scmark15

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As some in the software engineering field I get annoyed when people complain things are taking too long. I have deadlines, seeing people work at there own pace and through kickstarter programs like patreon make me want to give it a go. We average $60k a year, a lot of us work lots of overtime to meet deadlines and some of the software literally takes years to finish before clients even see an demo let alone a bug free one. It really annoys me when someone starts harassing me for a piece of code or something is taking me longer than it should, even more so when real life comes a knocking.

So to those that work upon donations and kickstarters who may or may not make deadlines and may suffer not making enough for bread this month but still give it a go...hats off to you beautiful people who allow me to relieve my stress by playing your wonderful stories. Cheers!
 

nguyen56

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Like in the AWaM thread, the same stupid bullshit discussions over and over again. And like the AWaM thread, I will not follow this thread anymore. Have fun!
Oh no, not Longo McFap. God damn it, Longo McFap isn't following this thread anymore, what are we going to do? It was important enough that he stop and tell us that he wasn't following the thread anymore, it must be disastrous.
 

nguyen56

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As some in the software engineering field I get annoyed when people complain things are taking too long. I have deadlines, seeing people work at there own pace and through kickstarter programs like patreon make me want to give it a go. We average $60k a year, a lot of us work lots of overtime to meet deadlines and some of the software literally takes years to finish before clients even see an demo let alone a bug free one. It really annoys me when someone starts harassing me for a piece of code or something is taking me longer than it should, even more so when real life comes a knocking.

So to those that work upon donations and kickstarters who may or may not make deadlines and may suffer not making enough for bread this month but still give it a go...hats off to you beautiful people who allow me to relieve my stress by playing your wonderful stories. Cheers!
What does business software have to do with making a linear porn game where your only addition as a developer is a linear story? He's not writing Ren'Py, somebody already did that and he is using it.
 

scmark15

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What does business software have to do with making a linear porn game where your only addition as a developer is a linear story? He's not writing Ren'Py, somebody already did that and he is using it.
Renpy is a game engine...it still requires a knowledge of python programming to use and if you write mini games and other functionality your programming a lot of that from scratch because it may not exist in the Renpy engine. Ps I don’t write just business software. Point is don’t ask someone to rush what he/she is doing even if he’s being donated to...he may have a family, other job, hardware issues, etc. especially if your ignorant about how to do it yourself, it’s obvious you have no clue on what it takes to make.
 

stealthtank

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As some in the software engineering field I get annoyed when people complain things are taking too long. I have deadlines, seeing people work at there own pace and through kickstarter programs like patreon make me want to give it a go. We average $60k a year, a lot of us work lots of overtime to meet deadlines and some of the software literally takes years to finish before clients even see an demo let alone a bug free one. It really annoys me when someone starts harassing me for a piece of code or something is taking me longer than it should, even more so when real life comes a knocking.

So to those that work upon donations and kickstarters who may or may not make deadlines and may suffer not making enough for bread this month but still give it a go...hats off to you beautiful people who allow me to relieve my stress by playing your wonderful stories. Cheers!
Agreed, many people don't realize that software development takes a long time to finish, no matter the scope and complexity of the product. You still have to design, code, and test your work, and make sure whatever you do doesn't negatively affect anything else that exists (regression testing).

Imagine if an enterprise-level company - say Microsoft - is being pressured by its clients to do stuff faster just because and so they put out that piece of software as early as it can by cutting corners and not testing. Let's say it vomited out a new version of Windows in under a year, meeting the deadline. Did that product make it to the customers? Sure. Does it work well? Likely not. Will said customers complain? Absolutely.

It doesn't matter if the developer is a large company or a small team of people, the same development process still exists. Heck, smaller teams have it worse because they're likely doing this full-time and no one could cover for them if ever there's downtime.

In fact, I feel like the quality of the work degrades when there's a massive expectation breathing down their necks; this is kinda like people asking artists down at DA or some other outlet to make the best artwork for pennies, then whine when said work got late a couple of days or wasn't up to their expectations. Like wtf do you expect if they're short on time?
 

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Oh no, not Longo McFap. God damn it, Longo McFap isn't following this thread anymore, what are we going to do? It was important enough that he stop and tell us that he wasn't following the thread anymore, it must be disastrous.
Says the guy with such a stellar contribution to this thread:

What does business software have to do with making a linear porn game where your only addition as a developer is a linear story? He's not writing Ren'Py, somebody already did that and he is using it.
Considering the guy is making at least $5000 a month bare minimum if every one of his 5000 patrons were only giving $1 each, yes I expect $5000 per month worth of content and I don't see it. It's amazing to me that people take the "it's just a mod/free game" attitude and apply it to someone who is being paid more than most people who went to university specifically to deliver this product.

This is why the VN/game industry is shit, these people that excuse bad behavior and work/business ethic. You are being paid to deliver a product. And this is right there with the "you can't criticize it they worked really hard on it". It doesn't matter how hard you worked on something if your end delivery is shit. That's not real life expectations.
I'm getting disappointed that they're going with "true love" routes for Linda, Caroline, AND Sara. Really, all the same? And it can't be true for all three of them. Why couldn't at least one of them be for some more extreme fetish play like Domme/slave stuff? Seems like wasted opportunity.
I'd take a Longo McFap over a nguyen56 any day of the week.
 

goobdoob

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Agreed, many people don't realize that software development takes a long time to finish, no matter the scope and complexity of the product. You still have to design, code, and test your work, and make sure whatever you do doesn't negatively affect anything else that exists (regression testing).

Imagine if an enterprise-level company - say Microsoft - is being pressured by its clients to do stuff faster just because and so they put out that piece of software as early as it can by cutting corners and not testing. Let's say it vomited out a new version of Windows in under a year, meeting the deadline. Did that product make it to the customers? Sure. Does it work well? Likely not. Will said customers complain? Absolutely.

It doesn't matter if the developer is a large company or a small team of people, the same development process still exists. Heck, smaller teams have it worse because they're likely doing this full-time and no one could cover for them if ever there's downtime.

In fact, I feel like the quality of the work degrades when there's a massive expectation breathing down their necks; this is kinda like people asking artists down at DA or some other outlet to make the best artwork for pennies, then whine when said work got late a couple of days or wasn't up to their expectations. Like wtf do you expect if they're short on time?
Let's call this hypothetical Windows "Windows 8". :ROFLMAO:
 

DarkLoki

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RE: Updates...As the saying goes "I can do it FAST, I can do it CHEAP and I can do it WELL. You get to pick 2 outta the three"
 
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Lionchad

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No-one's doing that.
Pope Julius to Michaelangelo ( as he paints the Sistine Chapel ceiling) "When will you make an end?" Michaelangelo's reply.. "When I am finished!"
The Pope tried rushing Michelangelo when he was doing the Sistine Chapel. Didn't work for him.

You want a rush job, you get a rush job. You want quality, you wait.

I'd rather have quality.
Looks like some kind of comparison for me, but maybe i am wrong, it happens sometimes.
 

Oriandu

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Looks like some kind of comparison for me, but maybe i am wrong, it happens sometimes.
That's not a comparison. No one compared the content, or the artwork, or the quality, they simply used it to give an excuse as to why it's taking so long. They're basically saying "It'll be finished when it's finished because good work takes a while." That is most definitely not a comparison to the Sistine Chapel.
 
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