VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[BloodyMares]

Works like a charm! Oh my god! Robert is still in the game!
:snicker:
Well, I think Mike makes sense. Lena only breaks up with him if it is a serious relationship. For Robert it seems to be a reward for helping her with her luggage.
What doesn't make sense though is that this also happens if you go for a serious relationship. Ian can eff Cindy, Lena can eff Robert after they committed to a relationship and stop "experimenting". So basically both can immediately cheat on each other but none of them acknowledges it. That at least seems like a bug to me.

Yeah, based on the script, I think Eva was working on the second opportunity to have a scene with Robert/Mike in this chapter if Ian was the one to welcome her back while at the same time realized that Lena has to break up with Robert / Mike in order to commit to Ian. But the branch where Lena met with Robert or/and Mike before committing to Ian is for some reason not accounted for. She never even comments on it. It's like she completely forgot that she needed to break up with them.

Although I wonder how ian_lena_open factors into this. It's never referenced after it's set to True. I would assume Lena would want to keep seeing Mike at least if she intends to experiment. Otherwise, if Robert and Mike are gone, it only leaves Louise, and it's hardly fair that "playing around" means that Ian gets to experience more girls but Lena can't experience more guys (unless the Jeremy path will be expanded with Ian bringing him into their relationship). Axel is not in the same league with any of Ian's hookups and would probably lead to Ian being cucked than feeling like Lena's main partner.

Lena can eff Robert after they commited to a relationship and stop "experimenting".

She can? Based on the script I see, the dialogue specifically makes Lena break up with Robert if ian_lena_couple = True. The dialogue where she can invite him for sex is triggered after filtering that condition as False unless I'm mistaken. What were your steps?

 

[HNH1985]

Is this aaa game?

 

[Doppelgang]

Best guess. To avoid the following:

"Oh great. Another black guy in the game. I don't like this because of [blahblahblahblahblah = user's own racial insecurities]."
Plus, the classic:
"Oh great. Another black guy in the game. I don't like this because of [blahblahblahblahblah = everything is racist and everyone is literally hitler]."

In effect, THIS:

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Also willing to bet Billy's little event will play out something like Tyrone's pool party in GGGB and I assume she's trying to differentiate it from Pool Party 2.0.

All just guesses though. Personally not a fan of the Billy swap at all.

Correct me if I’m wrong, cause I haven’t read close to everything neither here nor on Discord, but I can’t remember ever seeing anyone complain about this? What I did notice, was the speculation about what kind of shady way the original Billy had gotten his money, and drugs seemed to be the most common guess. If Billy from the beginning was supposed to be a spoiled brat, it makes sense from a pragmatic point of view to change his skin colour, because of the character tropes and stereotypes relating to that. (That those tropes makes us think that a black guy in a story like this must’ve gotten his money by selling drugs, while we don’t think the same when that character is white, is obviously a topic in itself. But it’s hardly Eva’s fault that those tropes exist.)

I support your guess when it comes to how Billy’s path will turn out though, and that Eva probably wants to differentiate it from GGGB. If so I think that’s a good idea; for most of the kinks in Eva’s games, they’re part of a bigger story and doesn’t “just” feel like kinks. The pool party path in GGGB felt as it was the other way around; it was just an execution of the BBC kink, and the story was secondary.

In ORS I think there’s a danger of the same thing happening. Jeremy’s personality is little more than a walking dildo, and Lena’s attraction to him is almost exclusively about his BBC. Eva confirmed in the latest Q&A that there will be more BBC options for Lena down the line, and if Billy’s change is a result of Eva deciding that she doesn’t want the BBC content to just be a straightforward execution of the kink (and in the process give more content to someone else instead… like Marcel?), I think it’s a good idea.

That’s also just speculation though, and I find it very weird that Eva hasn’t commented on the change in some way. Because from what we so far know for certain about the reasons (nothing, that is), it’s still a big WTF moment. And I’ve seen far more dissatisfaction with the change than the fact that Billy originally was just another black guy who probably would’ve offered little more than a big dick.

 

[dolfe67]

Correct me if I’m wrong, cause I haven’t read close to everything neither here nor on Discord, but I can’t remember ever seeing anyone complain about this? What I did notice, was the speculation about what kind of shady way the original Billy had gotten his money, and drugs seemed to be the most common guess. If Billy from the beginning was supposed to be a spoiled brat, it makes sense from a pragmatic point of view to change his skin colour, because of the character tropes and stereotypes relating to that. (That those tropes makes us think that a black guy in a story like this must’ve gotten his money by selling drugs, while we don’t think the same when that character is white, is obviously a topic in itself. But it’s hardly Eva’s fault that those tropes exist.)

I support your guess when it comes to how Billy’s path will turn out though, and that Eva probably wants to differentiate it from GGGB. If so I think that’s a good idea; for most of the kinks in Eva’s games, they’re part of a bigger story and doesn’t “just” feel like kinks. The pool party path in GGGB felt as it was the other way around; it was just an execution of the BBC kink, and the story was secondary.

