VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[camube]

This might come off as pretentious but tbh, I don't know any other way to respond this game lmao.

The Meiko Kaji avatar, the Fulci reference... Those who reject this game out of hand due to some tags they might disagree with are missing out. This is probably, at from the visual preferences that guides me in choosing a game, the only well-written game of its kind. Even disregarding the transgressiv performance of the narrative and its parts... The pacing is on point, the ebb and flow of the interactions, the retreats and pushes, not letting the electricity of touch come its full conclusion, playing around the erotic, slowly tracing a path toward its implosive moment. Pure lust, pure eroticism.

The explicitness of the show juxtaposed with the personal, the two parts of the erotic, of its wish to be as close as can be, of pushing boundaries and thereby reaching a fulfilment of a person, which is the breaking of the taboo. I couldn't bear to finish. I stopped in the middle of the Hana scene, after just having cried and laughed at the same time. Both because of the reminisence it evoked, the very real feeling of that moment in a distant past. Especially that sequence when the MC urged Hana to release her grip, as he wanted to resume control, ringed so true, that primal moment of pure eros, if wanting to become one with the other which is so incredibly real, which drives these relations... Very well-done.

Really, even if someone balks at some of these tags, at least give it a go, skip through Carnation events and the "NTR" or whatever you want to call it, and relish in the more normalised events. They are for sure without comparison in this space. If they don't evoke memories of your own, know that they are true to life in a way that nothing on this site comes close to.

Thanks for reading.

I noticed something after a while being here. Some AVN players gets automatically filtered by HoneySelect. I've read posts that said that the reason is that because HoneySelect doesn't look real.

I wonder if maybe that's a popular enough opinion where just in general, HoneySelect games have less patrons compared to DAZ games of similar level because there are less people playing it just because it's HoneySelect??

I've noticed by now that "good" games of DAZ3D have 170-300 patrons while "good" games of HoneySelect goes as abysmal as 50 patrons.

Pale Carnations looks really good in Honey Select (so much so that i don't think it even works with DAZ3D tbh) but it only has 800 patrons. Maybe there are less "people that incline to patrons" playing it than people that play DAZ games?

And yeah the writing makes the characters feels real, I agree.

So much so that I can't bring myself to choose "talk dirty" to Hana because she just feels real, and in the Pale Carnation world, she's struggling and need a release. I can't bring myself to choose options that aren't kind to her.

 

[selberdreher]

Everyone is excited about Mina-Edwin-Hana threesome but personally I was more intrigued by possible action with Ian's mother:

Considering she has her own profile I would guess it's very likely we will end up having sex with her.

I haven't played the update yet, and i try to avoid reading spoilers before that. In this case i did, and i have to say i super-rarely hand out the heart-eye smilie, but you, my friend of culture are the second or third who earned this, and i really hope your hunch is correct.

Edit: Btw her name is Grace Beaufort. Her name alone is telling enough.

 

[realisationofman]

I noticed something after a while being here. Some AVN players gets automatically filtered by HoneySelect. I've read posts that said that the reason is that because HoneySelect doesn't look real.

I wonder if maybe that's a popular enough opinion where just in general, HoneySelect games have less patrons compared to DAZ games of similar level because there are less people playing it just because it's HoneySelect??

I've noticed by now that "good" games of DAZ3D have 170-300 patrons while "good" games of HoneySelect goes as abysmal as 50 patrons.

Pale Carnations looks really good in Honey Select (so much so that i don't think it even works with DAZ3D tbh) but it only has 800 patrons. Maybe there are less "people that incline to patrons" playing it than people that play DAZ games?

And yeah the writing makes the characters feels real, I agree.

So much so that I can't bring myself to choose "talk dirty" to Hana because she just feels real, and in the Pale Carnation world, she's struggling and need a release.

I can't bring myself to choose options that aren't kind to her.

Maybe. But there still are those like Harem Hotel, Mythic Manor and Waifu Academy with plenty of subs. Might just be the "NTR" factor turning some off to this game. Though all of those have been going for a while, idk. Most of those DAZ3D games have even worse animations than Honey Select too, like Being a DIK is horrible as soon as they get going. Hopefully a well-deserved increase in subs will come...

 

[camube]

It's admirable that this is something that has yet to change, and I really hope we can help her on this journey rather than witness her descent into a jaded, compliant cog in the machine

I think eventually this has to do with her Anger Score. At the last quarter of the game, Angry Hana would probably choose a different path than a non-angry Hana.

Similarly, I think MC that fully embraces the depravity of Kathleen's Pale Carnation events would have (should have) a different path than MC that tried to are / choose relatively normal options

The game does provides the option for the MC to choose quite minimal depravity, and while right now the events for both are the same, the "experience" already differs a bit.

In all my playthrough, I never chose MC to perform with Rosalind and an MC that offers a threesome in exchange for helping Rosie is a different MC that just goes to Hana's dad when going about it. It feels like 2 different MC to me.

