VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Bill Temple]

Veronica and Hana the best girls in the game. For metal lovers like me Hana is kryptonite.

Hana is pure fire, and her sex scenes are like opening the valve of an acetylene cylinder on that fire.
I wasn't too keen on Vero at first, but she's grown on me as more of her arrogance is peeled back and we learn of her struggles. For me, second is Felicia. She's incredibly similar to a woman I was addicted to in my early-to-mid twenties. We damn near destroyed each other, and I have the nagging feeling that nothing would be different if we ever spoke again. I guess the saying, "Once an addict, always an addict" is really true in my case . The scenes with Fel give me a chance to vicariously re-engage with my most exhilarating nemesis.

 

[Deleted member 3083868]

Victoria was into porn to have enough money to keep living in the same place, close enough to the same tenor she and MC lived so far. I have no idea of how well might porn pay, but porn starlets don't seem so wealthy and 3 movies only dosen't seem much to be fine on long terms. She maybe did porn until she was able to get a rise of a promotion of sort in her main career. Maybe a few years, even. Unless we are to discover something even grimmer about her.

Porn did not pay much back in the day but now you have onlyfans , many manyvids and other such sites by which many stars are becoming rich. In Victoria's case she most likely became an escort servicing the likes of rich men such as Chuck which would explain her reaction when Edwin told her about Chuck getting him a job. Porn shoots take lot of time but escorting does not take as much time so it must have been convenient for her to escort as Edwin was growing up. Killian also probably knows about her being an escort and blackmails her for sex

 

[selberdreher]

Ok, hear me out, because i am not sure about this.

I was always very fond of the idea Dr. Kohler introduced Victoria to porn by getting her aquainted to August, who then produced and/or shot her videos. And i nearly buried this idea, because the 'default' or rather the education path which comes to mind for most people is the 'classic' 4-4-4: 4years Elementary, 4years Middle and 4years Highschool.

Now the compulsory school age in Maryland is from 5 to 17, and "all children who will be 5 years old by September 1 of any given year must attend school in either a licensed private or public school Kindergarten that year." quoted from Maryland law (7-301: Compulsory Attendance).
Conveniently Edwins birthday is the 7th of June, so his age lines up nicely with the usual correspondent school grades: He is 6 years old in 1st grade, 10 years old in 5th grade, and 14 years old in his freshmen year at highschool.

Sadly, by all accounts, Victoria was doing porn already before Edwin turned 14 years old, and Edwin didn't meet 'Uncle Chuck' before he joined the 'Morehead Hills High School Physics Club'.

Now i recently learned that the 'default' 4-4-4 school career is by far not the only one available:
There is the 'old', nearly obsolete 8-4: 8 years of primary school, 4 years highschool;
there is a 6-3-3 one: 6 years primary (elementary) school, 3 years Junior High and 3 years Senior Highschool;
and there is a 6-6: 6 years primary and 6 years in a combined High School.

furthermore there are Junior Highschools which offer education from grade 6 to 8 (usually), but some cover the grades from as low as grade 5 and even up to grade 9.
This would entail there are school careers such as 5-3-4 / 4-4-4 / 5-4-3 and the like possible.
Source: nces.ed.gov National Center for Education Statistics

If Morehead High is a combined Highschool this would open a 5-7 or even 4-8 school career.
We would still refer to Edwins 5th to 8th grade as 'middle school years', but he would be attending a highschool by name.
Such a school could also explain why Ian and Edwin were together at the same school throughout their whole education.

And much more important: Edwin could have known Dr. Kohler since he was just 10 years old (!), which also signifies that Chuck was aware of Edwins antics and his troublemaker childhood, because "by high school, you (Edwin) cleaned up your act".
As a 'personal mentor' of a troublesome child, he surely was able to get access to Victoria and offer his 'assistance'.

I know that's a bit of a stretch, but it's not total bullshit or implausible, no?

 

[Bill Temple]

Ok, hear me out, because i am not sure about this.

I was always very fond of the idea Dr. Kohler introduced Victoria to porn by getting her aquainted to August, who then produced and/or shot her videos. And i nearly buried this idea, because the 'default' or rather the education path which comes to mind for most people is the 'classic' 4-4-4: 4years Elementary, 4years Middle and 4years Highschool.