In ORS I think there’s a danger of the same thing happening. Jeremy’s personality is little more than a walking dildo, and Lena’s attraction to him is almost exclusively about his BBC. Eva confirmed in the latest Q&A that there will be more BBC options for Lena down the line, and if Billy’s change is a result of Eva deciding that she doesn’t want the BBC content to just be a straightforward execution of the kink (and in the process give more content to someone else instead… like Marcel?), I think it’s a good idea.

That’s also just speculation though, and I find it very weird that Eva hasn’t commented on the change in some way. Because from what we so far know for certain about the reasons (nothing, that is), it’s still a big WTF moment. And I’ve seen far more dissatisfaction with the change than the fact that Billy originally was just another black guy who probably would’ve offered little more than a big dick.

Good reasoning but I mean, she didn't think about it the first time before making him black? She can't avoid tropes, be it with black or white men. Billy is now the rich white kid trope

 

[dundun]

Yeah, based on the script, I think Eva was working on the second opportunity to have a scene with Robert/Mike in this chapter if Ian was the one to welcome her back while at the same time realized that Lena has to break up with Robert / Mike in order to commit to Ian. But the branch where Lena met with Robert or/and Mike before committing to Ian is for some reason not accounted for. She never even comments on it. It's like she completely forgot that she needed to break up with them.

That doesn't really explain the v9_luggage. It is as if EvaKiss thinks the breakups were already handled at the luggage scenes which obviously they can't be.

Although I wonder how ian_lena_open factors into this. It's never referenced after it's set to True. I would assume Lena would want to keep seeing Mike at least if she intends to experiment. Otherwise, if Robert and Mike are gone, it only leaves Louise, and it's hardly fair that "playing around" means that Ian gets to experience more girls but Lena can't experience more guys (unless the Jeremy path will be expanded with Ian bringing him into their relationship). Axel is not in the same league with any of Ian's hookups and would probably lead to Ian being cucked than feeling like Lena's main partner.

It doesn't at all. And it definitely should! I remember that that (Ian effing Cindy without realizing he is cheating on Lena) was already discussed here some time ago.

It would make more sense if:
if ian_lena_couple and not ian_lena_open ditch Robert
if ian_lena_couple and (not ian_lena_open or lena_mike_love) ditch Mike
So she ditches both if the relationship is not open and also Mike if Lena is serious with him.

Or maybe EvaKiss just wants to simplify the field so some side characters get cut if IanXLena happens. Then it is an oversight not to ditch them. But then it is weird that Mike only gets cut when lena_mike_love.

She can? Based on the script I see, the dialogue specifically makes Lena break up with Robert if ian_lena_couple = True. The dialogue where she can invite him for sex is triggered after filtering that condition as False unless I'm mistaken. What were your steps?

Ah, my fault. Lena effing Robert happens after the relationship talk in the game but of course before Lena herself gets to the talk. I guess I just got too excited on the prospect of the number of Robert scenes getting into the double digits

 

[mommysboiii]

The everyday struggles of F95Zone Users.
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TRUEEEEEEEE this truly convince me that the simulation theory is true nice try toddwhat lazy coding

 

[Zirael Q]

Same here. He one of the most annoying characters, top-3 in my personal hate list.

Wasn't intentionally horrible to him myself at every chance but I sure as hell talked to him on phone while Emma was sucking the d. Nothing changed, gonna see if we can make him walk in on Emma and Ian

 

[Gato21]

Is this aaa game?

What do YOU think? Does it have a multi-million dollar budget and hundreds of people working on it? Are you a troll or stupid?

 

[Lord Bradley]

I hope it's okay to ask here, but can someone recommend me other game devs who make games of this quality? Any genre. And maybe it's better to message me not answer here publicly. Thanks in advance and sorry if I broke any rules

On valid topic of game tho, I'm really excited where it will lead that Ian talks Cindy into cheating on Wade. Originally I focused on Lena being giant slut, but I really like Cindy if she starts to be a cheat, in my opinion that just makes her mega hot

 

[Turret]

Interesting discussions! But we have to remember that keeping all relationship permutations straight is problematic for Eva, it is easy to overlook something. Just take Ian. My personal favourites among the girls for him are Alison, Lena and Holly. Just with these 3 it can get complicated.
Alison and Ian have history and feelings for each other they did not knew they had or did not recognise before. They can be in a comitted relationship, a non-comitted relationship, a comitted relationship with willing threesome exploration or a comitted relationship with cautious threesome exploration. Currently Ian can still pursue Lena and7or Holly on a couple variant paths. Even Cherry, Cindy, Emma and Minerva. Some of them at once or in exclusion.
And this path maze gets larger with Lena´s options. She can pursue Ian, Robert, Mike, Axel, Jeremy, Lousie, Holly, Stan and Seymour, partly at the same time or exclusive. If Ian and Lena are not in totally comitted relationships, the various "side relations", esp. fuck buddies, are many. No wonder that Eva needs time to straighten this out and still might overlook one or two variants.

