VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[camube]

Also April over here at SEA but then again it's about to hit 5 AM here and I don't see updates on patreon or discord plus public release is expected to be on April 15th.

its gonna get leaked long before mid-april.
Also, i'm a patron, i want to play this minute 1

 

[Bill Temple]

Tell me you wish you were a member of the Carnation Club IRL without telling me.

Falica, Veronica and Rosilda are whore.
Yes Kathleen is a pimp, But she cheat on her husband so she is a whore.

Yes most LI are whores but your point about Mc being whore.
Men are not whore because since the beginning of human race they are buyers of service.

A key that open most lock is a master key but that lock is shitty one.

About Rosalind, On moral level yes she has best character. Because of her devotion to her child, But that not give her free pass from being a whore.

I admit in Falica, veronika, kathleen and Rosalind, Rosalind is best character.

 

[TD1900]

That line of thinking right there needs to get fucked.

The MC is a whore. He is performing sexual services (his job at the Carnation Club) in exchange for compensation (his wage, company lodging, and paying for his education). The fact that he has a dick does not change that.

The fact that humanity has largely existed as a series of patriarchies throughout most of recorded history doesn't make the MC any less of a whore either, but it does explain bullshit leaps of non-logic to excuse labeling men with the same titles used to largely deride women.

This gets back to my original point, that collectively we need to stop using 'whore' as a pejorative.

Exactly.

Not to sound like a hippie, but a woman who sleeps around is no different than a man who sleeps around; that is, they're human beings each with a unique set of circumstances. Sometimes those circumstances make said promiscuity callous and hurtful, other times it's harmless. Reducing people down to simple terms, especially ugly ones, is a contributing factor to many, many, many larger problems in the world.

I know this is a porn game, but I like to think the carnations, the house girls, and Edwin's mother are all portrayed in an empathetic light. They're certainly portrayed more favorably than any of the men in the game.

will the release be America April 1st or Australia April 1st?
because i can't wait to play if it's Australia April 1st (which is already april 1st now in AUS)

I'm in the EST time zone and we have historically released between the early morning to noon. Usually it's when GIL and I happen to catch each other awake the midst of our sporadic sleep schedules.

 

[Bill Temple]

I have to disagree with that, to me a women who sleeps around and does not get paid for it is a whore, a women who gets paid for sex is a hooker/prostitute, it might be a mater of semantics but I do believe there is a difference between the two.

All words for prostitute (ie "a person who engages in sexual activity with another in exchange for compensation"), including the word "prostitute" itself, have been applied to promiscuous women at some point and with varying prevalence. Where I grew up, I often heard girls referring to other girls as prostitutes when they clearly weren't actual paid sex workers.

Your particular distinction between a whore and a hooker is your own. It's probably informed by how and when you first learned the words and in which cases your childhood friends used the words to disparage women, but there's nothing even remotely resembling a consensus on which word means "promiscuous woman" and which one refers to a sex worker engaging in prostitution.

 

[camube]

Exactly.

Not to sound like a hippie, but a woman who sleeps around is no different than a man who sleeps around; that is, they're human beings each with a unique set of circumstances. Sometimes those circumstances make said promiscuity callous and hurtful, other times it's harmless. Reducing people down to simple terms, especially ugly ones, is a contributing factor to many, many, many larger problems in the world.

I know this is a porn game, but I like to think the carnations, the house girls, and Edwin's mother are all portrayed in an empathetic light. They're certainly portrayed more favorably than any of the men in the game.



I'm in the EST time zone and we have historically released between the early morning to noon. Usually it's when GIL and I happen to catch each other awake the midst of our sporadic sleep schedules.

alright, have a good night rest.
I'll wait another 12-16 hours until tomorrow then

Unless you wanna psych us and just release tonight
plz
lol

 

[ename144]

I mean... there's the literal definition of a whore, meaning a prostitute, and then there's the more informal usage that is often wrapped up in an ugly mess social mores, personal hang ups, and puritanical bullshit.

Strictly speaking, none of Carnations are whores until a winner is crowned. Then precisely one of them will be a whore and the other two just be slutty losers.

Since we're being technical, Rosalind has a separate chance to become a whore (formally) in Chapter 4 if you get her to agree to the threesome with Killian to clear her immediate debt. Pretty classic quid pro quo there.

Not that it really changes the larger point that 'whore' is a widely misused and unfortunately misogynistic insult.

Boy, that update can't come too soon!

 

[cheesetriangles]

If we are labeling anyone that has sex with multiple partners a whore then the biggest whore of the main cast is the player and it's not even close. There is nothing wrong with someone having multiple partners if they are up front about it with their SO if one exists. This is the forum that has people having meltdowns over any love interest not being a pure maiden though.

 

[xslayermkdx]

Can someone send link for Discord?

 

[kinte]

This all has served well to temper my still lingering affection & nostalgia for the forums of the aughts

 

[EvolutionKills]

This is the forum that has people having meltdowns over any love interest not being a pure maiden though.

Fuckin' tell me about it...

I often imagine this is what it feels like to be in a 'movie appreciation' club/group/forum and being the only one who enjoys Fight Club because you understand it is satire, while everyone else unironically lionizes Tyler Durden (the poster child for toxic masculinity).

