VN Ren'Py Abandoned My Little Katelyn [Ch. 3] [Ellaraia]

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hehe yeah I was just reading Ellaraias post above I think I'll add this game to my backlog and wait for Chapter 0.

I would advise doing so to everyone. I have the sister mod ready to release but I'm not doing so because I don't want anyone new to play until Chapter 0 is released. I also have a list of 15 websites I need to start posting about MyLK on, but am not doing so for the same reason.
 

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Incorrect.
He's not emotionless, he's upset with his girlfriend because she stood him up and he's frustrated because she won't have sex with him without telling him why.

If being cucked is foreplay 3-5 times per week, then where do I sign up?
Sorry its my fault for reading to much in to peoples posts in this thread, many seem to be under the impression that the girlfriend is in a relationship with her friend behind MCs back so... if that's true and it happened before the game even starts. Anyway I'll look forward to Chapter 0 and try the game at a later date.
 

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hehe yeah I was just reading Ellaraias post above I think I'll add this game to my backlog and wait for Chapter 0.
if you enjoyed SHF then you should enjoy this..the aesthetic is the same..but this is story driven instead of task/event driven..i played SHF and definitely prefer story driven..so this to me is a forsure upgrade in quality.
 
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Sorry its my fault for reading to much in to peoples posts in this thread, many seem to be under the impression that the girlfriend is in a relationship with her friend behind MCs back so... if that's true and it happened before the game even starts. Anyway I'll look forward to Chapter 0 and try the game at a later date.
It's all good. I assumed you'd played. Sorry for being a little sharp. I made the mistake of drinking a monster when I got home from work and thus can't sleep. :(
 

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It's all good. I assumed you'd played. Sorry for being a little sharp. I made the mistake of drinking a monster when I got home from work and thus can't sleep. :(
No I tend to have a quick read through the thread before playing to get a general idea of the game first, I love Monster, I'm drinking a white one now.
 
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No I tend to have a quick read through the thread before playing to get a general idea of the game first, I love Monster, I'm drinking a white one now.
I don't react well to caffeine. It only gives me a boost for about 20 minutes, then just makes me very tired but unable to sleep for about 4 hours.
 
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I don't react well to caffeine. It only gives me a boost for about 20 minutes, then just makes me very tired but unable to sleep for about 4 hours.
I'm pretty sure I have an addiction to monster and it's all because they came to my old work years ago and gave me free shit for photos the bastards, my favourite are the purple ones but they are only in stores on occasion.
 
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you lads need to take up the art of "tea"..sure it is low on the caffeine scale but ..you become classier!!! scientific FACT!! maybe
Most of the time I don't have the patience to wait for my crappy kettle to boil but I do enjoy a nice cup of tea.
 
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I don't react well to caffeine. It only gives me a boost for about 20 minutes, then just makes me very tired but unable to sleep for about 4 hours.
###Imho, anything "Monster" is vile. :) I popped about 6-8 NoDoz earlier to stay awake- there is nothing like the sensation of a case of Mountain Dew hitting your system all at once 40 minutes later. :)

His dick isn't too small. I don't know why people want large dicks in every game.
###Thank you. This may be "outing", but I find this to be more relatable- if the MC is normal/average it adds TO the immersion factor. At least is isn't one of those awful HS ones- where the guy has to stand in the backyard to get his BJ in the front yard OR if the MC is taking his good lady companion to "pound town" and the tip emerges from her nostril (after snaking its way through the small and large intestines). Lol
 
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I like it so far. While I see the points that Zip made...I was always ready to wait for more story. I had hoped @Ellaraia would give more info at some point...but I wasn't going to bash him for it.

And...I agree...Say no to Horse Dick.
 

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I like it so far. While I see the points that Zip made...I was always ready to wait for more story. I had hoped @Ellaraia would give more info at some point...but I wasn't going to bash him for it.
Fire away if you have a question. Unless you count posting emoji stories on discord, I have nothing more important to do right now.
 