 

[BloodyMares]

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[Geralt From Rivia]

I'm thinking here that episode 10 is still a long time to wait and there is nothing to do anyway, so you can revive the thread. Therefore, I made the top most hated characters in the game. It will be big, because there are a lot of annoying and unpleasant personalities in Our Red String! I have never met so many people in one game who pissed me off.
From least annoying to most disgusting:

10. Alison. I don't understand what's wrong with this girl. She is very intrusive, to the point that she almost rushes at Ian. Likes to interrupt other people's conversations and be the center of attention. Too focused on her problems, judgmental (Moment with Perry discussing trans-porn). In sex, she kills the mood and overreacts when Ian tries anal or cums inside her. Clicking on the fire options in Alison's scenes is not always a good idea. And yes, why does this lady look like a MILF at 27? I always skip Alison for Jeremy and prefer the more relaxed and easy-going Cherry


9. Wade. This guy just burning his life. He is still young, but already looks like a 40+ man who is tired of everything in life and his interests are beer while watching football on TV and drinking with friends in a bar. Dude! You have a top girl, just S Tier! Wade is just degrading and doesn't deserve Cindy. He looks like those marginal unshaven men who live in a trailer. Have you seen his beer belly? His jealousy looks flawed, he shows his complexes of a miserable and weak person. Wade, you will lose Cindy, I guarantee you, hehe. He will lose her anyway. Do I hate Wade? No, I just feel sorry for him. But it is better to stay away from such people in life - they pull others to the bottom with them.

8. Louise. Louise is just not very smart, naive and blind girl who likes to judge others. The most common. It's just ridiculous how she can't see that Jeremy is cheating on her and doesn't even want to trust her friend! You have been friends for several years, studied together in college, Lena says in plain text that “Jeremy cucked you, Louise!”, And she answers “I trust him.” Okay, you trust a guy you've known for a couple of weeks but not your long-term girlfriend. I just had satisfaction when she came running in tears “Lena. You was right!"
I don't like how she judges Evie for her depraved lifestyle, but she quickly finds new guys herself:
- "My boyfriend left me", tears.
-Next day: "This is Jeremy, my new boyfriend. I'll be jumping on his black cock all night. And no, I'm not a whore, the whore is your friend Ivy!" So much hypocrisy
Oh yeah, how jealous she is if Lena spends more time with Ivy and puts in toxic comments about it. Louise is the kind of friend you shouldn't see every day and take in doses.

7. Minerva. Many people are familiar with this situation, right? Extremely toxic and overbearing boss that you have problems with. Luckily, this problem is cured by a good hate-fuck. By the way, in the Remaster, I lost the opportunity to pass the Minerva line, although I performed the same actions as in the original version. Was she cut? Or maybe you need to go the other way? If there are topic experts, write about it.


6. Robert. A miserable and notorious egocentric loser who pretends to be an alpha. He tries to be cool, but it only takes one rejection from Lena and he reveals his frustration. Dementia and courage - I understand the motto of this guy. He solves any problem with a fight in which he loses, and the funny thing is that one evening he can get in the face from Axel, and then from Ian. He is even more disgusted when he first uses Lena for sex in a restaurant and only then tells her the news that she is fired. He is not interested in Lena as a person and is needed only to satisfy lust. In my playthrough, Robert gets a well-deserved response - Lena uses him as a sex doll for several times and abandons him after an incident in a cafe. An eye for an eye, Robert goes to the trash can. There was such a picture in the thread, I request it.

5. Agnes. Or Agatha. This old lady looks like an evil witch. (It was the Agatha all along ). Another rich elitist for whom people are garbage. I really did not like the mood with which she imposed on Lena a joint shooting with Axel. And she looks at Lena as a commodity that can be used. Nothing more. Better avoid this woman. The expression on Lena's face says it all - distrust of Agnes.



4. Stan. The remaster didn't help. Stan is the same creepy incel and beta. Creepy Stan. This is the moment when I agree with the naive silly Louise. Maybe the female instinct for perverts worked. How else to call a guy who jerks off to your photos, which he took himself? For a photographer, this is an act of a bastard - in this work, trust between the model and the photographer is important. Stan betrayed that trust. I think he stole Louise's panties, not Lena's cat. Oh yes, this bastard went even further - if he is not taught a lesson, he spies on Lena having sex and ... jerking off again. Eh Stan, Stan ... a complete lack of desire to change and stay in the comfort zone. As one white-haired girl would say: “PERVERT! CALL SECURITY!”
Well, at least he's not as ugly after the remaster.

3. Perry. He doesn't look like the mayor's rich son. Not the same image at all. How was this guy raised by his parents? This character exists for one purpose - to annoy the player. It whines all the time. Offended. Breaks Jan and Lena's date. He forgot his keys! Damn clown. Ruining parties and ruining fun. He blabbed in front of Lena that Ian had sex with other girls. And Perry is very greedy. He spared a can of beer for Cindy. Mayor's rich son regrets $5 for a friends! A shame. Seriously, there must be a solution for this guy to “Send Perry to Somalia”. And even if she does not dream of getting Emma.


2. Axel. Lena's ex-boyfriend is something I wouldn't wish on any girl. Control freak dictator, domestic abuser, manipulator and stalker. Also, a hypocrite. He tries to completely control Lena's life and at the same time cheats on her. Why does he even need a serious relationship if this guy can't control his dick? To satisfy his sadistic tendencies in controlling another person's life? This scene in episode 9… caused the most discomfort and understanding that this would not happen in my playthrough. Axel is a sadistic and control freak, Lena is his slave in this scenario. Lena's Will points burning down to zero and no matter how many of them were in stock confirm this theory.




