Avaron1974

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Not really because it’s not based off now it’s based off the past and his mission is to find his consorts of the past reincarnations and consummate their love… and if he fails it’s game over. Pretty sure they mentioned that when she got taken but it’s the complete lack of urgency or even if they can’t do anything they should be constantly thinking or addressing her absence… that’s the bit that annoys me the most…. Morna got taken …. He goes on a near suicide missions … mom gets taken and nothing happens for half a year or more….
Morna went missing during a mission. He only turns completely incompetent if they get kidnapped.

Sister got taken, he did nothing and carried on sticking his dick in everything else until the cops found out where she was.

Mom got taken, Jenna saw who took her, he did nothing and carried on sticking his dick in everything else until someone else finds her, she's been gone for over 6 months and he gives zero fucks. Demi was one of his "great loves" and before she was taken he talked about how much he loved her and how important she was to him .... since then he's barely mentioned her and shown zero urgency.

Cousin escapes a life of being sold for sex and abused. The people that abused her turn up and tell them they are going to take her. They let her walk around town on her own with no protection and she gets taken making both MC and Jenna look absolutely useless.

So far he's failed to protect his women, failed to find his women and done a grand total of fuck all.

I know I complain but up until Demi was taken everyone talked about how awesome the MC is supposed to be and how much of a badass Demi is and how they need to win the upcoming war to reverse their banishment....

Now 2 updates later the dev has managed to make his main cast look utterly fucking useless, reduced the badass to droooling cock sleeve, turned the "super mega awesome" MC into an incompetent fuckboi, made the awesome Jenna into a dumbass, made the entirety of his castle harem including 2 amazingly powerful mages look absolutely fucking moronic due to a super obvious bad guy being in the middle of them all since near the start all the while making the big red guard demon look amazing and the only one with any clue at all.

So much so big red fucked one of the MC's harem and will probably bag more because MC is a moron.

This is why people are mad.

Nobody cares that the women fuck around, we've known it's full of obscure kinks since one of the women went to pound town with Fido and Harvey Horse Cock.

I don't care that Demi is being fucked by futa demons. I care about how dumb her character has become. I care that the Mc and the usually observant Jenna have been made to look stupid as fuck on 3 occasions.

I care because the dev has taken a game with a decent story line, amazing characters, kinky as fuck sex and managed to ruin most of the cast for no reason whatsoever.

I care because we've had the kidnap story ark 3 fucking times and I 100% think he's going to do it again.

One thing the dev NEEDS to do is stop people saying how awesome the MC is because he just isn't. Until he starts proving it and actually does something he just happens to be a trust fund fuckboi that throws money around to solve mundane problems that mean nothing.

I don't know why the dev has sabotaged his own game and started ruining his characters and I don't know what he can do to fix it without retconning the last 2 updates and stopping making his main cast look like utter fucking morons.
 

Ursus4321

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As I said, Demi will be back and we will have no real option to ignore her, reject her and not anything like that. And if we have it, it will be a false option that will lead to game over. The dev has broken the story, the main lis and I don't think the dev will step back, if perhaps as Avaron says, there will be more kidnappings and more ruin in the game
 

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Another thing to think about is 1 the first time Demi is with the futa she immediately falls in love with the futas dick????? she immediately acts like she has no family at all and its just futa futa futa............ absolutely fucking stupid you do not just FORGET your family. The dev has seriously fucked this entire game up.
 

-CookieMonster666-

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Another thing to think about is 1 the first time Demi is with the futa she immediately falls in love with the futas dick????? she immediately acts like she has no family at all and its just futa futa futa............ absolutely fucking stupid you do not just FORGET your family. The dev has seriously fucked this entire game up.
I don't disagree with you about it being normally illogical, but given other things in the game (women instantly falling in love with the MC), I figured it was just explained away by magic. The demon is a succubus, and that's sort of their power. So I don't think that specifically is a problem. I feel like the futa demon is supposed to be like an extreme narcotic of some kind.

IMO the first real issue is the lack of doing jack-all to try to save her and the complete cluelessness of the MC or Jenna to be even halfway aware of obvious things, like letting the cousin get abducted again. And the second major issue is that Demi has become addicted and can't even try to escape herself, because game over, while no one else does anything either to save her. A succubus having instant power over and increasing enslavement of a victim over time doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
 

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I don't disagree with you about it being normally illogical, but given other things in the game (women instantly falling in love with the MC), I figured it was just explained away by magic. The demon is a succubus, and that's sort of their power. So I don't think that specifically is a problem. I feel like the futa demon is supposed to be like an extreme narcotic of some kind.