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Characters:
In some cases, there is a disconnect between the audience and the characters true personalities. This comes from me throwing you into the story half way through. MC's relationship with Lucy is several months old and has reached a breaking point where Player and Lucy don't want the same thing and it's tearing them apart. The Mother isn't a bad person, nor is she harsh with Katelyn. She is punishing her for masturbating, because Katelyn is a guest in her house who shouldn't be doing such things in her eyes. There are three reasons the mother doesn't want Katelyn and Player together. Firstly, the same reason as her not wanting Katelyn masturbating. Secondly, Player already has a girlfriend and she wants it to work, which it won't it Katelyn and Player are fucking. Thirdly, she doesn't want her son getting hurt. If he gets into a relationship with a girl who will be moving to a different country in two months, he will get hurt.

I aim to fix this with the addition of a Chapter 0, which I am currently creating. It goes back two months to when Player and Lucy were first dating, and when Katelyn first arrived. It shows the characters at their best, before you then see them at their worst in chapter 1.

Father:
He's a dick, and he doesn't want Katelyn there. He isn't involved in the story going forward because Player avoids him as much as possible.

Story Speed:

How does the story move too quickly? The first two chapters take place over the course of several days. You go from not kissing Katelyn, to kissing her. I moved faster than that when I was 8. On the other side of the story, Lucy's side, the story hasn't progressed. Player goes from being her frustrated boyfriend, to being her frustrated boyfriend, who potentially came on her face.

Models:

As for the age thing, they look how they look.

This is a DAZ game, of course they're not going to be unique. There is a very limited supply of models and most of them are shit. I apologise, but to criticise a DAZ game for this is stupid.

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I don't understand how telling someone not to masturbate and to do the laundry as punishment for breaking the rules is treating them like shit. Maybe I live in a bubble where doing laundry is a difficult and mentally scarring task.

You say you can already predict what's going to happen. I can predict the lottery numbers for this weekend too, doesn't mean I'm correct until it happens.
It's obvious, as you are the Developer, that you have a unique perspective on what is happening, what has happened, and what will happen... But as a reader/player, who is not privy to all the nuances, as I went through this VN/Game for the 2 times I went through it, 1st when it was just Chapter 1 and then again, after Chapter 2 was released... I don't see all these details you mention... The story telling needs to relay/portray all the information, based on how you write it and present it... All I got from the VN after playing it twice, was how quickly the pacing moves from one event to another... Sure there is story, but it doesn't say much before moving on to the next scene/event... This in turn feels like the story is rushed sometimes... And honestly, based on the story as it is currently presented, I don't see all those same feelings and story elements you claim are there, some I do, but not all... I'm sorry, but I don't...

With regards to the mother, I understood that she was initially using laundry as a punishment, but based on how often she inflicts that punishment, and how quickly (and aggressively) she seems to push the girl to go do it, every time the protagonist is seen with her, gives the impression that the mother doesn't like her or want her to be with or near the protagonist... That is the only real detailed aspect of the mother, that we are really ever presented with... Which in turn makes her look like she doesn't want the girl to be around her son, and how she deals with it is continuously sending her off to do the laundry, and yet is ok with her son having a girlfriend in general... I know it's hard for you to see it in the same way an outsider would see it, being the one who has all the knowledge and wrote the story... But I wasn't just making up what I said with regards to the impressions I was left with...

Same goes for much of the other things I mention in my review... The VN/Game is not lengthy, and yet has quite a lot of erotic content already, for it being so short... So when I say it feels like a pornography festival, that is because it feels as though the story rushes (at various speeds) from one erotic scene to another, with some but much meaningful or deep story between events... That might have been your intention all along for all I know, and that is not necessarily a bad thing for some readers or players... But my review was about my personal experience and opinion, not what it might be for other people...

If you read a majority of my reviews, I always state the fact on whether or not Character Models are ones I've seen before or not... Because seeing the same models over and over again, becomes boring for some folks, myself included... It's always nice to see mostly unique things from product to product... It shows that a developer and/or artist put more time and effort into the visuals, beyond just a cookie cutter character model, that dozens of other developers also used... I never said having the same models in your product, that I've seen in other products, was bad, it's just a Factual statement, that I've seen the models before with very little in the way of customization applied to it... That is all... As to my comment how the age of the characters doesn't seem to be fully in line with the visuals, again, it is just a statement of fact... If that is what you chose to go with, then it is what it is... You could have gone with more visually matching character models that fit better with the actual age of the characters, but you didn't and it's your baby to do with what you will... That doesn't invalidate my statement...