1. And here he is, the main villain. Seymour Ward. The oligarch, small business killer, blackmailer, abuser. At first, it may seem that this person replaces Arthur from GGGB. But it's much worse. This man is the main trouble of the city in the game. He buys out and bankrupts businesses with Parry's father, the city's mayor. He pulls the strings like a puppeteer, deciding the fate of people. For example, the situation with Lena. He fires Lena from his restaurant, blocks her opportunities to work in the modeling business. Seymour does this with one goal - to get Lena for himself personally. And he does it like a maniac. He threatens to ruin Ian and Lena's lives, blackmails them. He even threatens to block her Insta and Onlyfans (I think he is overplaying, social networks are too big a fish for Seymour, and as far as we know, he is just a city oligarch). This is a terrible person and I can imagine what is going on in his head. The scene at the end of episode 9 with Seymour is the second one, after Axel, that causes dislike. Of course, I'm interested to know how things will turn out if Lena signs a contract with Seymour. For players who choose this option, Seymour's true face is not revealed in all its glory. I will leave this option, but it will never be canon for me. My canon - Seymour Ward is sentenced to 25 years in prison for corrupt deals, blackmail and extortion, sexual assault. Get ready, Seymour. The vacant Harvey Wahnstein job is waiting for you.
Approximately such a list of antagonists turned out. It's not very good to start with an anti-rating, but there are really a lot of characters in the game who need to wash the dice. Next time I will post the Top of the most pleasant characters. If anyone has any feedback, I'd love to hear from you.

 

[BloodyMares]

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[lipe2410]

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Finally

 

[mommysboiii]

I'm thinking here that episode 10 is still a long time to wait and there is nothing to do anyway, so you can revive the thread. Therefore, I made the top most hated characters in the game. It will be big, because there are a lot of annoying and unpleasant personalities in Our Red String! I have never met so many people in one game who pissed me off.
From least annoying to most disgusting:

10. Alison. I don't understand what's wrong with this girl. She is very intrusive, to the point that she almost rushes at Ian. Likes to interrupt other people's conversations and be the center of attention. Too focused on her problems, judgmental (Moment with Perry discussing trans-porn). In sex, she kills the mood and overreacts when Ian tries anal or cums inside her. Clicking on the fire options in Alison's scenes is not always a good idea. And yes, why does this lady look like a MILF at 27? I always skip Alison for Jeremy and prefer the more relaxed and easy-going Cherry
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9. Wade. This guy just burning his life. He is still young, but already looks like a 40+ man who is tired of everything in life and his interests are beer while watching football on TV and drinking with friends in a bar. Dude! You have a top girl, just S Tier! Wade is just degrading and doesn't deserve Cindy. He looks like those marginal unshaven men who live in a trailer. Have you seen his beer belly? His jealousy looks flawed, he shows his complexes of a miserable and weak person. Wade, you will lose Cindy, I guarantee you, hehe. He will lose her anyway. Do I hate Wade? No, I just feel sorry for him. But it is better to stay away from such people in life - they pull others to the bottom with them.

8. Louise. Louise is just not very smart, naive and blind girl who likes to judge others. The most common. It's just ridiculous how she can't see that Jeremy is cheating on her and doesn't even want to trust her friend! You have been friends for several years, studied together in college, Lena says in plain text that “Jeremy cucked you, Louise!”, And she answers “I trust him.” Okay, you trust a guy you've known for a couple of weeks but not your long-term girlfriend. I just had satisfaction when she came running in tears “Lena. You was right!"
I don't like how she judges Evie for her depraved lifestyle, but she quickly finds new guys herself:
- "My boyfriend left me", tears.
-Next day: "This is Jeremy, my new boyfriend. I'll be jumping on his black cock all night. And no, I'm not a whore, the whore is your friend Ivy!" So much hypocrisy
Oh yeah, how jealous she is if Lena spends more time with Ivy and puts in toxic comments about it. Louise is the kind of friend you shouldn't see every day and take in doses.

7. Minerva. Many people are familiar with this situation, right? Extremely toxic and overbearing boss that you have problems with. Luckily, this problem is cured by a good hate-fuck. By the way, in the Remaster, I lost the opportunity to pass the Minerva line, although I performed the same actions as in the original version. Was she cut? Or maybe you need to go the other way? If there are topic experts, write about it.
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6. Robert. A miserable and notorious egocentric loser who pretends to be an alpha. He tries to be cool, but it only takes one rejection from Lena and he reveals his frustration. Dementia and courage - I understand the motto of this guy. He solves any problem with a fight in which he loses, and the funny thing is that one evening he can get in the face from Axel, and then from Ian. He is even more disgusted when he first uses Lena for sex in a restaurant and only then tells her the news that she is fired. He is not interested in Lena as a person and is needed only to satisfy lust. In my playthrough, Robert gets a well-deserved response - Lena uses him as a sex doll for several times and abandons him after an incident in a cafe. An eye for an eye, Robert goes to the trash can. There was such a picture in the thread, I request it.

