won't have the impact that is needed.

but if you're worried about just wasting more of your money and time, rest assured when you win you'll get refunded for all of it. heck the compensation might be a substantial amount provided you make your case properly.
 

GhostFaceGuy

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This is crazy. How brainwashed are the people who continue to support this man.
Here is aftermath of the lack of competiency. There are few developers who can compete to ICSTORE. But the good-faith ae fewer. NLT, Faerin and Stiglet meet the deadlines succesfully. The ICSTORE is not the worst, by the way. Look at Aorrta, for example. If MC has been completed over 60 percents, Aorrta did 20% of his game.
 
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gabriel3g

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he's working hard to eliminate any non-consensual sex (60% of... meetings) and any referment to pedophilia with Sara.
non-consensual sex I agree, now pedophilia is not really the case...age of consent is 14 years old in the majority of European countries, it's just the US that has this 18 yr old thing
 
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