I can sense that you are becoming very protective (and are very sensitive) in how you are taking my review and other peoples opinions/statements... It can be hard sometimes to deal with outside opinion, especially when you feel you're placing a lot of effort and time and resources into making, what you hope, is a great product... But as it is a product, that is being presented to the public, you have to expect some opinions and experiences that are not always going to be positive and pleasant to read or hear... It's like a mother/father and her/his child... So I can completely empathize with your initial reactions... But you also need to learn to take it with a grain of salt... Take out of it what you can, those things that may help you grow as a developer... By battling every opinion you don't agree with, it doesn't come across as a good thing...

I didn't hate the VN/Game, otherwise it would have been a 1 star rating, and I would probably of been much more critical in my review...

Zip
 

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I'm pretty sure I have an addiction to monster and it's all because they came to my old work years ago and gave me free shit for photos the bastards, my favourite are the purple ones but they are only in stores on occasion.
Aren't those very very bad for your heart?
 

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It's obvious, as you are the Developer, that you have a unique perspective on what is happening, what has happened, and what will happen... But as a reader/player, who is not privy to all the nuances, as I went through this VN/Game for the 2 times I went through it, 1st when it was just Chapter 1 and then again, after Chapter 2 was released... I don't see all these details you mention... The story telling needs to relay/portray all the information, based on how you write it and present it... All I got from the VN after playing it twice, was how quickly the pacing moves from one event to another... Sure there is story, but it doesn't say much before moving on to the next scene/event... This in turn feels like the story is rushed sometimes... And honestly, based on the story as it is currently presented, I don't see all those same feelings and story elements you claim are there... I'm sorry, but I don't...

With regards to the mother, I understood that she was initially using laundry as a punishment, but based on how often she inflicts that punishment, and how quickly (and aggressively) she seems to push the girl to go do it, every time the protagonist is seen with her, gives the impression that the mother doesn't like her or want her to be with or near the protagonist... That is the only real detailed aspect of the mother, that we are really ever presented with... Which in turn makes her look like she doesn't want the girl to be around her son, and how she deals with it is continuously sending her off to do the laundry, and yet is ok with her son having a girlfriend in general... I know it's hard for you to see it in the same way an outsider would see it, being the one who has all the knowledge and wrote the story... But I wasn't just making up what I said with regards to the impressions I was left with...

Same goes for much of the other things I mention in my review... The VN/Game is not lengthy, and yet has quite a lot of erotic content already, for it being so short... So when I say it feels like a pornography festival, that is because it feels as though the story rushes from one erotic scene to another, with some but much meaningful or deep story between events... That might have been your intention all along for all I know, and that is not necessarily a bad thing for some readers or players... But my review was about my personal experience and opinion, not what it might be for other people...

If you read a majority of my reviews, I always state the fact on whether or not Character Models are ones I've seen before or not... Because seeing the same models over and over again, becomes boring for some folks, myself included... It's always nice to see mostly unique things from product to product... It shows that a developer and/or artist put more time and effort into the visuals, beyond just a cookie cutter character model, that dozens of other developers also used... I never said having the same models in your product, that I've seen in other products, was bad, it's just a Factual statement, that I've seen the model before with very little in the way of customization applied to it... That is all...

I can sense that you are becoming very protective (and are very sensitive) in how you are taking my review and other peoples opinions/statements... It can be hard sometimes to deal with outside opinion, especially when you feel you're placing a lot of effort and time and resources into making, what you hope, is a great product... But as it is a product, that is being presented to the public, you have to expect some opinions and experiences that are not always going to be positive and pleasant to read or hear... It's like a mother/father and her/his child... So I can completely empathize with your initial reactions... But you also need to learn to take it with a grain of salt... Take out of it what you can, those things that may help you grow as a developer... By battling every opinion you don't agree with, it doesn't come across as a good thing...

I didn't hate the VN/Game, otherwise it would have been a 1 star rating, and I would probably of been much more critical in my review...

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I know that what I see and what a Player sees is different and that's what Chapter 0 aims to fix.

The laundry is everyday but it's just one basket and it only takes 5 minutes. Maybe this isn't presented very well. I didn't think about it being seen as the mother trying to keep Katelyn away from Player, but you saying it has made me see this. She 100% isn't. She has no problem with Katelyn and Player being friends or being close, she just doesn't want them being a couple. Her shouting Katelyn in the morning is more of a wake-up call than anything else, there's no malice in it. Another thing that could come across better.

