VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[selberdreher]

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Yes, i believe it will be in the ballpark of -10 to -15 if cheating and told Mina to break up, if he discovers both, because this would be a major betrayal of trust for Ian, probably. Only cheating depends, but i expect atleast like -5 to -10 for their Bromance, because it's never cool to cheat with your Bros girl, even if he doesn't love her. If he doesn't discover the cheating, but Mina tells him Edwin said she should breakup, this could be like -0 to -5.
Couldn't provide evidence even if i wanted to, because it's still in the future, and i am not a clairvoyant.

 

[selberdreher]

3. A grown-up male person is not allowed on school grounds, unless he has a valid reason to be there.

Assuming (logically) that the school is public it would be very easy to get on school grounds (picking up kid, claiming to be teacher/janitor etc). Not that Chuck would have to do these things but being an adult male does not instantly bar you from going onto school grounds and probably shouldn't be used as "definite" point

Okay, with this point i need some help from actual US-americans thread members, because i was under the impression that security on school grounds tightened considerably in the last two decades after Columbine.

At least for my country, where school premises are still relative easily accessible, you would be called out in no time, if spotted by teachers, other staff or even pupils. No strangers allowed, unless they have a valid reason for being there.

 

[selberdreher]

You could be called out but as long as you arent being sketchy how is anybody supposed to know you arent a random grandparent?

Because they would escort you to your alleged grandchild or appointment (at least i hope so). Also our schools usually aren't so big, that janitors or teachers don't recognize each other, they are usually well aware who is working with them.

 

[DirtyMario]

Because they would escort you to your alleged grandchild or appointment (at least i hope so). Also our schools usually aren't so big, that janitors or teachers don't recognize each other, they are usually well aware who is working with them.

Depends on the size of the school I would guess. It's been quite a few years since I've been there but my school is rather large and presumably in the same country you're from. Around 2.500 students, 200 school employees and a cleaning/maintenance crew of 15-20 people that seemed to change almost weekly. No one would ask a god damn thing if an adult stranger just showed up in there and looked busy.
But in a smaller rural school, yeah I'd agree.

Wait why were we trading tips on getting past school security again?

 

[selberdreher]

Something else to potentially think about is how August, Chuck, and Kathleen compare in relation to the endings particularly if you choose to be "good".

I don't believe there are good endings to be had with either one of them. They all have to go for a good ending involving the club.

Kathleen is obvious, she has already has shown her hands with her sadistic nature and her human experiment in the basement.
'Uncle' Chuck hides his motives well, but i think there are already plenty of hints, that he isn't a good guy. More in another post.

And honestly i always thought August gets off the hook too easily in this thread, probably because he is the future father-in-law to alot of peoplesEdwin.

Lets call out August for what he really is:

He is the manager of a black company working their employees to the bone, he is the overseer cracking the whip on a cottonfield, and the soldier who "just followed orders, because it was his job" to do.

August is in just for the money, if it is true what he wants us to believe, just another business, just another job.
Without people like him literally any greater atrocity in human history would not have been possible, without people like him every criminal organization would crumble and fall. They keep the gears running in a machine which swallows people and spits them out as a shadow of their former self, if at all.

Every single day in the last 30+ years, he could have decided to stop, walk away and start anew, and every single day in last 30+ years he instead opted for oppression, violence, drugs (strictly as part of the business, ofc) and exploiting women. And all this without remorse or second thoughts.

It's a little over a year, since he discovered his feelings for his (only?) child, which is truth to be told, damn late. And instead of securing her a better life, he is basically blackmailing her into this grim business, just to have her close to him.

I call that an asshole of a father and a miserable human being.

Regarding the three owners we have the choice between the plague, cholera and a piece of crap.

 

[Machete]

It's a little over a year, since he discovered his feelings for his (only?) child, which is truth to be told, damn late. And instead of securing her a better life, he is basically blackmailing her into this grim business, just to have her close to him.

I call that an asshole of a father and a miserable human being.

The older you get, the loner you might feel. It doesn't feel odd that only now he wants to have his daughter around and that he wants here to be a bit like him to feel closer and validated.

 

[selberdreher]

The older you get, the loner you might feel. It doesn't feel odd that only now he wants to have his daughter around and that he wants here to be a bit like him to feel closer and validated.

Yes, i can understand why he does that, but it doesn't changes the fact that those are very selfish reasons, and don't take into account his daughters wishes.

