alutarox

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I think most people don't really hate her that much anymore. I remember some people also didn't like Fiona for a while.
To be fair, they're not the most likable characters when introduced. But they change so much. Fiona became one of my favourite characters when we have the "confession" in her office. And Elaine flips personality the moment the MC gets his shit together and shuts her bullshit down.

The only girl that Killer7 made me hate was Tanja, but now I actually like her.
Ahh, the completion of the "trio of bitches->sweethearts". Love route Tanja canon Tanja.
 

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Speaking of reviewing, I usually don't review unless the game is finished. I will comment on issues I find in the actual game thread itself. I don't hold kinks that I don't personally subscribe to against a game's overall rating. Story, characters, good humor are what makes the rating for me. The only kink I hold against a game and which stops me from playing a game is non-consent, especially when it is not treated as a crime. Incest and harem are not my kinks but I do not hold it against this game, as for the most part, the writing is good. Also it has some of my favorite kinks sprinkled into it, some watersports, exhibitionism and voyeurism.
 

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I know what you mean. Sadly, one star reviews rarely help you with improving some aspects that people might not like, they seem to just exist to shit on the game and/or the dev ( which is very obvious the case in my game especially ^^ )
Yeah 1 star reviews are hardly worth reading. A lot of the 5 star reviews aren't either though, at least as a prospective player. The most important info for me is the critique/negative points listed in the 3-4 star reviews, if I need more info beyond the number of stars. Might be different as the dev of course. Reading nice things people write can be encouraging and motivating I imagine.

I don't mind low star ratings in general but the sad reality is that you almost never get constructive criticism out of them. It's just "This game is shit, the writing is shit and the dev is shit for making this game." which usually doesn't help anyone in the long run. That is usually the tl;dr of one star reviews and I tend to just hit ignore on the user after I read them purely because anything he or she might say will never help me improve as a dev. Especially when said person likes all the other one star reviews and has a general tendency to rate every game on this site low.
The other thing is even when criticism is warranted and/or constructive a lot of people don't seem to understand that this doesn't mean the things can be implemented. Workflows aren't easily change, skills aren't easily acquired and there's only so much dev time to go around. Or there just might be no interest to take it in a specific direction.

Oh? I thought I was the only one getting those :D it usually is someone that pledged for my highest tier and then demanded for his character ( when I still had that option ) to be fucked by other dudes. When I said no they asked for a refund and said they will badmouth me as a dev for not keeping a promise. Also had my fair share of insulting dms or death threats over the years.
Sadly that's what a lot of the 1 star reviews, or salty "discussions" in a game's thread, come down to. Petty "revenge". It's like they acknowledge the skills of the dev but get offended they aren't catered to which imho is a fat case of: The lion, the witch ...

Also forcing an author to write about stuff he has no interest in and/or knowledge about has a high chance of resulting in a shit story and dialog.
 
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Oh? I thought I was the only one getting those :D <<skipped>>
This is a global problem: not only a toxic community, but also the just banal cybercrime - they turn to developers, for example, with a proposal to advertise and promote the game for money, in case of refusal - a bombing review, the distribution of fake demos of the game "charged" with trojans, the use of troll bots for spam and harassment, in addition to bots,
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So never look at the official ratings (all the more, they can be inaccurate or twisted (as it was found more than once on the same Steam) - there are reviews of letsplayers, there are F95 with "demos" - everyone can look and decide for himself
 
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Uthuriel

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You mentioned Sisterly Lust and Parental Love lets say visually they are a bit lacking especially SL because it doesn't have animations but both of them are among my favorite AVN of all time.
I really don't care if a VN has animations or not if I like the rest.

Milfy City was my first "AVN" it has animations and is still a great disappointment to me.
The point I'm trying to make is that animations are not the most important thing.

PS: PL ---> Elly is best girl.
 

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I really don't care if a VN has animations or not if I like the rest.

Milfy City was my first "AVN" it has animations and is still a great disappointment to me.
The point I'm trying to make is that animations are not the most important thing.

PS: PL ---> Elly is best girl.
Story and characters are the most important thing. One of my favorite games, even though it centers around incest, has some "different" looking characters but the writing is so top notch, that it made me fall in love with these "odd-looking" characters. That game is Light of My Life.
 

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Story and characters are the most important thing. One of my favorite games, even though it centers around incest, has some "different" looking characters but the writing is so top notch, that it made me fall in love with these "odd-looking" characters. That game is Light of My Life.
I tried that recently. The writing is good in that one but it was too sad for my liking.
 

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I tried that recently. The writing is good in that one but it was too sad for my liking.
While it is true that it has some sadness in it, it also has a lot of joy mixed in also. It is entirely unlike another dev who was kinda "being a dick" when he made me choose which of my girls to save from a house fire, which I noticed was lampooned by Killer7 in this game.
 
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honestly writing is just passing for me in I mean it is a porn game who the hell stays for New York times best seller writing for game that ya what to see fucking
 

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Killer7

You just earned a new patron. A cheap one but I am on a limited budget and would rather support 20 devs at $1 a month than one at $20 a month. Even though the overall theme is not my bag, your writing and your game's community here at F95 put you on my list of devs to support.
 
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honestly writing is just passing for me in I mean it is a porn game who the hell stays for New York times best seller writing for game that ya what to see fucking
You would be surprised but the games that have a heavy plot are the reason I decided to make my own game. And I never played any visual novels before, the adult visual novels were my firsts. Since then I always put story before everything else.
 

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I agree that story is important, but #1 for this kind of game is characters, if you ask me. If I fall in love with the girls, it's a lot easier to overlook other things. Characterization and story go hand in hand, but they are also separate things. You can write a great story where the plot is awesome, but the characters feel wooden, lifeless, and uninteresting. You can write amazing characters with a boring plot, and not much happening. I'll take the second of those two every time for a VN - adult oriented or otherwise. Of course having good for both is the best.
 

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I tried that recently. The writing is good in that one but it was too sad for my liking.
I skipped it for a completely different reason: when you approach a VN I don't think you can ignore the Visual part, and, no offense meant, but IMVHO some of the characters of LomL look just like they've been dragged out of a Tod Browning movie.

I mean, after the first half hour I had to quit and sit down for a Lucy marathon just so my eyes could stop bleeding.....:love:;)
 
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I agree that story is important, but #1 for this kind of game is characters, if you ask me. If I fall in love with the girls, it's a lot easier to overlook other things. Characterization and story go hand in hand, but they are also separate things. You can write a great story where the plot is awesome, but the characters feel wooden, lifeless, and uninteresting. You can write amazing characters with a boring plot, and not much happening. I'll take the second of those two every time for a VN - adult oriented or otherwise. Of course having good for both is the best.
That's why I love MNF so much. It has both. Great writing and characters.
I just can't wait for the new update.
 
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Uthuriel

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I skipped it for a completely different reason: when you approach a VN I don't think you can ignore the Visual part, and, no offense meant, but IMVHO some of the characters of LomL look just like they've been dragged out of a Tod Browning movie.

I mean, after the first half hour I had to quit and sit down for a Lucy marathon just so my eyes could stop bleeding.....:love:;)
The visuals of that game are not for everyone. I agree on that but that's not why I deleted it again.
It increased my anxiety and made me sad. I just couldn't do it.
 
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