VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Avaron1974]

But speaking about Rosalind, I didn't like the unavoidable blowjob scene; I mean it's not that big of a deal and it rather works well in terms of plot, but I never felt forced to participate in any sexual activity before [minus watching or doing smaller stuff like this leg licking moment with Veronica]. I felt forced into one now, and I didn't like it tbh,

The sexual activity is only going to grow as it goes along and you will be forced to do things you don't want to do, that's the whole point of the game.

Devs have made that clear, this is a sex contest and you wok for the brothel running it. You will have to do sex acts when told and watch the girls go through them, it's not going to be optional.

 

[altmas66]

i just started with this game, question is there a sexual relationship with the mother o the MC?

 

[darth_hiruma]

i just started with this game, question is there a sexual relationship with the mother o the MC?

No

 

[albul]

Lady Fortuna
STkems GIL3D I appreciate what you are trying to do there, but I read enough here to realise that it is in fact not for me, and there's just too much in the story that puts me off and makes me not be willing to invest the time required to give it a fair chance. I also tend to get attached to characters when the writing is good ( and from what people say, it's really really good), and I don't wanna risk that with what this story is about. You can call me close minded if you'd like, but I know why I am playing VNs, and this is not it. See Avaron's post just a couple of posts above as a prime example why I know it's not for me.

Sorry for invading the thread. Enjoy the game, fellas!

 

[bacienvu88]

When I started playing this game I was really, really frustrated with Kathleen. She's just so maddening. But now that I've finished playing I realised that Kathleen is actually a really well written character. It is mainly the situation the MC is in and the actions (or lack thereof) from the MC that causes me frustration.

I mean, I get why the MC can't just up and act against the Clubs owners and challenge Kathleen from the get go. But he continually lets himself be more and more dependent on the Club by accepting their apartment, quitting his other job, etc.

And he also does nothing to put himself in a better position visa vi the owners by e.g. researching them in the same way Kathleen did on the MC. I mean it would be very interesting for the MC to know about the people Kathleen actually cares about (she has a sister, but she is spoken about in past tense most of the time so I assume she has passed away, can't remember if this is mentioned in the game). Imagine MC calling one of them in the same way Kathleen called MC:s mom.

Or at the very least making some sort of plans on how to take control of his life again. Because at this rate he is well on his way to become full time pimp rather than a medical doctor.

Anyway, frustrations aside, really excellent game. And I'm very much looking forward to future updates.

 

[Avaron1974]

Imagine MC calling one of them in the same way Kathleen called MC:s mom.

Then he'd probably end up in the shit.

That kind of leverage only works if you can back it up. Kathleen has a LOT of resources and could ruin his life. He has none and could do nothing.

Gathering information is one thing but if he tried to do anything now when he has no way of backing it up not only would he look dumb as fuck but he'd be homeless, unemployed, out of his course and probably struggle finding work again considering how many people are involved with the club.

Trying to do anything without getting someone with actual power on his side would be amazingly stupid.

He's a student at the bottom of the ladder in their business, they have been doing that for years. He'd be absolutely destroyed.

 

[HSHS1111]

Wow, I didn't expect to like Rosa's part of the update that much but hot damn! She's shaping up nicely. And Edwin is totally falling for her motherly wiles/vibes.

It's funny how Hanna thinks Kathleen's talk was just about Hanna selling her shares eventually. While that is certainly a long term goal, she's going to try and manipulate Hanna into using her weight to her advantage as soon as she get the 50%. Through both her hate for her dad and her goodwill trying to help the employees.

And that cliffhanger. Mina trying to get back at Ian with some kind of revenge video, I guess. This is totally going to backfire. We already know from Ian how he feels about Mina. Nothing much. He'll drop her in a heartbeat. If Edwin is in the video he might be miffed about his best buddy fucking his "girlfriend", but if it's "only" Felicia he's likely to just respond "Nice!", making Mina either furious or have her break down. I wonder if the best course of action will be talking her out of it. If that's even a possibility.