Now the compulsory school age in Maryland is from 5 to 17, and "all children who will be 5 years old by September 1 of any given year must attend school in either a licensed private or public school Kindergarten that year." quoted from Maryland law (7-301: Compulsory Attendance).
Conveniently Edwins birthday is the 7th of June, so his age lines up nicely with the usual correspondent school grades: He is 6 years old in 1st grade, 10 years old in 5th grade, and 14 years old in his freshmen year at highschool.

Sadly, by all accounts, Victoria was doing porn already before Edwin turned 14 years old, and Edwin didn't meet 'Uncle Chuck' before he joined the 'Morehead Hills High School Physics Club'.

Now i recently learned that the 'default' 4-4-4 school career is by far not the only one available:
There is the 'old', nearly obsolete 8-4: 8 years of primary school, 4 years highschool;
there is a 6-3-3 one: 6 years primary (elementary) school, 3 years Junior High and 3 years Senior Highschool;
and there is a 6-6: 6 years primary and 6 years in a combined High School.

furthermore there are Junior Highschools which offer education from grade 6 to 8 (usually), but some cover the grades from as low as grade 5 and even up to grade 9.
This would entail there are school careers such as 5-3-4 / 4-4-4 / 5-4-3 and the like possible.
Source: nces.ed.gov National Center for Education Statistics

If Morehead High is a combined Highschool this would open a 5-7 or even 4-8 school career.
We would still refer to Edwins 5th to 8th grade as 'middle school years', but he would be attending a highschool by name.
Such a school could also explain why Ian and Edwin were together at the same school throughout their whole education.

And much more important: Edwin could have known Dr. Kohler since he was just 10 years old (!), which also signifies that Chuck was aware of Edwins antics and his troublemaker childhood, because "by high school, you (Edwin) cleaned up your act".
As a 'personal mentor' of a troublesome child, he surely was able to get access to Victoria and offer his 'assistance'.

I know that's a bit of a stretch, but it's not total bullshit or implausible, no?

That's a lot of research for this theory. The shortcut to putting Dr. Chuck in Victoria's orbit is that Killian and Edwin were friends from elementary and Chuck is Ian's actual uncle. It's plausible that Chuck was aware of the trouble that Edwin got into on Ian's behalf. Ian's mom could have complained about the troublemaker with a single mother that her son was getting into trouble with. He could have met Victoria in passing at some point when the children were together, being picked up by parents, etc. Or given the incorrigible pervert we know him to be, he could have made it point to find out if the single mom he'd heard about was a voluptuous milf worth corrupting into porn. My point is your theory is good, but seems like a lot work that could go any number of directions TD wants to take it if he feels the need to make an airtight backstory for Chuck recruiting Vicky to porn.

 

[selberdreher]

The shortcut to putting Dr. Chuck in Victoria's orbit is that Killian and Edwin were friends from elementary and Chuck is Ian's actual uncle.

Ah, yes, lol. You are right, your version sounds easier. Thanks for setting my head straight.

It's just i don't believe Chuck volunteered for mentoring / tutoring a bunch of kids in physics, because he was interested in actual teaching. My theory is, he tutored them to get aquainted to those kids moms and/or female teachers, so i kind of took the long way around. Puh, as wonky my school career theory is, it's ultimately not needed, if yours is correct.

And i thought it was also a nice way to explain why Ian and Edwin always ended up together at the same school. I think that's is a bit unusual, no?

Anyway, we know now two valid ways in which Chuck could get (or is it 'could have gotten'?) aquainted with Victoria, before Edwin met his regular highschool age, right?

 

[帅比154]

Chayan

 

[Turret]

Victoria was into porn to have enough money to keep living in the same place, close enough to the same tenor she and MC lived so far. I have no idea of how well might porn pay, but porn starlets don't seem so wealthy and 3 movies only dosen't seem much to be fine on long terms. She maybe did porn until she was able to get a rise of a promotion of sort in her main career. Maybe a few years, even. Unless we are to discover something even grimmer about her.

Ok, hear me out, because i am not sure about this.