IMO the first real issue is the lack of doing jack-all to try to save her and the complete cluelessness of the MC or Jenna to be even halfway aware of obvious things, like letting the cousin get abducted again. And the second major issue is that Demi has become addicted and can't even try to escape herself, because game over, while no one else does anything either to save her. A succubus having instant power over and enslavement of a victim doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
And dont forget there are only 7 places she could have been held and these super flying spy's are fucking clueless as well. The entire emersion of the game is destroyed by the total lack of logic be written. IMO the game needs a re-write by someone more competent. I know it is more about the porn then about any sort of realistic events.
 

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And dont forget there are only 7 places she could have been held and these super flying spy's are fucking clueless as well. The entire emersion of the game is destroyed by the total lack of logic be written. IMO the game needs a re-write by someone more competent. I know it is more about the porn then about any sort of realistic events.
Well, I definitely agree with you, the purpose being porn or not. What good is having a story if it makes literally no sense?
 

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And dont forget there are only 7 places she could have been held and these super flying spy's are fucking clueless as well. The entire emersion of the game is destroyed by the total lack of logic be written. IMO the game needs a re-write by someone more competent. I know it is more about the porn then about any sort of realistic events.
Yes and no … I think even though there was the one kidnapping… the first 6 chapters set up the world and story pretty well. It’s only the last 2 that have really gone off rails I can understand the start of the demi capture but the rest is beyond me because it makes no sense at all… either way I still like the first 6 chapters even if some things didn’t make sense…
 

Spfjolietjake

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Demi was always a fuck everything type woman. She "fell in love" with her cell mate quick as fuck. And fucked every member of her family she could and wanted more. Her serving a futa succubus shouldn't be that surprising. But it breaking her mind is.

Regardless this vn is what it is. Personally nothing is ruined for me as I have no romantic feelings for the women in it at all. I honestly don't see a Demi redemption mattering to those upset by her taking another's cock...

And those that hate the mc for not protecting his harem will never be happy with him short of a life sacrifice of him saving them. Maybe not even then...
 
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Osamabeenfappin

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Demi was always a fuck everything type woman. She "fell in love" with her cell mate quick as fuck. And fucked every member of her family she could and wanted more. Her serving a futa succubus shouldn't be that surprising. But it breaking her mind is.

Regardless this vn is what it is. Personally nothing is ruined for me as I have no romantic feelings for the women in it at all. I honestly don't see a Demi redemption mattering to those upset by her taking another's cock...

And those that hate the mc for not protecting his harem will never be happy with him short of a life sacrifice of him saving them. Maybe not even then...
I'd be satisfied with the ability to reject "harem" members and NOT get a game over.
 

-CookieMonster666-

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Demi was always a fuck everything type woman. She "fell in love" with her cell mate quick as fuck. And fucked every member of her family she could and wanted more. Her serving a futa succubus shouldn't be that surprising. But it breaking her mind is.

Regardless this vn is what it is. Personally nothing is ruined for me as I have no romantic feelings for the women in it at all. I honestly don't see a Demi redemption mattering to those upset by her taking another's cock...

And those that hate the mc for not protecting his harem will never be happy with him short of a life sacrifice of him saving them. Maybe not even then...
Well, not to belabor the matter, but for me it doesn't have anything to do with Demi getting dick from another character (futanari or otherwise). I don't have a problem with a succubus being able to addict a LI to sex with her. It also, for me, doesn't have anything to do with the MC failing to protect his harem. For me, the biggest problem is the huge swing in character personalities and actions.

It's like Cheepshot forgot to refer to his character sketches to review basic personality traits they have. The MC in a past life was so loving that he rescued three women he didn't even know from their lives as slaves. He made sure to have Jenna watch after Demi in the past so she'd be protected if he should fall in battle. He gave up his own life to try to ensure that the women he loved would be cared for after his passing.

Now, instead of showing his deep concern for the women in his life, he can't even be arsed just to ask about how the search for Demi is going. Instead of taking careful measures to safeguard his loved ones, he apparently decides it's not worth his focus to keep Linda from getting kidnaped. Instead of trying to rally his allies to save those in trouble, he shrugs and looks to get his dick wet somewhere else.

This just doesn't feel like the same character anymore, other than the sex.

I do agree with what you said about Demi already being a nympho before getting taken. But before, she wasn't mindless about it. Now, she literally does nothing but eat, sleep, and shag. I don't understand that. Reducing her to sex slave seems explainable if there's an addiction to Soreana's succubal powers, but reducing her completely to three base functions destroys the person she was. She's no longer a warrior, or even a mother. She's just a sex doll that can speak. So, even if her major change were well-explained, she's now a totally different person. The proud, capable warrior she was is just gone.
 