 

[selberdreher]

So something that will kill you, something that might kill you, something that is kind of annoying.

Yes, of course, of all the three owners he may be the "best" choice and myEdwin will side with him, when push comes to shove.
But still a crappy option, obviously.

 

[Machete]

Yes, i can understand why he does that, but it doesn't changes the fact that those are very selfish reasons, and don't take into account his daughters wishes.

If he wasn't selfish he would send Hana one or two continents away from them club

 

[jabob93]

Yo. I don't comment much, kinda hope the Devs are here to read this tho.

I play these games with my wife and we have a lot of fun enjoying the stories people have created.

But holy fuck nothing prepared us for this, we both (obviously) have a strong opinion that sex work is work and workers deserve to be treated right etc, and we absolutely fucking adore how these characters have been made. They seem human with their desires their wants and what makes them vulnerable. Of course this is a cum soaked romp but in between the tits there is such a wonderful glimpse of human drama and honesty.

I can't wait to see how the story will develop we also will be donating to the patron come next payday!

Thanks!

 

[selberdreher]

(...) I think its obvious that Chuck is "corrupting" Ian (introducing him to the club, showing Ian how he interacts with women etc) but what if he is doing it intentionally instead of it just being a byproduct? (...)

Yeah, i said multiple times 'Uncle' Chuck is playing the long game... and i meant really long.

 

[selberdreher]

Would August be at the club if it was not making money? I doubt he would be.

(...)
August is in just for the money, if it is true what he wants us to believe, just another business, just another job.
Without people like him literally any greater atrocity in human history would not have been possible, (...)

Yesterday, after i logged out it dawned to me, why Hana is gaining one Anger if we emphasize the importance of money.
It's the answer her father would give.

 

[invman]

Can't wait for the update I really like Hana and her character for me she's undoubtedly the best girl

The other 3 are great aswell, hoping in some romance/vanilla ending with each one in different playthrough, maybe with a Felicia redemption arc

What can I do I'm a romantic at heart!

 

[Kulman]

Can't wait for the update I really like Hana and her character for me she's undoubtedly the best girl

The other 3 are great aswell, hoping in some romance/vanilla ending with each one in different playthrough, maybe with a Felicia redemption arc

What can I do I'm a romantic at heart!

I personally really like veronica. She is not really my type (muscular etc), but she feels very unique among most games on this site. The other girls fall into your typical porn game stereotypes much more and that became a bit old for me.

Sadly I can never like goth girls like Hana, because they were all ruined for me by that csi show character that I hated growing up.

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[KKpotato]

I personally really like veronica. She is not really my type (muscular etc), but she feels very unique among most games on this site. The other girls fall into your typical porn game stereotypes much more and that became a bit old for me.

Sadly I can never like goth girls like Hana, because they were all ruined for me by that csi show character that I hated growing up.

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Hanna is nothing like her.
I usually didn't like goth girls either. But Hana changed my mind. She is a gem.

 

[starkj]

I dont think goth girls are anywhere like that girl from that show lol and Hana is so much different.

 

[Turret]

I personally really like veronica. She is not really my type (muscular etc), but she feels very unique among most games on this site. The other girls fall into your typical porn game stereotypes much more and that became a bit old for me.

Sadly I can never like goth girls like Hana, because they were all ruined for me by that csi show character that I hated growing up.

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Hana is definitely not like the character from NCIS, in more ways than one!
Normally it is a turn-off for me if a girl is tattooed to the heavy degree Hana is, but Hana is one of the characters I like the most. TD and Gil made a great job with her.

 

[redknight00]

Is every girl with black hair "goth"? I mean Kathleen has black hair, wears tight neckwear, even has a real spider (for a bit) not just a tattoo. Is Kathleen the newest goth waifu?

Goth Granny is a criminally underrated genre.

 

[Turret]

Is every girl with black hair "goth"? I mean Kathleen has black hair, wears tight neckwear, even has a real spider (for a bit) not just a tattoo. Is Kathleen the newest goth waifu?

No, definitely not, gothic is an art and clothing style going back to the literature genre! And the black hair (real or coloured) = goth is a widespread stereotype too. There are a lot of gothic heroes/heroines with blond, red and brown hair as well, if you read the literature. But mediocre movies and art spread the "all black" stuff of "gothic".

 

[Idontplay]

But doesn't granny mean very old woman?

Anyway I agree that Hana is more a goth-metal than a "pure goth".