I was always very fond of the idea Dr. Kohler introduced Victoria to porn by getting her aquainted to August, who then produced and/or shot her videos. And i nearly buried this idea, because the 'default' or rather the education path which comes to mind for most people is the 'classic' 4-4-4: 4years Elementary, 4years Middle and 4years Highschool.

Now the compulsory school age in Maryland is from 5 to 17, and "all children who will be 5 years old by September 1 of any given year must attend school in either a licensed private or public school Kindergarten that year." quoted from Maryland law (7-301: Compulsory Attendance).
Conveniently Edwins birthday is the 7th of June, so his age lines up nicely with the usual correspondent school grades: He is 6 years old in 1st grade, 10 years old in 5th grade, and 14 years old in his freshmen year at highschool.

Sadly, by all accounts, Victoria was doing porn already before Edwin turned 14 years old, and Edwin didn't meet 'Uncle Chuck' before he joined the 'Morehead Hills High School Physics Club'.

Now i recently learned that the 'default' 4-4-4 school career is by far not the only one available:
There is the 'old', nearly obsolete 8-4: 8 years of primary school, 4 years highschool;
there is a 6-3-3 one: 6 years primary (elementary) school, 3 years Junior High and 3 years Senior Highschool;
and there is a 6-6: 6 years primary and 6 years in a combined High School.

furthermore there are Junior Highschools which offer education from grade 6 to 8 (usually), but some cover the grades from as low as grade 5 and even up to grade 9.
This would entail there are school careers such as 5-3-4 / 4-4-4 / 5-4-3 and the like possible.
Source: nces.ed.gov National Center for Education Statistics

If Morehead High is a combined Highschool this would open a 5-7 or even 4-8 school career.
We would still refer to Edwins 5th to 8th grade as 'middle school years', but he would be attending a highschool by name.
Such a school could also explain why Ian and Edwin were together at the same school throughout their whole education.

And much more important: Edwin could have known Dr. Kohler since he was just 10 years old (!), which also signifies that Chuck was aware of Edwins antics and his troublemaker childhood, because "by high school, you (Edwin) cleaned up your act".
As a 'personal mentor' of a troublesome child, he surely was able to get access to Victoria and offer his 'assistance'.

I know that's a bit of a stretch, but it's not total bullshit or implausible, no?

That's a lot of research for this theory. The shortcut to putting Dr. Chuck in Victoria's orbit is that Killian and Edwin were friends from elementary and Chuck is Ian's actual uncle. It's plausible that Chuck was aware of the trouble that Edwin got into on Ian's behalf. Ian's mom could have complained about the troublemaker with a single mother that her son was getting into trouble with. He could have met Victoria in passing at some point when the children were together, being picked up by parents, etc. Or given the incorrigible pervert we know him to be, he could have made it point to find out if the single mom he'd heard about was a voluptuous milf worth corrupting into porn. My point is your theory is good, but seems like a lot work that could go any number of directions TD wants to take it if he feels the need to make an airtight backstory for Chuck recruiting Vicky to porn.

Ah, yes, lol. You are right, your version sounds easier. Thanks for setting my head straight.

It's just i don't believe Chuck volunteered for mentoring / tutoring a bunch of kids in physics, because he was interested in actual teaching. My theory is, he tutored them to get aquainted to those kids moms and/or female teachers, so i kind of took the long way around. Puh, as wonky my school career theory is, it's ultimately not needed, if yours is correct.

And i thought it was also a nice way to explain why Ian and Edwin always ended up together at the same school. I think that's is a bit unusual, no?

Anyway, we know now two valid ways in which Chuck could get (or is it 'could have gotten'?) aquainted with Victoria, before Edwin met his regular highschool age, right?

Hi!
As many of you will know from earlier discussions, I think that Victoria was in porn a couple years, but not long enough to become a "household name" like e.g. Sunset Thomas, Jenna Jameson, Tyra Misoux or so.
She needed money quick and quite a lot to keep herself and Edwin afloat. Even with really wellpaid porn movies, the 3-4 we saw until the current situation are simply not enough for that. So there will be more porn shots of her out there.
We know that Vicky had fun doing at least some of her movies, which is something that limits her time in porn, since she was not a widely know actress. Had she been in porn for 4+ years and she liked doing it, chances are very high she would have become know as a major porn star.

