Turret

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hm, we seem to have a different frame on things

i cant even remember a single incident where kat, chuck or august tried to put a girl in bad life circumstances, so she would start working at the club. iirc that was only samson as a patron. if the carnation club offers desperate women profitable work with shit conditions and the girls freely decide to accept that - its honestly their own problem. so far iirc the club owners have not coerced or blackmailed a girl into working there. even kat just uses her fund to give desperate women a choice - like rose. shit choices, yes, but seemingly still choices the women are happy to take. without the club they seemingly would be worse off. i think kat once said something along the line of having a girl on the hook, but she said that with lucy as well, and she's just there out of greed and ego.
not like the club owners are saints, but i just cant remember them really doing something really bad with the girls. august seems to even be not amused about warrens doings, considering that the boss whore intimidated him with mentioning august. and i think abel sounded like augusts possible murders were before the club dealings.

its just a work of fiction so every clue is just TDs mind, but i feel the undrground medical experiments are kept so secret from chuck and august, because they would not sanction the cruelness of them. also not really thinking kat is into murder.

but who knows. TD decides. i definitely find cold scientific cruel testing way more creepy than for example chuck's stuff likely driven by hedonist desire
Yes, that seems to be the case.

It is simply an illusion of choice if Kath gives a future housegirl or Carnation the option of a "bad choice" and a worse "option b"! Take Rosi, she is a prime example of the false choice Kath gives others. Rosi has the choice between not taking part in the sadistic games Kath devices and just facing the "tender mercies" of "just Oliver" for her daughter and herself. That is no choice at all. And happy? How do you come to the conclusion are happy taking the poisoned chalice Kath, Chuck or August offers them?

Lucy and Felicia are exceptions from the norm, because Lucy is too stubborn to admit that another school for her kid is quite good as well. And Felicia is the biggest exception of all, since it is mentioned several times that she is the first to be in the games of her own free will. Those on Feli´s path know the real reason she is there, but she is the only one(!) who could throw in the towel and not being in a worse position afterwards.
August does not make the life of some housegirls or Carnantions miserable himself, but has few problems accepting newbies from his gangster connections. And these girls are also under duress, see the new one Otto brought. August is the only one the owners who is selfaware enough to see he is not a good person.

i feel the undrground medical experiments are kept so secret from chuck and august, because they would not sanction the cruelness of them.
Pardon me, but here you are completely on the woodway. Kath keeps the experiment a secret because it becomes clear from early on that she wants more power in the Club. It seems Abel and Sophia said they would help her gaining more power, that is the only reason Kath keeps the experiment a secret from the others! Not because of the cruelness, Kath and Chuck get off on this! And if it helps make money, August is okay with nearly everything. They would not care a bit about the experimentation done! The secrecy is because Kath tries to nurture an independent trump card in her own ppowerplay.
Abel and Sophia loath the PC owners, that is very clear. The current alliance between them and Kath is one of convenience nothing more.

i definitely find cold scientific cruel testing way more creepy than for example chuck's stuff likely driven by hedonist desire
As said, it is not certain how cruel the testing Sophia does really is! It is not shown unlike stuff the PC owners condone, like, get off of and do or let do. And I am astonished that you find Chuck less creepy, esp. since it was insinuated several times how bad he is. Doc Sophia is calculating, cool to cold, amoral, a "the endgoal sanctions the means" type and certainly dangerous when she needs to be. When such a person states she finds someone scary, you should be doubly warned!
Sophia also tests the stuff on herself and she is certainly not one who will take a lethal risk! I see a high probabilty that the person in the secret basement is only still alive, because Sophia does what she does. As said, under other circumstances Warren or the others would have killed the test subjcct already. It was mentioned several times what is the normal outcome if someone crosses the PC club the wrong way.
 
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What the fuck did i just play??

No-For real, this shit is too good, too good, i mean, TOO FUCKING GOOD

This game is the only one that is at the level of Being A Dik in terms of entertainmet( i played a lot )

but bro. what the fuck. i got so invested in the story, this never happen time (only 1 time , with BAD)

i played, acting lessons, depraved awakening, dreams of desire, becoming a rockstar, city of broken dreamers(close but not enough) , deliverance, leaph of faith, once in a lifetime. and probably all the VN's you are thinking about

and only beong a dik has had that effect on me of being really invested in a porn game. until now, holy fuck

and with illusion models!! WTF amazing bro AMAZING
 

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I've been able to install the new update on android and figured out how to move all my saves across but I noticed that my gallery is now locked so I have to go back to the start to unlock all the early scenes anyway despite having my saves up to the end of ch4 up1. Does anyone know a way around this? I didn't copy across the "persistent" file as there was already one in the new renpy_saves folder. Could this be the reason?
 

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Updated Android port. Nothing too fancy but let me know if you have any issues.

Version: Ch 4 Up 2 Public + Cheat by The Witcher + WT by Lunarmist

The game grew beyond the 2GB barrier and android won't let you install anything bigger. Hence the new instructions:

MPORTANT Instructions:
1. Download the NEW APK:
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2. Install the apk and run it once.

If you are updating (and you already have the RPA in place) you may stop here.

3. Download the RPA file (NOTE - if you already have the RPA file you don't have to download it again):
* Pixeldrain
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4. Move the RPA file to the game directory on your phone:
Documents/Renpy_Saves/com.estrada777.palecarnations/game
The file MUST be named: archive4.2.rpa
5. Restart the game and enjoy.

