I don't see the complication here. Ian said he's attended all but one of the Exhibitions. So he missed the one four years ago (which was when the Club first opened), but he attended the one three years ago (after he turned 18), the one two years ago, the one last year, and we've seen him attending the current Exhibition.
So he's attended 4 of the 5 annual Exhibitions. No conflict between what he and August said.
Hey yall, if someone could help me, the memories for the in game events are not showing in the leisure room area. If anyone knows about this issue please let me know. Also great game!
Every thought, every spoken line and even the actions of the ingame characters could be flawed by self-deception and delusion, by the attempt to deceive others, or the will to manipulate and to enforce a hidden agenda. Truth is a rare commodity in this game.
I'd like to elaborate a bit more on that issue, and would like to focus particularly on the difficulties to determine accurate timespans and timepoints, especially if they are just stated in a casual conversation. Because even without malicious intent they are surprisingly unreliable.
A robot is able to tell an event happened "7 years 5 months 23 days and 13 hours" ago, and perhaps even adding the exact minutes and seconds.
Humans are no robots, so we would refer to the same event like "It happened seven and a half year ago" if we are precise or more likely something like "It happened seven or eight years ago".
Human memory is notoriously vague in recalling the precise circumstances and time of an incident, even if this incident was important or "life-changing" at that time. There are several important "life-changing" (that's ofc a bit exaggerated) events in my own life, and without reconfirming them with my family, my friends or girlfriends and other sources, i am at a loss of the exact time and my age, let alone the precise date.
Now not everyone has such a bad memory as i do, but generally memory is a bitch. I think you can relate. That's why courts prefer hard evidence over a witness testimony.
We forget things, we remember falsely and we unconsciously twist our memories so they make sense to us.
There is also another interesting thing i just found out, while i was pondering this issue:
If someone was born in 1960 how old would they be in 1982? Looks easy, simple math: Most people would say 22.
Fun fact: alot of people born in 1960 were actually 21 for a good or even great amount of the year 1982. Oktober born ones spent 75% of 1982 as 21 year olds, and if they are born at New Year's Eve... it's 99,7%.
So how does this apply to PaleCarnations?
We simply have to take every stated timespan or timeframe by the characters with a grain of salt, not only because they could be lying, but also just because there is very likely a certain margin of time to that statement.
When Grace says Ian is a year younger than Edwin, he is not exactly a year younger but a few or several month younger.
When Edwin says a decade ago, it's likely something between 9 to 13 years and not exactly 10 years.
When Ian says he joined the club three years ago, it's tree years plusminus a few months.
We have to take a margin into account, if we are to determine the timeline and we need to countercheck with other sources and hard evidence (like Vicky's unedited videos).
With all this said, i have to announce with great regret that my favourite working theory lies on it's deathbed. It is dying and there is few hope for recovery, since i would need to stretch those margins to the extreme to make this timeline work. Alas, who knows, there is still a slim chance, so i won't spoil it yet.
However, fear not dear fellows, i have already came up with another one, of which i am not as fond of as with my old one, but this new theory could nonetheless prove juicy enough to satisfy your tastes.
So let's go for the real timeline.
Lets start with a few points i believe we all can agree on.
Victoria is 46. As of June she could already had her birthday, or her birthday could still lie ahead in the months to come, thus turning her 47 this year.
Edwin recently (as of 7th of June) had his 22nd birthday. So she was 24 when she was giving birth to him. But she could turned 25 in his birthyear.
Victorias Husband died when Edwin was a around 6 years old. So she was either 30 or 31, when she became a widow.
Killian is 21. Grace said he is a year younger than Edwin, which means he is a few or several months younger, but not a whole year, both shared the same age until Edwins birthday. So Killian very likely already had his birthday this year, since he said he is with the club since three years, when he turned 18.
Now thanks to Simpgor, who provided this piece of evidence, which kinda was a missing part of the puzzle, atleast it simplified my line of evidence.
I'd say we can agree that the gentleman to the left in this Exhibition is indeed Ian, and the guy to the right should be Darius. Even if he is masked, there had to be a literal Twin working at the club to meet this kind of resemblance.