I'm looking forward for the "path" to differs more in future updates based on whether the MC is depraved or relatively more normal.

 

[Mtgwo]

I would also like to praise the dev on something really important here: besides de blonde from the club, i have full interest in every chracter who's receiving content so far. Thats something that i find problematic with a lot of game who got lots of characters, the delay to deliver content/and the focus on other certain character almost kills the game to me, but here is different, i like them all. Good game.

 

[ktunga]

the only path i wish to have ,,,,its the one when you destroy those in the porn vid with your mom ,alll the other doesnt matter and if you forget about that you are just another of the same scumbags like samson........

 

[SteamedHamsInc.]

I think eventually this has to do with her Anger Score. At the last quarter of the game, Angry Hana would probably choose a different path than a non-angry Hana.

Similarly, I think MC that fully embraces the depravity of Kathleen's Pale Carnation events would have (should have) a different path than MC that tried to are / choose relatively normal options

The game does provides the option for the MC to choose quite minimal depravity, and while right now the events for both are the same, the "experience" already differs a bit.

In all my playthrough, I never chose MC to perform with Rosalind and an MC that offers a threesome in exchange for helping Rosie is a different MC that just goes to Hana's dad when going about it. It feels like 2 different MC to me.

I'm looking forward for the "path" to differs more in future updates based on whether the MC is depraved or relatively more normal.

We're definitely starting to see the divergence of paths as MC either falls deeper into depravity or keeps himself afloat, and I wonder if that will play a role in how the relationship with Hana will play out. Logically it should, but that also seems like a nightmare to plot branches for.

Hana's anger score is something that I've been grappling with for a while. Anger can be used in a conducive way, as motivation for change for the better, but all of my choices seemed to have really softened her up and in most of my playthroughs Hana's anger score is at a whopping zero. Certainly the two extremes will have an effect on her character arc, but just in what direction, or even whether having it at all is good or bad, I haven't yet figured out. I guess we'll see

 

[camube]

We're definitely starting to see the divergence of paths as MC either falls deeper into depravity or keeps himself afloat, and I wonder if that will play a role in how the relationship with Hana will play out. Logically it should, but that also seems like a nightmare to plot branches for.

Hana's anger score is something that I've been grappling with for a while. Anger can be used in a conducive way, as motivation for change for the better, but all of my choices seemed to have really softened her up and in most of my playthroughs Hana's anger score is at a whopping zero. Certainly the two extremes will have an effect on her character arc, but just in what direction, or even whether having it at all is good or bad, I haven't yet figured out. I guess we'll see

Right now, whether we're playing as Normal MCs or we're playing as Depvraved MCs, the main story is the same

There's 2 essential branch for the Main Story that I would like to see,
The more depraved MCs staying in the club as Kathleen's protege or replacement.
The more normal MCs wanting to get out.

The branch on the story doesn't have to be something like Being a DIK or Our Red String where it's really convoluted and takes tons of time to plot

 

[Skylaroo]

I'm hopeful of the Hana+Mina threesome after Mina openly mentioned the possibility of such thing in the future. Please be real

 

[SteamedHamsInc.]

Right now, whether we're playing as Normal MCs or we're playing as Depvraved MCs, the main story is the same

There's 2 essential branch for the Main Story that I would like to see,
The more depraved MCs staying in the club as Kathleen's protege or replacement.
The more normal MCs wanting to get out.

The branch on the story doesn't have to be something like Being a DIK or Our Red String where it's really convoluted and takes tons of time to plot

I think we're going to get at least a variation of what you're mentioning as the endings. What I was more thinking is how each girl will fit into the said alignments. For example, I don't see there being an ending where you end up with Veronica but stay in the club, especially as a more "corrupted" individual, but I could see that being a possibility with Felicia or Mina and possibly even Hana. Each would obviously have a path that follows if the MC stays on the straight and narrow.

Whether it'll be converging on the same ending if MC is depraved beyond a certain point or whether there will be more individualized plot points is anyone's guess.

 

[camube]

I think we're going to get at least a variation of what you're mentioning as the endings. What I was more thinking is how each girl will fit into the said alignments. For example, I don't see there being an ending where you end up with Veronica but stay in the club, especially as a more "corrupted" individual, but I could see that being a possibility with Felicia or Mina and possibly even Hana. Each would obviously have a path that follows if the MC stays on the straight and narrow.

Whether it'll be converging on the same ending if MC is depraved beyond a certain point or whether there will be more individualized plot points is anyone's guess.

Probably still like closer 2 years away until we get it considering we're only 2 events deep but, I'm wondering whether the devs would take the game to a direction where MC is not just a participant on the Club but actively contributing to it.

What I mean by that is, will the MC start influencing the Carnation contestants to stay in the club after the event is over or not. The way that principal influence the teacher to stay.

That's a curiosity I have about this game. Whether the devs take it to that direction or not.
But even if that is where the direction is going, that probably happens after Week 3 if anything.