5. Agnes. Or Agatha. This old lady looks like an evil witch. (It was the Agatha all along ). Another rich elitist for whom people are garbage. I really did not like the mood with which she imposed on Lena a joint shooting with Axel. And she looks at Lena as a commodity that can be used. Nothing more. Better avoid this woman. The expression on Lena's face says it all - distrust of Agnes.

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4. Stan. The remaster didn't help. Stan is the same creepy incel and beta. Creepy Stan. This is the moment when I agree with the naive silly Louise. Maybe the female instinct for perverts worked. How else to call a guy who jerks off to your photos, which he took himself? For a photographer, this is an act of a bastard - in this work, trust between the model and the photographer is important. Stan betrayed that trust. I think he stole Louise's panties, not Lena's cat. Oh yes, this bastard went even further - if he is not taught a lesson, he spies on Lena having sex and ... jerking off again. Eh Stan, Stan ... a complete lack of desire to change and stay in the comfort zone. As one white-haired girl from a very popular VN would say: “PERVERT! CALL SECURITY!”
Well, at least he's not as ugly after the remaster.

3. Perry. He doesn't look like the mayor's rich son. Not the same image at all. How was this guy raised by his parents? This character exists for one purpose - to annoy the player. It whines all the time. Offended. Breaks Jan and Lena's date. He forgot his keys! Damn clown. Ruining parties and ruining fun. He blabbed in front of Lena that Ian had sex with other girls. And Perry is very greedy. He spared a can of beer for Cindy. Mayor's rich son regrets $5 for a friends! A shame. Seriously, there must be a solution for this guy to “Send Perry to Somalia”. And even if she does not dream of getting Emma.

2. Axel. Lena's ex-boyfriend is something I wouldn't wish on any girl. Control freak dictator, domestic abuser, manipulator and stalker. Also, a hypocrite. He tries to completely control Lena's life and at the same time cheats on her. Why does he even need a serious relationship if this guy can't control his dick? To satisfy his sadistic tendencies in controlling another person's life? This scene in episode 9… caused the most discomfort and understanding that this would not happen in my playthrough. Axel is a sadistic and control freak, Lena is his slave in this scenario. Lena's Will points burning down to zero and no matter how many of them were in stock confirm this theory.

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1. And here he is, the main villain. Seymour Ward. The oligarch, small business killer, blackmailer, abuser. At first, it may seem that this person replaces Arthur from GGGB. But it's much worse. This man is the main trouble of the city in the game. He buys out and bankrupts businesses with Parry's father, the city's mayor. He pulls the strings like a puppeteer, deciding the fate of people. For example, the situation with Lena. He fires Lena from his restaurant, blocks her opportunities to work in the modeling business. Seymour does this with one goal - to get Lena for himself personally. And he does it like a maniac. He threatens to ruin Ian and Lena's lives, blackmails them. He even threatens to block her Insta and Onlyfans (I think he is overplaying, social networks are too big a fish for Seymour, and as far as we know, he is just a city oligarch). This is a terrible person and I can imagine what is going on in his head. What is there to talk about: his idol is Friedrich Nietzsche. The man who brought Nazism to light. The scene at the end of episode 9 with Seymour is the second one, after Axel, that causes dislike. Of course, I'm interested to know how things will turn out if Lena signs a contract with Seymour. For players who choose this option, Seymour's true face is not revealed in all its glory. I will leave this option, but it will never be canon for me. My canon - Seymour Ward is sentenced to 25 years in prison for corrupt deals, blackmail and extortion, sexual assault. Get ready, Seymour. The vacant Harvey Wahnstein job is waiting for you.
Approximately such a list of antagonists turned out. It's not very good to start with an anti-rating, but there are really a lot of characters in the game who need to wash the dice. Next time I will post the Top of the most pleasant characters. If anyone has any feedback, I'd love to hear from you.

I will translate
ohh nooo women dont act like beaing a dik or WVM they dont worship all my huge 9inch cock and women and men actually have a personality and kinks pls help I dont know what to doo HELLPPPPP

no shit sherlock seriously this is why most like the game because good writting and the cheracters feel real like in real life(some look better than you, some are more arrogant some are annoying and so on....)

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I will translate
ohh nooo women dont act like beaing a dik or WVM they dont worship all my huge 9inch cock and women and men actually have a personality and kinks pls help I dont know what to doo HELLPPPPP

no shit sherlock seriously this is why most like the game because good writting and the cheracters feel real like in real life(some look better than you, some are more arrogant some are annoying and so on....)

Did I say somewhere that I don't like the game? Dude... she's my second best among all VN and i admit EvaKiss as a brilliant creator.

I don't mean to disappoint...But I don't know how you played the game. Because the chicks jump on Ian's cock very easily, with the exception of Cindy, Holly and Minerva.

Of course all characters have their own personality. This is one of the most developed games in terms of character personalities. Therefore, they can be discussed, loved or hated, criticized. There are some things I like about these characters, some I don't. In most games about NPCs, it is unrealistic to write even two words. I also have favorites in this game and this list is quite large. I'll write it later.
Are you offended that I don't like one of your favorites? Well then, cry somewhere else. Just don't act like Snowflake. Because your hysterical comment doesn't make sense. If you want to criticize my list, then write specifically what you disagree with and why. While you're just butthurting, unfortunately.