 

[Mister_M]

The sexual activity is only going to grow as it goes along and you will be forced to do things you don't want to do, that's the whole point of the game.

Devs have made that clear, this is a sex contest and you wok for the brothel running it. You will have to do sex acts when told and watch the girls go through them, it's not going to be optional.

I did say that it works in terms of plot, and I didn't say that I want dev to delete it or to change it. But despite the fact that it works well for the story, I personally don't have to like it as a player who tries to immerse himself in said story (if that makes sense). Maybe if my MC would be more reluctant in this scene I'd have different feelings, but in general you are of course right and my aim isn't to criticize this game or devs, just to share some emotions the game made me feel.

 

[Avaron1974]

I personally don't have to like it as a player

That's also the point of the story.

It's designed to make us either uncomfortable or embrace it. The MC has 2 ways of approaching the girls, he can either be a friend and try to ease their burden or throw himself into it and not care at all.

It's going to make some of us uncomfortable in some scenes so we can empathise with the girls and what they are going through. Some will enjoy seeing them suffer, some won't.

 

[Mister_M]

That's also the point of the story.

It's designed to make us either uncomfortable or embrace it. The MC has 2 ways of approaching the girls, he can either be a friend and try to ease their burden or throw himself into it and not care at all.

It's going to make some of us uncomfortable in some scenes so we can empathise with the girls and what they are going through. Some will enjoy seeing them suffer, some won't.

Well... That's kinda obvious And as you said some will enjoy it, some not; I simply shared the fact that shows the story did indeed succeed in making me uncomfortable by not liking some acts done by the MC and to the MC, not to mention acts done to all those women.

 

[sunaboz]

@STkems @GIL3D I appreciate what you are trying to do there, but I read enough here to realise that it is in fact not for me

Well, if I would spoil myself and read all the interesting bits here instead of in-game I would probably think it's a waste of time playing it. But that's not the case, that's like saying:

- "I don't want to read Crime and punishment because I don't like brutal stories and I've read that this book is about a guy who killed some woman so it's not for me".

Except for the fact it's a very superficial view, based on nothing really. What matters is how the story is delivered and how the characters are presented, the crime itself is just a main plot trigger. What's in-between is what's important. For some reason you're interested enough in PC that you're lurking here and reading with interest what happens but due to your prejudice and irrational thinking you're sure that it's not for you (and yet you keep coming back and even reply suggesting you want to play it).

Anyway, do what you want but I would at least try and play the game myself and rely on MY OWN opinion rather than read bits and pieces of information that are presented here. I would understand if you wouldn't want to try the game if you weren't into VNs or porn games in general but skimming through your posts and seeing what titles you like it shows to me you have a silly way of looking at things. Many of the characters in games you like are much bigger whores than any character in PC, they jump on a dick whenever you want and do it for free .

So yeah, you're the one calling and don't be surprised that people are baffled at your irrational and inconsistent behaviour (and I'm euphemizing here).

 

[1337Bob]

The real question is why is Mina working out while having her hair done up? That can't be comfortable or helpful.

Maybe she really is that much of a diva.

 

[Nulldev]

The real question is why is Mina working out while having her hair done up? That can't be comfortable or helpful.

Maybe she really is that much of a diva.

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[Poser_Voyeur]

My guess would be that many people just see the general premise of the game and its tags and brush over it. People looking for the fast food equivalent of AVN are going to be attracted to stuff like College Kings.
I'll admit that I really don't like the more extreme fetish stuff and find it distasteful, and I can imagine many people would be turned off or turned away because of it. But it absolutely works from a narrative perspective. You know an AVN is good when its story surpasses its sexual content. You're not playing just to get your rocks off. I hope many people who may have been turned off give it a shot and be pleasantly surprised by the game.