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Loxxxthenasty

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It maybe a wee bit early to ask but, will each carnation have a good ending with MC.???
I can see a throuple with Hana and Mina, Veronica and Rosalind, Felicia and Mina, Felicia and Sophia??.. KATHLEEN!!!
 
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Gato21

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It maybe a wee bit early to ask but, will each carnation have a good ending with MC.???
I can see a throuple with Hana and Mina, Veronica and Rosalind, Felicia and Mina, Felicia and Sophia??.. KATHLEEN!!!
Kathleen? I find her a great character and immensely entertaining, but come on, that bitch needs a stake metaphorically driven through her heart.
 

reeroll

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What is planned next after this update?
Is Victoria going to be "fuckable" like rosalind,felicia?
Because the cliffhanger got me confused, I saw previously that the dev did not want to plan sexual content on her.
 

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Victoria only in flashbacks from her porn videos. No incest will ever happen in this game (devs already said this).
That's what I tought, I was just checking to make sure.
Any news about which character will be the main focus of the next update?
 

Turret

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yes, i find a woman who is into hunting, freely chooses to let herself get gang banged on drugs on a food table, considers herself the worlds best chemist alive, is the personal slave of a scientist willingly, the way she absolutely toys with smart mc, is into experimenting on humans against their will, and is a chess master - all at the same time - much more creepy than chuck who seemingly just wants to fuck and even is willing to play 100 matches of chess against sophia just to fuck her. maybe future revelations will change that. she just seems like an absolute psychopath. the club owners seem more like slaves of their desire.
Sophia is a prime example of the fact that genius is just a shouting distance away from not being fully right in the head, but that is something you can work with quite well. Chuck on the other hand is a Janusface per excellence, you do not want to see what goes on when he let the reigns slip, willingly or unwillingly. Chuck does not want to "just" fuck Sophia, it is very massively implied that Chuck letting loose is nothing you want to be in attendence and is dangerous to boot!
The Housegirls he uses sometimes are deeply frightened of him. And more, the character you find so creepy, Sophia Lundgren, finds Chuck scary!
A tipp for you from life experience: If someone you know to be creepy or dangerous or strange is telling you he/she finds something this or that, listen closely and act accordingly!

while kat seems to be collaborating with abel+sophia because of getting more power and enjoying the drug testing, it wouldnt require her to keep the experiments a secret from august and chuck if they would be okay with it though.
so my guess would be that they would not be okay with it.
Pardon, but I am unable to follow your train of thought here, because I find it to be on the wrong salient. There have been multiple hints, e.g. Kath pushing Hana to accept her share in the club with the intention to buy her out later, the secret collaboration with Abel and Sophia, that Kath wants to gain more power in the club at the least, maybe longterm pushing out the others, becoming sole owner.
Naturally she collaborates with Abel in secrecy so that Chuck and August does not get wind of her gathering influence and power! The experimentation in the basement is nothing that would shock them, Chuck would even like it nearly as much as Kath does. But Kath does it in secret because she holds her deck close to the chest, she wants a hidden ace against Chuck and August.

its kinda a bit of a pointless discussion since we only have clues, but i find the knee jerk reaction many have (not sying you do) hearing about prostitutes a bit weird, since in many countries (at least in europe and asia) many prostitutes do it purely for financial advantage/easier job and not because they are forced into it by evil people. not all prostitutes are victims.
I live in a nation where prostitution is legal and have no problems with the general concept of prostitution. And I know that a nice sized chunk of prostitutes here do it for the money, it is a job like many others. A minority even gets off on it.
But even here we have a segment of prostitutes which were forced into it, not as much as in some other nations, but still.

But what you overlook when it comes to the PC club, that we have multiple smaller and bigger hints, through events and conversations, that the majority of the Housegirls is forced to work there for various reasons.

but that the girl in the basement is there for personal preference seemed highly unlikely.
Certainly not, but she would be dead already otherwise. Who do you think put her there? Kath and her right hand Warren, Abel and Sophia would not be there to experiment if they had a secret "supply" of test subjects elsewhere.
Kath stated that a Darius situation would never happen again and Chuck phrased his answer very ambigiously to his fate.
Even if Darius and his girl made it, Kath is resolved to never let it happen again, which means a terminal solution. It is implied that the girl in the basement is one nobody will miss and crossed Kath the wrong way. Which means she would have been killed as a loose end by Kath via Warren, but being a test subject for Sophia´s tests keeps her alive.
 

Bill Temple

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the changelog said the revised a chapter but which one was it? im confused :/
Some people didn't feel that Edwin's character was consistent with their other play choices during the last scene with the unexpected guests.
The public version is out now:



Probably not worth redownloading the update, but I wanted to note here that we revised Ch4Up2's concluding scene to be player driven. This is mostly an RP and flavor thing; You won't miss anything critical by not going back and replaying it.
 

Bill Temple

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btw had to search up janusface and just before hitting enter i knew for some reason what would come up lol
very strange, didnt know the word heh
ahh, a type of glitch in the matrix. your knowledge table sometimes gets updated ahead of the global events table due to bottlenecks and insufficient concurrency controls. It's a common enough problem with massive distributed databases, but not to worry, there's a cleanup algorithm that should correct that next time you sleep.
 
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