And yes, nice try with the other game examples you gave. I won't buy it:

 

[Turret]

I'm thinking here that episode 10 is still a long time to wait and there is nothing to do anyway, so you can revive the thread. Therefore, I made the top most hated characters in the game. It will be big, because there are a lot of annoying and unpleasant personalities in Our Red String! I have never met so many people in one game who pissed me off.
From least annoying to most disgusting:

10. Alison. I don't understand what's wrong with this girl. She is very intrusive, to the point that she almost rushes at Ian. Likes to interrupt other people's conversations and be the center of attention. Too focused on her problems, judgmental (Moment with Perry discussing trans-porn). In sex, she kills the mood and overreacts when Ian tries anal or cums inside her. Clicking on the fire options in Alison's scenes is not always a good idea. And yes, why does this lady look like a MILF at 27? I always skip Alison for Jeremy and prefer the more relaxed and easy-going Cherry
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9. Wade. This guy just burning his life. He is still young, but already looks like a 40+ man who is tired of everything in life and his interests are beer while watching football on TV and drinking with friends in a bar. Dude! You have a top girl, just S Tier! Wade is just degrading and doesn't deserve Cindy. He looks like those marginal unshaven men who live in a trailer. Have you seen his beer belly? His jealousy looks flawed, he shows his complexes of a miserable and weak person. Wade, you will lose Cindy, I guarantee you, hehe. He will lose her anyway. Do I hate Wade? No, I just feel sorry for him. But it is better to stay away from such people in life - they pull others to the bottom with them.

8. Louise. Louise is just not very smart, naive and blind girl who likes to judge others. The most common. It's just ridiculous how she can't see that Jeremy is cheating on her and doesn't even want to trust her friend! You have been friends for several years, studied together in college, Lena says in plain text that “Jeremy cucked you, Louise!”, And she answers “I trust him.” Okay, you trust a guy you've known for a couple of weeks but not your long-term girlfriend. I just had satisfaction when she came running in tears “Lena. You was right!"
I don't like how she judges Evie for her depraved lifestyle, but she quickly finds new guys herself:
- "My boyfriend left me", tears.
-Next day: "This is Jeremy, my new boyfriend. I'll be jumping on his black cock all night. And no, I'm not a whore, the whore is your friend Ivy!" So much hypocrisy
Oh yeah, how jealous she is if Lena spends more time with Ivy and puts in toxic comments about it. Louise is the kind of friend you shouldn't see every day and take in doses.

7. Minerva. Many people are familiar with this situation, right? Extremely toxic and overbearing boss that you have problems with. Luckily, this problem is cured by a good hate-fuck. By the way, in the Remaster, I lost the opportunity to pass the Minerva line, although I performed the same actions as in the original version. Was she cut? Or maybe you need to go the other way? If there are topic experts, write about it.
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6. Robert. A miserable and notorious egocentric loser who pretends to be an alpha. He tries to be cool, but it only takes one rejection from Lena and he reveals his frustration. Dementia and courage - I understand the motto of this guy. He solves any problem with a fight in which he loses, and the funny thing is that one evening he can get in the face from Axel, and then from Ian. He is even more disgusted when he first uses Lena for sex in a restaurant and only then tells her the news that she is fired. He is not interested in Lena as a person and is needed only to satisfy lust. In my playthrough, Robert gets a well-deserved response - Lena uses him as a sex doll for several times and abandons him after an incident in a cafe. An eye for an eye, Robert goes to the trash can. There was such a picture in the thread, I request it.

5. Agnes. Or Agatha. This old lady looks like an evil witch. (It was the Agatha all along ). Another rich elitist for whom people are garbage. I really did not like the mood with which she imposed on Lena a joint shooting with Axel. And she looks at Lena as a commodity that can be used. Nothing more. Better avoid this woman. The expression on Lena's face says it all - distrust of Agnes.

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4. Stan. The remaster didn't help. Stan is the same creepy incel and beta. Creepy Stan. This is the moment when I agree with the naive silly Louise. Maybe the female instinct for perverts worked. How else to call a guy who jerks off to your photos, which he took himself? For a photographer, this is an act of a bastard - in this work, trust between the model and the photographer is important. Stan betrayed that trust. I think he stole Louise's panties, not Lena's cat. Oh yes, this bastard went even further - if he is not taught a lesson, he spies on Lena having sex and ... jerking off again. Eh Stan, Stan ... a complete lack of desire to change and stay in the comfort zone. As one white-haired girl from a very popular VN would say: “PERVERT! CALL SECURITY!”
Well, at least he's not as ugly after the remaster.

3. Perry. He doesn't look like the mayor's rich son. Not the same image at all. How was this guy raised by his parents? This character exists for one purpose - to annoy the player. It whines all the time. Offended. Breaks Jan and Lena's date. He forgot his keys! Damn clown. Ruining parties and ruining fun. He blabbed in front of Lena that Ian had sex with other girls. Seriously, there must be a solution for this guy to “Send Perry to Somalia”. And even if she does not dream of getting Emma.