Yes I agree. I am not into some of the kinks experienced so far in PC. I do my best to avoid those more extreme choices where possible and remain hooked enough by the storyline to let the MC experience some of the milder kinks that I would nt be interested in personally.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

I quite liked how Edwin could just start by giving a small nudge on Veronica and Rosalind and later they would take the reins of the situation: Veronica by manhandling Edwin into a orgasm and Rosalind by letting her verbal degrading fetish run wild.
As i said before Veronica can be such a hot dom and Rosalind clearly also gets off on the whole mom play.


Victoria (mom) and Hana messing with Edwin was funny, specially his dumb face while they were laughing.

About Kathleen it seems to me she wants to take her current partners down. As she mentioned to Edwin before she thinks August is a brute without finess and Chuck just a older version of Killian. No wonder she was so interested in bringing Edwin, who Chuck likes a lot, to her side. And now she is trying to do the same with Hana.
She wants to win over the smart people who hold some sway with those two old perverts.

About Veronica's troubles, While it seems the gym was already on the red when she bought it (hence why it was cheap) two things come to mind as really shifty. First the lease agreement for some of the equipment forcing a renew of the contract for a whole year and the surprise inspection making Veronica spend more money to bring the bulding up to regulations.

Meanwhile Rosalind's troubles seem quite simple if Edwin can get the money to pay for the month.

About the cliffhanger i kinda doubt Mina wants to do a revenge porn video. I still see her as too naive to do it. By the way, Ian is such a dumb asshole. Leaving a sex video like that literally on his girlfriend's house.


ps: those scenes made me chuckle.

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[Turret]

Lady Fortuna
STkems GIL3D I appreciate what you are trying to do there, but I read enough here to realise that it is in fact not for me, and there's just too much in the story that puts me off and makes me not be willing to invest the time required to give it a fair chance. I also tend to get attached to characters when the writing is good ( and from what people say, it's really really good), and I don't wanna risk that with what this story is about. You can call me close minded if you'd like, but I know why I am playing VNs, and this is not it. See Avaron's post just a couple of posts above as a prime example why I know it's not for me.

Sorry for invading the thread. Enjoy the game, fellas!

Hi! If, as you said, you are on the thread regularly, then you might have come across some of my posts. I stumbled over Pale Carnations by chance and was not sure too, if it was something for me, but different reasons than yours. I do not like some of the kinks shown in the game and I avoid or speed through them, but that does not take away from the awesome quality of Pale Carnations. It is among the Top 3 games on F95 and I am glad that I gave the game a chance! Absolute great writing and art!
The game is designed to make us players take a side on the morals/lust spectrum or how we balance them. So every player will have a different playthrough based on how we navigated it. I am sure, you would find one to your liking if you gave the game a chance.

Wow, I didn't expect to like Rosa's part of the update that much but hot damn! She's shaping up nicely. And Edwin is totally falling for her motherly wiles/vibes.

It's funny how Hanna thinks Kathleen's talk was just about Hanna selling her shares eventually. While that is certainly a long term goal, she's going to try and manipulate Hanna into using her weight to her advantage as soon as she get the 50%. Through both her hate for her dad and her goodwill trying to help the employees.

And that cliffhanger. Mina trying to get back at Ian with some kind of revenge video, I guess. This is totally going to backfire. We already know from Ian how he feels about Mina. Nothing much. He'll drop her in a heartbeat. If Edwin is in the video he might be miffed about his best buddy fucking his "girlfriend", but if it's "only" Felicia he's likely to just respond "Nice!", making Mina either furious or have her break down. I wonder if the best course of action will be talking her out of it. If that's even a possibility.

As for the Hana-Kathleen situation

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[bacienvu88]

Then he'd probably end up in the shit.

That kind of leverage only works if you can back it up. Kathleen has a LOT of resources and could ruin his life. He has none and could do nothing.

Gathering information is one thing but if he tried to do anything now when he has no way of backing it up not only would he look dumb as fuck but he'd be homeless, unemployed, out of his course and probably struggle finding work again considering how many people are involved with the club.