Your problem with the pacing comes from two things. First of all, the speed at which I can create images. I feel like I have to have a certain amount of sexy content in each chapter, and the rest has to fit around it. The second is that I don't want to have parts that are really boring. I could have extra scenes but they would just be filler and they'd be shit. I get the feeling you want scenes like classes or more extended personal time with mc interacting with the other characters. This would be really boring.

Having unique models does not mean you put time into your game. I rendered hundreds of images in the months before I released MyLK. These were all test images to choose which models I would use. I went through about 30 models, each with different settings. I am not able to create a new character. I can't draw and I can't model. I could've used a unique model, but it would've looked shit, because the vast majority of the models on DAZ are so. It was a very frustrating process and often just a single detail killed a character. I'd love to use a fresh, unique model, but it's not possible. If you want to pay someone to create some for me, then go ahead, but my minimum wage job doesn't allow me that luxury. I apologise.

I'm not defensive. You're offensive. I've thanked people for giving me two star reviews before, because they were constructive rather than condescending. You make some good points, but you also talk like you know me and like you're better than me. This game is an escape for me. It's an escape from my shitty job; from the fact that I threw away my education because I was too anxious to ask for help; from the scars that decorate me and refuse to heal. I didn't make MyLK to be told that I should've put more effort into it by someone who doesn't know that one full stop is enough.
 

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Aren't those very very bad for your heart?
Yes probably especially the amount of them I consume. I should cut back maybe I should just start smoking weed again that way I'd be to lazy to go the shop for my monster :p I've never really been very health conscious before I switched to monster I used to drink copious amounts of red bull, my blood is probably a sugary syrup by now.
 
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I know that what I see and what a Player sees is different and that's what Chapter 0 aims to fix.

The laundry is everyday but it's just one basket and it only takes 5 minutes. Maybe this isn't presented very well. I didn't think about it being seen as the mother trying to keep Katelyn away from Player, but you saying it has made me see this. She 100% isn't. She has no problem with Katelyn and Player being friends or being close, she just doesn't want them being a couple. Her shouting Katelyn in the morning is more of a wake-up call than anything else, there's no malice in it. Another thing that could come across better.

Your problem with the pacing comes from two things. First of all, the speed at which I can create images. I feel like I have to have a certain amount of sexy content in each chapter, and the rest has to fit around it. The second is that I don't want to have parts that are really boring. I could have extra scenes but they would just be filler and they'd be shit. I get the feeling you want scenes like classes or more extended personal time with mc interacting with the other characters. This would be really boring.

Having unique models does not mean you put time into your game. I rendered hundreds of images in the months before I released MyLK. These were all test images to choose which models I would use. I went through about 30 models, each with different settings. I am not able to create a new character. I can't draw and I can't model. I could've used a unique model, but it would've looked shit, because the vast majority of the models on DAZ are so. It was a very frustrating process and often just a single detail killed a character. I'd love to use a fresh, unique model, but it's not possible. If you want to pay someone to create some for me, then go ahead, but my minimum wage job doesn't allow me that luxury. I apologise.

I'm not defensive. You're offensive. I've thanked people for giving me two star reviews before, because they were constructive rather than condescending. You make some good points, but you also talk like you know me and like you're better than me. This game is an escape for me. It's an escape from my shitty job; from the fact that I threw away my education because I was too anxious to ask for help; from the scars that decorate me and refuse to heal. I didn't make MyLK to be told that I should've put more effort into it by someone who doesn't know that one full stop is enough.
Have you considered blessing your game with a trap?:sneaky:
Yes probably especially the amount of them I consume. I should cut back maybe I should just start smoking weed again that way I'd be to lazy to go the shop for my monster :p I've never really been very health conscious before I switched to monster I used to drink copious amounts of red bull, my blood is probably a sugary syrup by now.
That's not a laughing matter. :oops: A month of drinking green tea will do you wonders.
 
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Agreed there's always room for more trap content. :sneaky:

I'm sorry, I promise to cut back on the monster & I will try drinking some green tea. I just hope it tastes nice :cautious:
If the mother were a trap, you would never know it, but it would be a rather large twist. Think whatever you want.
 
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