- Jul 1, 2017
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Yup, go for it. The five girls in the OP's banner are the "main five", so those two + the Carnations are the primary options.
- Oct 16, 2019
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Yeah these 2 are the clear non-sex crazed, foundationally stable (all things considered) and grounded love interests. There's not a WHOLE lot just yet, as the game's clear themes are centered around the club and the girls involved therein. That said, from what's included in the game so far, Hana and Mina's routes seem to have been solidly established amidst the rampant depravity and chaos as an outlet for escape for Edwin.
It seems to me they'll be apart of the main focus, at least as far as girls outside of the pale carnations themselves. If your main interest is in Hana or Mina, I see no reason not to stick with the game. They're almost certainly going to be a continuously prominent aspect for Edwin going forward.
- May 16, 2020
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Thank you for the reply
I figured out as I was playing a little while later so apologies for the late reply from my part!
And dont be mean to BaD... I mean, it made me interested in VNs AND made me start learning how to use Blender for now cause I am considering creating a studio and make VNs myself. If I had the funds saves I'd have already created a team dedicated in making them non stop for the community as I see there is a big interest in them
Never expected some of them to be of this high quality to be completely honest!
- Dec 30, 2020
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Thank you for the reply
I figured out as I was playing a little while later so apologies for the late reply from my part!
And dont be mean to BaD... I mean, it made me interested in VNs AND made me start learning how to use Blender for now cause I am considering creating a studio and make VNs myself. If I had the funds saves I'd have already created a team dedicated in making them non stop for the community as I see there is a big interest in them
Never expected some of them to be of this high quality to be completely honest!
If you ever go for it and need a writer with some concepts ready to go, let me know
- Apr 26, 2017
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Mina needs a better boyfriend, Killian and his "hero worship syndrome" makes him a really bad one specially when he tries to imitate that scumbag of his uncle Chuck.
Maybe he will go back to worshipping Edwin if his friendship points are high. Not really a long term solution but better than him turning into a "Chuck junior".
Maybe he will go back to worshipping Edwin if his friendship points are high. Not really a long term solution but better than him turning into a "Chuck junior".
- Jun 25, 2018
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I disagree, both of them know each other pretty well at this point, e.g. Ian knows how her mind works and how to trigger a desired response from her, he also knows that going with her shopping is a task for several hours, he knows how much she can drink before her lights go out, etc. What's more, on several occasions they've shown they do care about each other, e.g. when Ian took her to bed protecting her from a massive hangover.
Anyway, I'm sure that Mina could easily find someone better from the get-go but he's not that bad for Mina and he's definitely better than Edwin who is either a sadistic stud who fucks everything that moves or a whore who fucks for money against his values and better judgment.
I do wonder what her reaction will be once she learns about PC club and that her boyfriend and a friend/future-boyfriend/fuck-buddy both work there. Seeing how she acted when Edwin peeped on her I doubt it will be a deal-breaker for her though.
- Jul 29, 2019
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You do know that you can play as a "good guy" and most of the sex encounter is avoidable, except for some Carnations stuff which is part of the job. Edwin is only a sadistic who fuck everything that moves if you choose to to so.
- Jun 25, 2018
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GIL has just posted bonus art of Mina for patrons:
Wow!
And while it's true that we can skip much of the erotic content not much remains if we choose to do so since it is an eroge first and foremost.
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Wow!
That's why I've written that otherwise he's just a whore who fucks for money against his values and better judgement. You even quoted that part FFS...
And while it's true that we can skip much of the erotic content not much remains if we choose to do so since it is an eroge first and foremost.
OK, I have to ask, where does that hate against Chuck comes from? Yeah, he's a lecherous old man but it's not like he's raping those women or even coercing them to perform (at least as far as we know) and from what we've seen out of all Carnations Club owners he's the most humane one.
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Poor Mina. She's screwed either way in my game. Because my Edwin is discovering that he is a sadistic bastard. And he's relishing the idea of taking Mina from Killian.
But yes, you could play the good guy. Or at least as good a guy as you can be while working for the Carnation club. Whether that makes you deserving of Mina is highly questionable. She's the one girl who is innocent (at least in context of the club's activities.) Hana fans may not want to see it but Hana works at the club, which means that, however indirectly, she supports what they do (unless I've missed something and there's some reason she has no choice but to work there.)
But yes, you could play the good guy. Or at least as good a guy as you can be while working for the Carnation club. Whether that makes you deserving of Mina is highly questionable. She's the one girl who is innocent (at least in context of the club's activities.) Hana fans may not want to see it but Hana works at the club, which means that, however indirectly, she supports what they do (unless I've missed something and there's some reason she has no choice but to work there.)
Hi, sunaboz! Can you at least tell us a bit about the extra art? Would appreciate it!
I agree with you on Chuck, he might be a "Lech" with minority tastes when it comes to sex, but outside that, he is a rather famous explorer and quite a nice guy. (At least as far as we know currently)
Hi quorkboy! It is unfortunate for Mina that your Edwin is stumbling over and exploring his inner bastard, but that is one of the great things about the game, you can play many different styles and they count!
As for Hana, the main reason she works at the Club is that her Mom needs expensive (and since this story plays in the US, it is REALLY expensive) care, money she would be hardpressed to raise otherwise. While she truly dislikes/hates working at PC, she recognises that it gets her the wage she needs to help her mother.
But yes, in certain points of view, she supports Pale Carnations, no matter the reason and she must be a good barkeeper, since August, while he wants to finally get to know his daughter, is not the kind of guy to let a subpar standard go on. So Hana does not do "Dienst nach Vorschrift", which means "Work exactly like regulated" a German euphemism for "doing just enough, not one finger move more".