Spfjolietjake

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Well, not to belabor the matter, but for me it doesn't have anything to do with Demi getting dick from another character (futanari or otherwise). I don't have a problem with a succubus being able to addict a LI to sex with her. It also, for me, doesn't have anything to do with the MC failing to protect his harem. For me, the biggest problem is the huge swing in character personalities and actions.

It's like Cheepshot forgot to refer to his character sketches to review basic personality traits they have. The MC in a past life was so loving that he rescued three women he didn't even know from their lives as slaves. He made sure to have Jenna watch after Demi in the past so she'd be protected if he should fall in battle. He gave up his own life to try to ensure that the women he loved would be cared for after his passing.

Now, instead of showing his deep concern for the women in his life, he can't even be arsed just to ask about how the search for Demi is going. Instead of taking careful measures to safeguard his loved ones, he apparently decides it's not worth his focus to keep Linda from getting kidnaped. Instead of trying to rally his allies to save those in trouble, he shrugs and looks to get his dick wet somewhere else.

This just doesn't feel like the same character anymore, other than the sex.

I do agree with what you said about Demi already being a nympho before getting taken. But before, she wasn't mindless about it. Now, she literally does nothing but eat, sleep, and shag. I don't understand that. Reducing her to sex slave seems explainable if there's an addiction to Soreana's succubal powers, but reducing her completely to three base functions destroys the person she was. She's no longer a warrior, or even a mother. She's just a sex doll that can speak. So, even if her major change were well-explained, she's now a totally different person. The proud, capable warrior she was is just gone.
I can't argue any of them points. It will be interesting to see if the dev can or will try to turn it around. I, for one, am ready...
 
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Can someone please send me original renpy patch which is in zip? I replaced with incest patch but it's showing error on every slide :cautious: better I should have played with original patch.
 

-CookieMonster666-

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Quick question, is there an ETA for the update yet? If so, when?
Nothing that I've seen yet. There are preview images for Chapter 9, and he's specifically said he's started writing (he began around November 1, IIRC), but no updates AFAIK on how close we are yet.
 
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has several of my fav tags, n from what i've read, i love how sadistic n demonic the storyline goes...and YES, i've read everything i could about the incest patch link provided in the OP (searched the thread for "incest patch"), but from what i've seen, there's still no ACTUAL incest patch...??

I mean play the game and you'll notice what the perverted mind desires.
and YES, i read this, but from what's implied, we're being told that we have to use our "imagination" in order to perceive the incest in the story...can SOMEONE PLEASE post a link for an ACTUAL incest patch, instead of a notepad doc w/20,000+ lines of text that's impossible to copy-n-paste, let alone figure out how to put in the game file itself? thanks
 

-CookieMonster666-

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has several of my fav tags, n from what i've read, i love how sadistic n demonic the storyline goes...and YES, i've read everything i could about the incest patch link provided in the OP (searched the thread for "incest patch"), but from what i've seen, there's still no ACTUAL incest patch...??



and YES, i read this, but from what's implied, we're being told that we have to use our "imagination" in order to perceive the incest in the story...can SOMEONE PLEASE post a link for an ACTUAL incest patch, instead of a notepad doc w/20,000+ lines of text that's impossible to copy-n-paste, let alone figure out how to put in the game file itself? thanks
AFAIK, there is no incest patch . . . at least none for the more recent versions of the game (if there ever was one). The "mom" in this is a stepmother, but the sisters are both half-sisters. So there's "step-cest" with the mom and incest with the sisters.
 

Avaron1974

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has several of my fav tags, n from what i've read, i love how sadistic n demonic the storyline goes...and YES, i've read everything i could about the incest patch link provided in the OP (searched the thread for "incest patch"), but from what i've seen, there's still no ACTUAL incest patch...??



and YES, i read this, but from what's implied, we're being told that we have to use our "imagination" in order to perceive the incest in the story...can SOMEONE PLEASE post a link for an ACTUAL incest patch, instead of a notepad doc w/20,000+ lines of text that's impossible to copy-n-paste, let alone figure out how to put in the game file itself? thanks
There is no actual incest link because none of them are actually related. They are all reincarnations and yes that is important considering that's what the story is about.

For instance his "aunt" is a Succubus, his "mother" was his right hand and top warrior.

They were never related but don't have their memories yet.
 

-CookieMonster666-

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There is no actual incest link because none of them are actually related. They are all reincarnations and yes that is important considering that's what the story is about.

For instance his "aunt" is a Succubus, his "mother" was his right hand and top warrior.

They were never related but don't have their memories yet.
True. I was only saying how things are described at the start of the game, but I suppose it's not really spoilers since you don't get very far into it before that's all revealed.
 
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