Our Characters know the year they are living in, so even if the year was tampered with by Kathleen, there can't be a too big deviation, because this would be conspicuous to Edwin.
Now we are able to deduce relative easily which is the actual current year. If Exhibition 3 took place in the summer of 2017, then the 4th was 2018, and the current 5th one takes place in the year 2019.
I think i waited long enough and was dropping hints left and right about it.
So there are for sure several of you, who are now aware of the grave consequences this year has.
However i will spell it out, for those who aren't following this thread as closely as others.
I stated here that Victoria is lying about her age in her casting video.
There is of course more, but i will conclude this post for now, awaiting your views on this matter. Still alot to consider for us.
Cheers, as always! Ganbatte!
Hey yall, if someone could help me, the memories for the in game events are not showing in the leisure room area. If anyone knows about this issue please let me know. Also great game!
I think there are like five or six potential outcomes to this, influenced by Minas Affection, MinaKillian Romance and IanEdwin Bromance and of course if you cheated or not and if you pushed for a breakup or let her proceed at her own pace.
MinaKillian Romance will presumably determine the breakup, even without direct interference from Edwin. Low - yes and High - no; A middle score will need other factors to fall either on the breakup side or the stay together side.
IanEdwin Bromance will presumably take a hit, if Edwin was cheating with Mina and definetly take a large hit if he was cheating and pushed for a breakup. The remaining Bromance after this fallout will probably determine if Edwin is still on good terms with Ian (i expect them to be if Bromance >20 or >25), if their friendship cools down (Bromance <= 20) or even turns to hate if it falls below 10.
If they stay together, Edwin didn't cheat, Mina has a high affection for you and Ian has a high Bromance score i see a clear sharing / swinging path with them.
If they stay together, but you cheated with her, i believe it will develop into either a hatefuck scenario or one in which you cuckold your best friend, depending on if and how Ian learns of the cheating.
If they break up and you have high affection, it should open the romance path with Mina.
If they break up, but you refused her as lover, she will be your fuck buddy.
And last but not least the path Turret is working for: they stay together and with your help they become a happy couple.
This is a point which i probably didn't make clear enough.
I am not opposed to the idea Victoria did more than these three shots, oh god i seriously hope there are more than just those three.
There are alot of days between the 8th of Januar and the 24th of March 2009, so even if those two dates mark the beginning and the end of her career, there would be room for easily like 8 more, if she chose to shoot every saturday for instance. However, i don't think she could have shot like every other day, because being absent from work or home that often would be impossible to hide.
But these are the three we know of, and these are the three Edwin is aware of. It's totally possible that Edwin was unable to dig up all of her stuff, so maybe we will never know. It's possible he will learn about more videos from - you name it - August, Kathleen, Chuck and even Ian or does, propelled by recent club-related developments, start again researching this topic in his own right.
The main reason i am concentrating on this small time frame and this few videos is a bit meta: why should the author decide to show us only three videos, covering just months? They could easily went for like 08. Jan 2008, 27. Feb 2009 and like 24. Mar 2011, but decided against it, so i am inclined to believe there is a significant motive behind those dates.
amazing game
Realistic, shocking...thought-provoking.
Much like the Loli Island incident...that Bill or something...
A lot of people just aren't exposed...
There are alot of days between the 8th of Januar and the 24th of March 2009, so even if those two dates mark the beginning and the end of her career, there would be room for easily like 8 more, if she chose to shoot every saturday for instance. However, i don't think she could have shot like every other day, because being absent from work or home that often would be impossible to hide.
But these are the three we know of, and these are the three Edwin is aware of. It's totally possible that Edwin was unable to dig up all of her stuff, so maybe we will never know. It's possible he will learn about more videos from - you name it - August, Kathleen, Chuck and even Ian or does, propelled by recent club-related developments, start again researching this topic in his own right.
Victoria was into porn to have enough money to keep living in the same place, close enough to the same tenor she and MC lived so far. I have no idea of how well might porn pay, but porn starlets don't seem so wealthy and 3 movies only dosen't seem much to be fine on long terms. She maybe did porn until she was able to get a rise of a promotion of sort in her main career. Maybe a few years, even. Unless we are to discover something even grimmer about her.