- Jun 25, 2018
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I've blurred the best part, decreased quality significantly and cropped the image but now you know it's worth to become a patron:
First a big thank you, sunaboz, this is more than I expected! I actually knew before your post that becoming a patron would be worth it, Carnations is one of rather few games it is obvious!
But there are two things, I have a strong dislike for Patreon, still what is even more important, our House. My ancestors built it and I would never want to live anywhere else, but does the term "Gründerzeitstil" mean anything to you? Looks great, is great to live in, but it also means old and when you have to repair something substantial, it makes your eyes water big time.
We have some repairs coming up in autumn which cannot be pushed back, so any frills of life are on the backburner.
- Apr 25, 2020
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I like Chuck, he's a good friendly old pervert and a mentor for my MC. And since you're on this site and furthermore playing this game, you're as a pervert as him. The only thing is he's financing the club, but if it was a regular strip club or even a brothel there'd be nothing to say
I totally get your point and agree that Edwin is also not a good choice for her. But saying that Killian is "definitely better" than Edwin seems like crazy talk to me.
How is Killian not already a "sadistic stud who fucks everything that moves"??? And he shows zero remorse for any of his actions. Killian basically seems like what Edwin is in danger of becoming after a few years at the club if he goes down the darker path.
I'm guessing the lighter path will result in him leaving / destroy the club, so he won't be there long term.
- Sep 20, 2018
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But... Ian has the same job as the MC. How do Ian's poor values and worse judgement somehow insulate him from the same criticism?
Not that I think Ian and Mina couldn't be a good fit if the MC can force some empathy into the guy, but I don't really understand your reasoning.
As for there being little left if we skip most of the content, I disagree. The basic scenario of the game is intriguing, and so far there have been a bunch of interesting interactions even if you turn down lewd scenes with the various girls. For Mina in particular, she's makes a fun friend even when you keep things platonic.
I don't think I'd be following this game if it didn't make turning down sex interesting.
- Jun 25, 2018
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He doesn't have sadistic tendencies for one (and Edwin has them even when he decides to not cross the line, he just keeps it in check). Secondly, he's not as whorish and hypocritical as Edwin who goes against his better judgment to earn money and tuition, often pretends he's better but in the end does exactly the same as Ian or worse (depending on our choices). He's also totally fucked up in the head when you consider that he watches his mom doing porn and all of this supposedly serves as moral compass to him. I mean, WTF? He was also joking (or not joking) about fucking Ian's mother (regardless of our choices), something you won't see Ian doing (he respects Victoria too much). Last but not least, Ian is a really good, loyal friend, if not for him Edwin would just ignore him and not even stay in touch.
They don't, I'm saying he's better than Ian and Mina could definitely do worse than him.
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- Aug 14, 2018
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I won't lie, the first time I played this game I did not suspect one of the hottest subjects of debate would be if Edwin v Killian was better for Mina. I still find her an empty, vacuous person and have no idea why anyone would give two shits about her. She pretty! and cutsey! and likes to act! and... ummm... that's about it. If I had to pick a non-carnations girl, Hana is 10x better.
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He definitely has sadistic tendencies, arguable on if they're more or less than Edwin's (since we don't get to see all of Killian's encounters and inner thoughts. His treatment of the girls in the club (often insulting and demeaning them) plus the meta knowledge that you get a point with him by stating you have a fetish for treating a woman like an object during Never Have I Ever is a big indication. His story about how he approached his maid Alice was also heavy on domination and sadistic dialogue, "With a little prodding, I even got her to admit I was fucking her better than her dead husband ever did." We've not seen him get physically sadistic, but that's only one aspect of sadism.
This I can see going either way, when compared to Edwin, we don't know how often he sleeps around. Given what we know though, he's cheated on Mina multiple times with Edwin walking into one such encounter. Inside the club he's a willing participant in the activities. Killian is absolutely a whore. More or less than Edwin though, I think Killian is worse, but definitely debatable.
I agree on this point, although I don't fully blame Edwin. He's in the process of discovering himself and his sadistic desires, so I feel his reactions are genuine, but he's not self aware. Of Killian's many flaws, he's not a hypocrite and open about what he feels and does in regards to his sexual tendencies.
Killian has different issues than Edwin. Edwin's viewing of him mom's porn tapes is definitely fucked, but it's not clear yet if it's sexual or just as a self-flagellation of sorts (reminding himself he's only where is is now because of his mother's sacrifices). Killian won't joke about fucking Victoria, but that's specifically because he respects her and Edwin too much, he'll do things like that to other women. Again, that line "With a little prodding, I even got her to admit I was fucking her better than her dead husband ever did." is pretty damning.
Absolutely, very few would disagree that Killian's loyalty to Edwin as a friend is his best feature. Edwin isn't as good of a friend in return, but that does happen when friends start drifting apart in life (particularly during collage years). I would counter this point though by stating that while he's a good friend to Edwin, he's been a poor boyfriend to Mina so this level of loyalty seems to be solely for Edwin and not to all his friends.
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I can somewhat agree with this but in the end those interactions are rather short and lack the proper "reward". As good as TD is as a writer it's still only an erotic VN and playing one skipping erotic scenes seems pointless to me. That is unless turning down sex gets us some interesting scene later on, e.g. when you skip the sex scene with Rosalind you get much juicer one later on and with Harper I'm guessing it will be similar. Something like this I approve 100%.
I do like to check out different outcomes, because characters here are very well written and the game is interesting even in "censored" state but if I was here only for the story I would rather replay Planescape: Torment or Age of Decadence and not eroge.