I know Hana's date is important but I really can't wait for the Penalty Event. Especially because on my playthrough, I rigged it so all three ended up with a draw, lol.

It was really hard to do it while not performing with Rosie. I refused to choose the perform with Rosie option and tried multiple times just so that the end result is a draw, lol.

 

[Unreal434]

While in a state of post-nut clarity I have noticed some obscure details like the fact that Hana wears two hairpins or how nice and detailed the couch looks. Especially when compared with the floor. Must be a real leather huh...

 

[FalconLover420]

Hello tried loading my recent save and got this

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in script
    $ ui.interact()
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in <module>
    $ ui.interact()
  File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
    renpy.load(fn)
ImportError: No module named revertable

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in script
    $ ui.interact()
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 914, in execute
    renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\python.py", line 2028, in py_exec_bytecode
    exec bytecode in globals, locals
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in <module>
    $ ui.interact()
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\ui.py", line 297, in interact
    rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 2702, in interact
    repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, **kwargs)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 3518, in interact_core
    rv = root_widget.event(ev, x, y, 0)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\transition.py", line 47, in event
    return self.new_widget.event(ev, x, y, st)  # E1101
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\screen.py", line 714, in event
    rv = self.child.event(ev, x, y, st)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
    rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
    rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 962, in event
    return handle_click(self.clicked)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 897, in handle_click
    rv = run(action)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 313, in run
    new_rv = run(i, *args, **kwargs)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 320, in run
    return action(*args, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
    renpy.load(fn)
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\loadsave.py", line 769, in load
    roots, log = loads(location.load(filename))
  File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa33580.1959\PaleCarnations-Ch4Up1-pc\renpy\loadsave.py", line 63, in loads
    return cPickle.loads(s)
ImportError: No module named revertable

Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 7.3.5.606
Pale Carnations Ch4Up1
Wed Oct 19 21:12:39 2022

 

[MrBubu]

I was already in love with Hana and then she sings one of my favorite song!
I have to say fuck it with Mina now, team Hana all the way!

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[nonamepls10]

Anyone have the mac version?

 

[JenusKudo]

It's weird tho because in my playtrough, Mina doesnt have any bi points but she still mentions having a menage à trois with Hana

Probably just a bucket list then... Only one time thing... Hana is already bi, Mina is not... Don't know what the consequences of choosing gf route or fb route....

 

[k-]

Bruh, stop making me have feelings with my decisions. Hana best girl, but I also don't want to disappoint her. You know the club is going to make us do some real shit crazy stuff. Plus preexisting promises.

 

[TempAccountBruhBruh]

I don't have to use it. Simple as that. Yall can stop crying.

Live synapse misfire.

 

[Turret]

Hana's anger score is something that I've been grappling with for a while. Anger can be used in a conducive way, as motivation for change for the better, but all of my choices seemed to have really softened her up and in most of my playthroughs Hana's anger score is at a whopping zero. Certainly the two extremes will have an effect on her character arc, but just in what direction, or even whether having it at all is good or bad, I haven't yet figured out. I guess we'll see

Hi!
Your problem is how you perceive Hana´s anger score. Yes, a certain amount of anger can be condutive, but that is a rather small amount of it. Trust me on this, serious anger or hate have the big tendency to eat you from the inside and become destructive not only to you, but your surroundings as well.
Lowering Hana´s anger does not make her forget her convictions. Even zero anger Hana knows what she wants and how she thinks about certain things. Both high and low anger Hana has "weaknesses" others can use. For example, Kath banks very much on Hana´s anger to get her shares for herself. Lowering Hana´s anger score makes it harder for Kath!

There's 2 essential branch for the Main Story that I would like to see,
The more depraved MCs staying in the club as Kathleen's protege or replacement.
The more normal MCs wanting to get out.

We will get more variants of the main story than that, that is rather sure with what we know already. There will be paths for both "corrupted" and "normal" MCs to stay at the club or to leave it. That the general circumstances of these endings will be VERY different is a given though!
For instance, I speculate given our current knowledge of the game, that a "normal" or only slightly "corrupted" MC staying at PC in the end, means that Kath and her support have to go in that ending. Chuck likely too. August might be staying, but I think that depends a lot if we played the Hana path (and a reconciliation of Hana and her Dad). Just one possible scenario.

TD once mentioned that staying or leaving the Club will be a major decision point, but that there will be paths for corrupted or normal MCs on both sides of this divide.
I think we get these 4 major routes, just to keep the game from becoming too problematic to handle, since the "small" variations will be the big meat. Who will be the main LI of the MC, who will be at the Club with him, with whom are we friends, who has been kicked out, what are the changes in the Club now? Did a mostly "normal" Mc convince e.g. Rosi to stay at the club? What with Abel and Sophia? And so on.
Likewise for the "Leaving" routes.

 

[msleomac]

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