2. Axel. Lena's ex-boyfriend is something I wouldn't wish on any girl. Control freak dictator, domestic abuser, manipulator and stalker. Also, a hypocrite. He tries to completely control Lena's life and at the same time cheats on her. Why does he even need a serious relationship if this guy can't control his dick? To satisfy his sadistic tendencies in controlling another person's life? This scene in episode 9… caused the most discomfort and understanding that this would not happen in my playthrough. Axel is a sadistic and control freak, Lena is his slave in this scenario. Lena's Will points burning down to zero and no matter how many of them were in stock confirm this theory.

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1. And here he is, the main villain. Seymour Ward. The oligarch, small business killer, blackmailer, abuser. At first, it may seem that this person replaces Arthur from GGGB. But it's much worse. This man is the main trouble of the city in the game. He buys out and bankrupts businesses with Parry's father, the city's mayor. He pulls the strings like a puppeteer, deciding the fate of people. For example, the situation with Lena. He fires Lena from his restaurant, blocks her opportunities to work in the modeling business. Seymour does this with one goal - to get Lena for himself personally. And he does it like a maniac. He threatens to ruin Ian and Lena's lives, blackmails them. He even threatens to block her Insta and Onlyfans (I think he is overplaying, social networks are too big a fish for Seymour, and as far as we know, he is just a city oligarch). This is a terrible person and I can imagine what is going on in his head. What is there to talk about: his idol is Friedrich Nietzsche. The man who brought Nazism to light. The scene at the end of episode 9 with Seymour is the second one, after Axel, that causes dislike. Of course, I'm interested to know how things will turn out if Lena signs a contract with Seymour. For players who choose this option, Seymour's true face is not revealed in all its glory. I will leave this option, but it will never be canon for me. My canon - Seymour Ward is sentenced to 25 years in prison for corrupt deals, blackmail and extortion, sexual assault. Get ready, Seymour. The vacant Harvey Wahnstein job is waiting for you.
Approximately such a list of antagonists turned out. It's not very good to start with an anti-rating, but there are really a lot of characters in the game who need to wash the dice. Next time I will post the Top of the most pleasant characters. If anyone has any feedback, I'd love to hear from you.

Hi! Just a couple of remarks to your post. I find it a little bit funny how you bash some of the characters on your list for being judgmental, when your list and post is not free of it as well. "Disgusting" is quite strong for some characters on your list!

First off, the real person on your list, Nietzsche. Friedrich Nietzsche might not be my top philosopher and has some contrarian, discussionworthy ideas, but that you equate him solely with Nazism is disappointing and shows mainly that you do not get his basic tenets at all!
I do not want to go into a full-blown philosophy discussion due to fictional characters in a porn game at this time in the evening, so let us keep it like this, that we have different opinions about Nietzsche, but it had to be said!

Alison has her flaws and on some I agree with you. But she is less a mood killer in bed than you believe, depends very much how you play their romance or fuckbuddyness. And what we should not forget, unlike Cherry and Co. Alison is not a cheater, has some real problems in her life to overcome (unlike many others of the cast with inflated "problems") and is among the few characters in the game who has real feelings for Ian. She should definitely NOT be on a "disgusting" list!

Wade could definitely do more out of his life, but part of it is sucked out by being with this nag Cindy. I do not get why she is this liked. While Wade certainly needs a kick in the butt to get his act back together and has some serious responcibility how his relationship is on the rocks, when we look at Cindy beyond her looks, she is very high-maintainance, opiniated like few others of the characters, let herself easily blind by flattery and prone to cheating. While Wade´s couchpotatoness did not help one bit, we see the real Cindy soon after with the games competition. For Wade it is the only chance to take part and it is one of the things which is important to him and can get him get his groove back on, but what does Cindy do? She cannot wait to run to Axel! Wade should not be on your disgusting list too.

On Louise I agree mostly. I pity her, but she is a friend Lena could do without.

Minerva is a boss nobody needs. Abusive and using her position for a reign of bureau terror.

Robert I think was meant at game start to be an average guy who might get a decent development, but it misfired how he turned out.

Agnes I agree is a bit too elitist and used to get her way.

On Stan I disagree with you. Stan might have his cringe moments, but unlike many other characters in the game he is not aggressive or wants to bash others selfworth or worse. He leans more towards border eccentric and odd than creep. He is definitely not a creep. For me as a non-native english speaker, creepy translates to something like nasty, eerie or spooky, which Stan is not. Is there a something of a definition mismatch how the English-speakers use creepy?

On Perry I agree with you. Wade might be phlegmatic and a couch potato, but is a friend to Ian. Perry might be a friend too, but his social skills are worse than Stan´s! Even the "Quaintmaster" has more social awareness and finesse than Perry and that says much!

Axel is an a... and might even be on the way to psychopath, "nuff said".

On Seymour, I love a good antagonist and when we look at Eva´s first game, where we had some developments among the characters, his antagonist status might even change a bit, depending on how we play the game.

 

[Gato21]

No hate, but you guys really need to start playing & fapping more rather than writing these dissertations. Bruh, that is a wall of text.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Hi! Just a couple of remarks to your post. I find it a little bit funny how you bash some of the characters on your list for being judgmental, when your list and post is not free of it as well. "Disgusting" is quite strong for some characters on your list!