As for Chuck and his involvment with Vicky´s porn career I see several nice theories, but some are very convoluted and rather unlikely. I do not think that Chuck was the one who brought Vicky into porn, but later when he learned about it he might have mentioned and brought her to his old pal August and other aquainted directors for higher grade porn.
In the flashback during Rosi´s porn shot Vicky is having fun making a porn movie, which has visibly higher quality sets and outifts than Vicky´s earlier movies, which had mostly a clear "Gonzo" vibe.
I think that was the first movie she made after Chuck brought her into contact with August and Co.. Such a scenario would fit with the situation that Vicky questions Chuck´s motives, as we learned, but she is not really hostile towards him. Would he have been the one who brought her into porn in the first place, that would be different considering her personality we currently know.

But a Chuck introducing her, after hearing her plight in life, to August and other directors for higher quality porn (and also better pay) that might fit with how Vicky thinks about Chuck. A pervy guy, hidden behind a nice surface, but he still helped her.

 

[Deleted member 4058859]

It's just i don't believe Chuck volunteered for mentoring / tutoring a bunch of kids in physics, because he was interested in actual teaching. My theory is, he tutored them to get aquainted to those kids moms and/or female teachers, so i kind of took the long way around. Puh, as wonky my school career theory is, it's ultimately not needed, if yours is correct.

Sure that could be the case but I dont think it is. Chuck seems to be genuinely passionate about physics - he speaks about how he worked his way to the top and about his nasa contract.

Of course being stuck in a room full of kids in a classroom who dont want to be there is painful but the physics club is not the same thing - its an after school club and the people who are there want to be there. There is a lot of fulfillment in sharing your passion with a group of enthusiastic learners who want to be there.

I personally would be disappointed if that was the only reason chuck was in the club - for games like these that try to be realistic I like characters to have a bit more nuance to them rather than them being one dimensional cartoonish villains. I don't have a problem with one dimensional villains where everything they do revolves around one specific motive but I dont think villains like that are a good fit for this game in particular.

 

[selberdreher]

In fact Chuck would be considerably worse because not everyone needs to join the physics club but everyone does have to enroll, another flaw is that not everyone in the in the club would have a mom he is attracted to and that he could someone convince to do porn/worse

I like characters to have a bit more nuance to them rather than them being one dimensional cartoonish villains.

I believe we can not overestimate at all, how wicked and sinister Chuck really is. All three owners are villains, with Kathleen being the most obvious one.
But in my opinion 'Uncle' Chuck could turn out as the very worst. And if my evaluation should turn out correct in the coming updates, it would prove also that he is anything but a 'one dimensional cartoonish villain', because he was able to trick you for so long.

You both are right, being there just to lure a random MILF into prostitution or porn would be too stupid and one-dimensional. However, there is much more to gain at a school than just this for an unabashed pervert. He could cuck husbands and even impregnate their women, to leave a legacy without the need to take care for those cuckoo children. He could scout and train future cumsluts, analwhores and sexslaves if this was his goal. If he does an Epstein, he could look for those juicy teenagers (i am exaggerating, but only a little). He wouldn't be the first teacher to get into the pants of their barely legal students. etc.
Assigning a school as his hunting grounds magnifies his pool of accessable women or teenagers tenfold. Womens he wouldn't have the chance to meet otherwise.

Leaving this aspect aside, there is also another gain:
Connections and Networking

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Chuck can be charming and establishes a good rapport with relative ease. So even if one of his targets may be worthless for his perverted goals, she may prove useful in other aspects: People know people who know people. And Kohler needs to know alot of people to find those one or two percent who he can actually exploit for his purposes. Even a mother who works as a cleaning help or housekeeper somewhere could prove useful to him.
That's why i said: "to get aquainted to those kids moms and/or female teachers" and not 'to get them into porn'.

We know that he legitimately enjoys physics to some extent

Chuck seems to be genuinely passionate about physics

There is a lot of fulfillment in sharing your passion with a group of enthusiastic learners who want to be there.