Trying to do anything without getting someone with actual power on his side would be amazingly stupid.

He's a student at the bottom of the ladder in their business, they have been doing that for years. He'd be absolutely destroyed.

First, I'm not saying that MC should act on much if anything here. At least not yet. The main problem I have is that he hasn't even started thinking about it. Which means his only possible way to free himself is that he gets lucky and outside events make it happen. And even then he will be in a poor situation to take advantage of it.

Second, in the scenario I imagine, the goal wouldn't be to blackmail Kathleen in the traditional sense, instead the goal is to make sure Kathleen knows that if anything happens to MC, Kathleen and the club is going down the drain with him. All to make sure Kathleen can't pull any shit on MC or his family and friends.

And Kathleen's position isn't as solid as you make out either. Sure she has lots of resources. But if the benefactors of her charity were to turn against her (perhaps through a leaked video of one of the events featuring Kathleen which MC has received) she would lose all of those resources in an instance. And her position is not that good in the club itself either (at least that is my interpretation on why she is making the power play for the control of the club through Hana and there are hints that most of the clientele don't take her seriously at all). One of the events going to shit would find her in a very precarious position. And MC is of course very well placed to make something happen that can be blamed on Kathleen.

 

[Skylaroo]

It is mainly the situation the MC is in and the actions (or lack thereof) from the MC that causes me frustration.

Or at the very least making some sort of plans on how to take control of his life again. Because at this rate he is well on his way to become full time pimp rather than a medical doctor.

A suggestion about this is for you to try not self-insert yourself into the MC. Think about it more like as if MC is a friend of yours who'd time to time ask for your advice on what to do on certain things. You can suggest things to him, but you can't control his whole life to live like the way you want to.

Also note that the game is only on Chapter 3 which is still fairly early if you look at the whole picture. I have no idea how many chapters are planned, but story-wise we can see that there are still a lot of introductory things where we're building things up slowly (ex: Hana has just started to be more involved in the club, Felicia still has a lot of explaining to do about her own motive, MC just started to get more information about Rosalyn/Veronica's problems, Ian and Mina's troubled relationship started to get more serious, etc). So it's unrealistic to already expect MC to make plans to take control of his life again at this point in time.

but he'd be homeless, unemployed, out of his course and probably struggle finding work again considering how many people are involved with the club.

This is a massive exaggeration. I agree with you that MC has zero chance of beating Kath right now, but losing to her doesn't suddenly mean MC's life is going to be destroyed anywhere like that.

Trying to do anything without getting someone with actual power on his side would be amazingly stupid.

Having said all that, MC seems to have Chuck on his side, no? I wonder what exactly their relationship is like. MC seems to also be able to have good relationship with August. So maybe it isn't that unrealistic to see MC having powerful people backing him? Not to mention that if MC is a social butterfly/chameleon, maybe he'd get the influential guests to be on his side too? Who knows what might happen in the future.

 

[bolondro2]

There are cliffhangers, evil cliffhangers and THIS kind of cliffhangers!!!!

I wonder how many options you get to manage the situation. Mi thoughts before THIS were

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but now i´m not sure anymore.

 

[JayneCobb]

Finally got my head out of my ass and became a member on Patreon because holy fuck do these folks deserve it.

So many other games out there are basically a case of pick 2: creative, engaging story - excellent visuals - well written and grammatically correct. But this game sits you down and gives you extra helpings of all 3.

One thing that I think really stands out to me compared to a lot of other games (other than actually having a well written story) is how expressive and life-like the characters seem. The writing certainly helps, but especially the visuals. Any idiot with DAZ, a good GPU, and lots of time can create visually impressive renders, but more often than not it just feels like I'm looking at lifelike mannequins. Y'know, stiff, lifeless, bleh. This game has me feeling e m o t i o n s about these fictional characters.

Now if you all will excuse me, I need to put myself into a medically induced coma so I can wake up a year from now and have several updates worth of Hana and Mina content to mainline all at once.