First off, the real person on your list, Nietzsche. Friedrich Nietzsche might not be my top philosopher and has some contrarian, discussionworthy ideas, but that you equate him solely with Nazism is disappointing and shows mainly that you do not get his basic tenets at all!
I do not want to go into a full-blown philosophy discussion due to fictional characters in a porn game at this time in the evening, so let us keep it like this, that we have different opinions about Nietzsche, but it had to be said!

Alison has her flaws and on some I agree with you. But she is less a mood killer in bed than you believe, depends very much how you play their romance or fuckbuddyness. And what we should not forget, unlike Cherry and Co. Alison is not a cheater, has some real problems in her life to overcome (unlike many others of the cast with inflated "problems") and is among the few characters in the game who has real feelings for Ian. She should definitely NOT be on a "disgusting" list!

Wade could definitely do more out of his life, but part of it is sucked out by being with this nag Cindy. I do not get why she is this liked. While Wade certainly needs a kick in the butt to get his act back together and has some serious responcibility how his relationship is on the rocks, when we look at Cindy beyond her looks, she is very high-maintainance, opiniated like few others of the characters, let herself easily blind by flattery and prone to cheating. While Wade´s couchpotatoness did not help one bit, we see the real Cindy soon after with the games competition. For Wade it is the only chance to take part and it is one of the things which is important to him and can get him get his groove back on, but what does Cindy do? She cannot wait to run to Axel! Wade should not be on your disgusting list too.

On Louise I agree mostly. I pity her, but she is a friend Lena could do without.

Minerva is a boss nobody needs. Abusive and using her position for a reign of bureau terror.

Robert I think was meant at game start to be an average guy who might get a decent development, but it misfired how he turned out.

Agnes I agree is a bit too elitist and used to get her way.

On Stan I disagree with you. Stan might have his cringe moments, but unlike many other characters in the game he is not aggressive or wants to bash others selfworth or worse. He leans more towards border eccentric and odd than creep. He is definitely not a creep. For me as a non-native english speaker, creepy translates to something like nasty, eerie or spooky, which Stan is not. Is there a something of a definition mismatch how the English-speakers use creepy?

On Perry I agree with you. Wade might be phlegmatic and a couch potato, but is a friend to Ian. Perry might be a friend too, but his social skills are worse than Stan´s! Even the "Quaintmaster" has more social awareness and finesse than Perry and that says much!

Axel is an a... and might even be on the way to psychopath, "nuff said".

On Seymour, I love a good antagonist and when we look at Eva´s first game, where we had some developments among the characters, his antagonist status might even change a bit, depending on how we play the game.

Greetings. Yes, I think we can close the topic of Nietzsche, because then the thread will slide into a big offtopic and our comments will be deleted by mods.
"Disgusting" is already closer to the top 3, for the rest I have rather an attitude from "unpleasant" to "slightly annoying". Alison is on the last list - she's a little annoying. A little clarification, otherwise people will think that I hate it, because I added it to the list. No, there's just too much drama with her. I already imagine a relationship with her, how she will complain all the time about a shitty boss and bad work

Cindy is really a very demanding and capricious girl. But we see what she wants from life, what place she wants to take. She wants more and strives for it. But she is wrong about Axl because she doesn't know that he will make her life hell. Because he really is a psychopath. I will also have a post about Cindy, there is a lot to tell. The problem with their relationship is that Wade doesn't fit Cindy right now. They have become too different and it is better to end such a relationship. Sad but true.

Robert seems to me such a base for sex content that you throw away along the way. Remember that basketball player from GGGB? Now, I forgot his name.

There is such a word in English "Weird". This word can also characterize Stan. He is very shy, sits in his shell and cannot realize his sexual libido. I know such a guy in my life and he is 30. And it's really strange, I prefer to keep my distance from such people. You see, I communicate with professional photographers. Including, work in erotic genres. Such behavior for the photographer is simply taboo. Stan really looks like a fan of the NTR genre.

I'm scratching my head how could Perry grow up to be so withdrawn and anti-social? From the son of the mayor, I would expect a typical cowboy womanizer with inflated self-esteem. And not a complexed beta. Although he is still spoiled, cranky and arrogant. But like a child.

I also like Seymour as a well-written villain, but the hatred is more for the person and his actions. The villain must be held accountable for his actions, or we join the villain. This is a non-linear game and anything is possible.

You wrote a good review, it is interesting to read a detailed opinion.

 

[reyir]

I hope it's okay to ask here, but can someone recommend me other game devs who make games of this quality? Any genre. And maybe it's better to message me not answer here publicly. Thanks in advance and sorry if I broke any rules

On valid topic of game tho, I'm really excited where it will lead that Ian talks Cindy into cheating on Wade. Originally I focused on Lena being giant slut, but I really like Cindy if she starts to be a cheat, in my opinion that just makes her mega hot

The one who is really close with this one is Lust Campus by Redlolly, but that game is in the remakes from 0 at this moment and if i remember correctly, chapter 1 will be released at the end of this month, the story is not as complex as ORS, but its still good