I also wrote: "i don't believe Chuck volunteered for mentoring / tutoring a bunch of kids in physics, because he was interested in actual teaching" and after your interjection, i have to admit that i could be wrong with this.

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So i am wondering, why not both?
Seems like a win-win-win for 'Uncle' Chuck. He does what he enjoys (teaching physics), increases his network and establishes new connections outside his normal reach, and, should the occasion present itself, can act out on his other, hidden goals (whatever their specific nature may be, perhaps he is even satisfied with sniffing worn PE jerseys).

 

[Machete]

So i am wondering, why not both?

Of course. Why not? We are not one directional beings.

I remember this crime case in Italy of some years ago. There was this guy, who was a rapist and murderer of prostitutes, he had multiple victims and he tortured them terribly. And he also used, in his free time, to volunteer to teach karate to young kids and be a referee in junior tournaments. No second purpose, he just did it out of passion and being nice.

We wear a lot of masks in our lives.

 

[selberdreher]

It would be weird for him to be so sex obsessed

I have never said that Chuck is sexobsessed, sex seems to be to him a nice byproduct of what really gets him off, a freebie so to say. He shops for a suit and get a nice tie for free, so why not take it? If it was only about sex, you are correct, he could indulge in it at the club ad infinitum. I honestly can't say what exactly rocks his boat, we don't know yet for sure.

Chuck does not have the amount of control he does when someone comes to the club (not controlling the police, school board, parents, students friends, etc)

With the chief of police being a member of the club, Chuck indeed has a fairly good control of the police, of course he doesn't personally runs that place, but his influence is considerable.
Regarding the school board, the parents, the students and perhaps the PTA, of course he is not controlling them (yet), but he will never gain influence and power at a school, if he is not present there. Chuck plays the long game, and to achieve any goal, one has to make the first step.
Regarding the teenagers, i can't say if he is after them or not, but if, for instance, the thrill of managing high risk scenarios is getting him off, they are legit targets.
My point is: the possibilities at a school are near endless, ranging from already mentioned jersey sniffing to impregnating women who are willing to raise these cukoos with their unknowing husbands, and more.

I have explained how a huge amount of porn clips can be filtered down to a managable scale by selecting specific tags. The reverse of course is also true: you need a large sample of women to find just the one of them who suits your taste, if you are looking for something specific.
Let's say he is into rather vanilla cheating: statistics show that two or three out of ten woman cheat in their marriage. So with a sample size of like 50 Chuck has already relative safe chance to score one of those. Other studies show that roughly 2 to 3 percents of husbands raise a cukoo child, so in order to find one of those willing women he already needs to scan a sample size of a few hundred. And a school provides females by the hundreds.

why not go to a private school like St Ives?

It's quite likely a high class school like St.Ives already has established a physics club and designated personnel for that.
Public schools are far more limited in their ressources, so they probably jumped happily at the opportunity, when Chuck presented himself, a successful engineer and entrepeneur of high renown.
And 'working' with the lower classes has other benefits, like handling a scandal should be considerably easier, because one don't have to deal with Ivy League lawyers, for instance.
Networking with them also provides opportunities he doesn't have at St.Ives, there are very few to none children of maids and housekeepers there, no wifes of janitors and garbage men. If you want to dig up dirt on someone or need to plant a spy inside a home, these are the people to look for.

aye, running out of time, likely to be continued...

 

[Deleted member 4058859]

I believe we can not overestimate at all, how wicked and sinister Chuck really is. All three owners are villains, with Kathleen being the most obvious one.
But in my opinion 'Uncle' Chuck could turn out as the very worst. And if my evaluation should turn out correct in the coming updates, it would prove also that he is anything but a 'one dimensional cartoonish villain', because he was able to trick you for so long.

The difference between a realistic villain and a cartoon is a realistic villain has multiple sides to them. A cartoon is one dimensional and laughably evil. What you are suggesting would turn Chuck into a complex character with motivations and a distinct personality into a cartoon so I really hope that does not happen. I like villains to be complex because people are complex and I think Chuck would be a lesser villain if every single thing about him revolved around sex and nothing else. Why cant his primary motivation be something as simple as wanting to share his passion and getting kids into science? I dont get why there has to be a hidden agenda revolving around sex for every little thing Chuck does to portray him as a villain. The shit he does in the club is more than enough to establish him as a heartless psychopath. Yes him targeting kids would make his acts worse but it would also undermine him as a character because now there is nothing more to him and his character other than being evil and wanting sex.