Is that super hot MILF next door fucking her husband instead of me? Guess that makes me a cuck!

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

This all has served well to temper my still lingering affection & nostalgia for the forums of the aughts

It did for a moment for me too, then posts disappeared and I realized I was well into the zoomer era....

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

If we are labeling anyone that has sex with multiple partners a whore then the biggest whore of the main cast is the player and it's not even close. There is nothing wrong with someone having multiple partners if they are up front about it with their SO if one exists. This is the forum that has people having meltdowns over any love interest not being a pure maiden though.

Pretty much this. It is weird seeing some of those folks having meltdowns about "ntr", "lack of virginity/purity", "beta MC" and other "woke things".
Specially in a game with the kind of themes Pale Carnations addresses.

Can someone send link for Discord?

Isn't it only for patrons?

 

[Bill Temple]

Who wouldnt? You even help the prostitutes/carnations making big money

Yikes! Not me. I'm in favor of rough stuff and not afraid of sadism, but I couldn't enjoy it if I had any suspicion that the other party was only accepting because of financial desperation.

No offense TD, but this about sums up one of biggest problems in the west right now.
All men bad,

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Empathetic/Sympathetic and "wonderful" are pretty different things. Understanding someone's situation and commiserating the reasons behind their poor choices isn't the same as assuming that women are blameless in every situation.
Examples that don't support your thesis of "All men bad, women are wonderful":

• The club doorman is a pretty good guy.
• Kathleen is very far from wonderful.
• As plenty of other people have noted, Felicia and Veronica have fairly selfish reasons to submit to the competition, but at least Felicia is corrupted enough to enjoy it. Veronica enduring this competition is just plain dumb, not wonderful.
• Van Doren's assistant (forget her name) is shown as smart enough to avoid the corruption she's cooperating with, yet she's involved nonetheless: not wonderful.
• Edwin is conflicted about his involvement in the club's activities and has the option to be pretty compassionate in the circumstances he's placed himself in: somewhat wonderful.

Sure there could be more examples of less corrupt, selfish men, and there could be more examples of dark, vile women, but I don't see a place for either of those in this story given the themes and plot without unnecessary bloat. I don't think we should take the plot of PC as social commentary on gender relations in the Western world.

 

[xslayermkdx]

When we can expect the new update here on the forum?

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

When we can expect the new update here on the forum?

I would say it is more likely next weekend when platinum tier patrons will get the game. Doubt there will be anyone at the Owner tier ($50) leaking the game.

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

imagine the outcry if kathleen was a man doing these things lol

I dont get your point. Abel, chuck, warren and the dirty old bastards do those exact things. Warren beating up Emma or that story about how a patron injured a girl so badly she could not work for a month was worse to me than what Kath had done.

A big part of Pale Carnations is Edwin's struggle to retain his humanity. It makes total sense to portray the underdogs in an empathetic light thats more favorable than the club patrons. If you did not do that, there is no reason for Edwin to go towards the good guy route - it would not be a moral dilemma anymore and this would turn into a shitty generic sadism simulator.

I dont know why you expect to see humanity's finest in a club like that. For the story to work you need perverted old bastards doing perverted old things and you need the whores and the carnations to feel helpless and desperate. You have characters like Jacob (and arguably Ian) but they should be an exception - if the patrons were like Jacob the story simply would not work.

It is then on you the player and the choices you make to decide the fate of the girls and by extension the club. Will you help them? Or are they fucked?

 

[死魔葬]

I paid ＄10, one more week is ok,but if they publish the announcement early like the last
time let me wait for a another week...fine, i will support the leak

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Abel is such a "nice guy" that he is conducting a ilegal drug test in the Carnations club's prostitutes.

Chuck is so "nice" that most the women working there are afraid of him and even the other patrons are afraid when he gets angry. And if that wasn't enough, it is heavily implied he is involved in the reason for the disapearance of the guy who held Edwin's current job.

And let's not forget August. Such a "nice guy" blackmailing his daughter to get her into the family business, just so he can leave a legacy behind.

You can't simply ignore the game's story and events to try to prove your point.

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

what bad did abel or chuck do? or the 'dirty old bastards'?
most of the 'dirty old bastards' (except ~3) have done nothing but normal sex and watching and basically paying the prostitutes life/carnations dreams
see, you put them on the same level as kathleen who is purely sadistic and is responsible so far for almost all suffering we have seen live on screen

and warren is surely the most hated character in the game for most people

You said and I quote 'imagine the outcry if kathleen was a man doing these things lol' and I responded with 'warren is worse'. Also see everything RC-1138 Boss said in the post above.

The point of my post was partly to tell you why I think TD's post makes perfect sense to me - the story would not be compelling and there would not be a moral dilemma if it was not easy to empathize with the whores and carnations. And I made my post partly to stop the political bullshit that was being added to the conversation when there is no need to do so - it never goes well in a forum like this one. People will just argue back and forth in circles.

In any case I am done with this conversation. If we disagree so be it.

 

[Hector Wimbleton]

Can someone send link for Discord?

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Isn't it only for patrons?

Nope