The complex nature of the characters is one of the reasons I like this game's writing so much. Take Ian for example - he is a complete piece of shit yet at the same time he can be kind and genuinely cares for his friends. If Ian had absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever and was a piece of shit to the MC as well I would think much less of him as a character and I think the same would apply for Chuck.

Of course all of the above is based on my tastes/preferences and you may disagree.

 

[DirtyMario]

After reading so many walls of text for pages and pages I now really need TD1900 to come in here and be like

 

[selberdreher]

Okey, lets circle back a bit, because i think it's becoming a bit convoluted on all sides.
Forget everything i said sofar, everything.

I don't know if you got kids, and it doesn't really matter. What if you're told by a school representative "We have this old pervert, who runs a brothel to cater to the elites' depraved fantasies, but he loves to teach physics, honestly, he just wants to tutor kids."
Would you be like: "Oh, he honestly just wants to tutor them? Yeah well then, cool, sure go ahead." Probably not. Why not? Because you would suspect an ulterior motive behind it. That's the point where i started.

Everything else were speculations based on the things we either know or are fairly sure of. Things like

1. He has tutored a physics club at a local high school roughly 8 years ago. Perhaps he still does.
2. The school is more likely a public than a private school, based on the fact that trailer park kids attend it.
3. A grown-up male person is not allowed on school grounds, unless he has a valid reason to be there.
4. Chuck is a self-proclaimed, proud pervert. We don't know what exactly gets him going, but it's likely not vanilla.
5. Behind every known case of misconduct, abuse, cheating, peeping and harrassment is a dark field of undiscovered cases.

So if you scrap my basic premise "He has an ulterior motive" you can scrap everything else i said. That's cool, you can do that, because i can not prove that premise.

In case you don't scrap my basic premise, i tried to display possible, more or less well founded reasons, why it could be attractive for Chuck to tutor a club at a public high school. Every single one of my reasons is debateable, because they are all speculative.

However, i think we can agree on the prospect that a school is a premium hunting ground for a cunning predator, with a huge amount of potential game compared to other places.

Personally i don't believe he tried to fuck the whole female class of 2014. Personally i don't believe he was there to sniff on some jerseys or to install cams in the women bathrooms. These are and were just examples, to illustrate the wide variety of what Chuck could pull off at a school.
There are several good reasons why he could have chosen St.Ives, but Chuck didn't, so he obviously deemed the public school more worthy or easier to achieve his goals. And one of these goals could be as simple as "It's more fun to tutor lower and middle class kids, than these spoiled, bratty ones from St.Ives."

It is quite likely that Chuck went with "Don't shit where you eat", but it's good to know that this teenager Kelsey smoked a joint in the schools backyard, that other one, Aubrey, likes accessories she can't really afford, it's good to know that Mrs Brannigan, the english teacher is unhappy in her marriage, and that Mrs Gonzales, the mother of Juan, works as a maid at the Rockefeller Estate.
All these informations may prove useful one day, and 'Uncle' Chuck can get them easily by hanging around for a coffee and a gossip at the teachers room, by talking to his pupils and observing the day to day life at the school.

Edwin, infact, is a prime example for this.
Even if there is no shared history between Victoria and Chuck, he knew years later the exact angle of attack to make Edwin surrender, he remembered this kid with a struggling single mother, and offered an incentive Edwin simply could not refuse.

 

[selberdreher]

Why cant his primary motivation be something as simple as wanting to share his passion and getting kids into science?

Why not combine the fun of tutoring with with the advantages this position holds? If a specific, appealing opportunity would present itself, i don't believe Chuck would be like "Nah, let's drop it. I'm strictly here to teach." Also don't forget, he mentors some of the kids (atleast Edwin thought of it as mentoring) which goes beyond tutoring, because one needs to take interest in someone to become their mentor.

I think Chuck would be a lesser villain if every single thing about him revolved around sex and nothing else.

I'd like to answer this with a quote from my last post:

I have never said that Chuck is sex obsessed, sex seems to be to him a nice byproduct of what really gets him off, a freebie so to say. He shops for a suit and get a nice tie for free, so why not take it?

Isn't he allowed to have other interests? Sure he is, like sharing his passion for physics with kids and playing strategic games like Chess and Go or to dress up in horrible hawaiian shirts combined with texas knucklebelts.

 

[selberdreher]

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Yes, i believe it will be in the ballpark of -10 to -15 if cheating and told Mina to break up, if he discovers both, because this would be a major betrayal of trust for Ian, probably. Only cheating depends, but i expect atleast like -5 to -10 for their Bromance, because it's never cool to cheat with your Bros girl, even if he doesn't love her. If he doesn't discover the cheating, but Mina tells him Edwin said she should breakup, this could be like -0 to -5.
Couldn't provide evidence even if i wanted to, because it's still in the future, and i am not a clairvoyant.

 

[selberdreher]

3. A grown-up male person is not allowed on school grounds, unless he has a valid reason to be there.

Assuming (logically) that the school is public it would be very easy to get on school grounds (picking up kid, claiming to be teacher/janitor etc). Not that Chuck would have to do these things but being an adult male does not instantly bar you from going onto school grounds and probably shouldn't be used as "definite" point

Okay, with this point i need some help from actual US-americans thread members, because i was under the impression that security on school grounds tightened considerably in the last two decades after Columbine.

At least for my country, where school premises are still relative easily accessible, you would be called out in no time, if spotted by teachers, other staff or even pupils. No strangers allowed, unless they have a valid reason for being there.

 

[selberdreher]

You could be called out but as long as you arent being sketchy how is anybody supposed to know you arent a random grandparent?

Because they would escort you to your alleged grandchild or appointment (at least i hope so). Also our schools usually aren't so big, that janitors or teachers don't recognize each other, they are usually well aware who is working with them.

 

[DirtyMario]

Because they would escort you to your alleged grandchild or appointment (at least i hope so). Also our schools usually aren't so big, that janitors or teachers don't recognize each other, they are usually well aware who is working with them.

Depends on the size of the school I would guess. It's been quite a few years since I've been there but my school is rather large and presumably in the same country you're from. Around 2.500 students, 200 school employees and a cleaning/maintenance crew of 15-20 people that seemed to change almost weekly. No one would ask a god damn thing if an adult stranger just showed up in there and looked busy.
But in a smaller rural school, yeah I'd agree.

Wait why were we trading tips on getting past school security again?

 

[selberdreher]

Something else to potentially think about is how August, Chuck, and Kathleen compare in relation to the endings particularly if you choose to be "good".

I don't believe there are good endings to be had with either one of them. They all have to go for a good ending involving the club.

Kathleen is obvious, she has already has shown her hands with her sadistic nature and her human experiment in the basement.
'Uncle' Chuck hides his motives well, but i think there are already plenty of hints, that he isn't a good guy. More in another post.

And honestly i always thought August gets off the hook too easily in this thread, probably because he is the future father-in-law to alot of peoplesEdwin.

Lets call out August for what he really is:

He is the manager of a black company working their employees to the bone, he is the overseer cracking the whip on a cottonfield, and the soldier who "just followed orders, because it was his job" to do.

August is in just for the money, if it is true what he wants us to believe, just another business, just another job.
Without people like him literally any greater atrocity in human history would not have been possible, without people like him every criminal organization would crumble and fall. They keep the gears running in a machine which swallows people and spits them out as a shadow of their former self, if at all.

Every single day in the last 30+ years, he could have decided to stop, walk away and start anew, and every single day in last 30+ years he instead opted for oppression, violence, drugs (strictly as part of the business, ofc) and exploiting women. And all this without remorse or second thoughts.

It's a little over a year, since he discovered his feelings for his (only?) child, which is truth to be told, damn late. And instead of securing her a better life, he is basically blackmailing her into this grim business, just to have her close to him.

I call that an asshole of a father and a miserable human being.

Regarding the three owners we have the choice between the plague, cholera and a piece of crap.