VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Ass prefer]

Does anyone have any info or suspicions about future developments for MC/Mina/Hana routes ? I get the impression that outside of a possible threesome with Hana and Mina, we shouldn't expect much else, and perhaps only with the prerequisite of having a non-exclusive or sex friend relationship with Hana.

Would it be possible for a trouple, for example, to be formed with both girls on the road to non-commitment with Hana at the start, and could we in another case become a classic couple with Hana starting as sex friends at the beginning ? These are questions I've been asking myself, and I get the impression that vagueness has been deliberately maintained for some time about possible outcomes with the two girls, and/or separately I mean.

I was wondering whether Mina would end up discovering or frequenting the club with the MC, who after all seems to want to embark on a quest to discover her own sexuality and freedom. I'm guessing that the MC's own mother will also eventually learn of the club's existence and/or our involvement in it, more or less voluntarily with no doubt an eventual corruption of our character ending up feeling a little too much in his element. It would be great if the MC could in turn corrupt or pervert Mina, and probably more likely Hana, at least with her growing participation in the brothel's activities.

Will we see more about perversion, and especially for my part the development of sadism within the MC, which seemed like a possible interesting narrative development in the plot ? For the moment, it seems to be nothing more than a fluffy piece of dialogue for certain scenes, without really introducing anything very noteworthy in the evolution of the story.

Does the game really end at the end of week 4 and at the last exhibition show, or will it go on for longer knowing that the MC will continue to work there to pay for his medical studies after the end of the summer during his university year; if I've understood correctly what was said at the beginning of the story about the conditions of his contract with the club.

How does this game end? Do you mean the current updates? because the game not over yet

 

[N024]

This update was so unbelievably worth the wait I genuinely can't put it into words. The sheer work put into every render (and the animations!!!) together with the most ungodly presently surprising writing is legitimately just absurd. I'm again caught between that midpoint where I wished I'd discovered this game sooner while also appreciating that I had so much to run through before getting caught up; and it turns out that getting caught up is just as much fun! Hana is perfect, Felicia is perfect, Mina is perfect, and there's stuff in this update that's not immediately fed to me that I don't even know about yet! I'm again reassured that the people behind this game fully know what they're doing and I really just couldn't be happier.

Also holy shit, the choice to make the bitchy art reviewer aroused by getting blackmailed and bullied? Peak.

 

[Turret]

More or less this. The threesome with Rose IS the Club business; it was the price Ian requested for clearing Rose's short-term debts. By contrast, to the extent Felicia's date is Club business, it's entirely in escorting her to the art show; you don't *need* to sleep with her afterwards to accomplish that, hence doing so represents the MC cheating.

My guess is that Hana will eventually comment on the threesome with Rose once she learns of it. While I doubt she'll be happy, she'll probably roll with it so long as the MC treats it as a rare exception. If the MC tries to shut down her concerns or keeps doing that kind of thing, that's when the gloves might come off.

As for why it doesn't count as 'cheating,' from what TD said it sounds like the cheating counter is more about how blasé the MC is when it comes to Hana than some sort of doomsday counter for the relationship. Given that, I can see why Rose's threesome wouldn't count: the MC sees it as a pre-existing commitment rather than a conscious decision to bend the newly minted rules.

I agree with you on this reading of the cheating points! In my 3 canon playthroughs the Rosi threesome is a non-factor since I always chose a specific different option to gain brownie points there, but the Felicia date is one.
In my Hana playthrough I told Feli that some things have changed and that the evening will be a simple date without any naughty fun.

 

[Takkatakka]

The threesome with Rose IS the Club business;

Yeah...no. Pretty sure that Hana wouldn't accept that as being part of the club business. Neither are stuff like the fuck after the date with Veronica or after the evening with Felicia. All of those a clear violations of Hanna's stipulation and it would be very weird if she would see it any other way.

 

[ename144]

Yeah...no. Pretty sure that Hanna wouldn't accept that as being part of the club business. Neither are stuff like the fuck after the date with Veronica or after the evening with Felicia. All of those a clear violations of Hanna's stipulation and it would be very weird if she would see it any other way.

I agree about the others, but disagree about Rose. How would the MC get out of the threesome without effectively voiding the deal with Ian? Yeah, in a practical sense Ian would be willing to release the MC if we explained the situation to him, but the MC would still be left feeling like he ripped off his friend. That's why I view this situation differently than fucking Veronica or Felicia: sex was explicitly the key part of the arrangement from the get go, long before the MC's commitment to Hana.

But as I said, that explains why the threesome won't set a precedent for whether the MC keeps mentally noting his lack of fidelity. The question of whether Hana accepts this logic will be determined much more by how the MC handles it once she learns of the incident.

 

[Takkatakka]

How would the MC get out of the threesome without effectively voiding the deal with Ian?

I don't remember them setting up an actual contract (never mind the fact that you can get out of those if the circumstances change as well).

 

[ename144]

I don't remember them setting up an actual contract (never mind the fact that you can get out of those if the circumstances change as well).

Funny, I don't recall Hana drafting up a contract either.

 

[Takkatakka]

Funny, I don't recall Hana drafting up a contract either.

She doesn't have to. If she thinks Edwin cheated, that will be it.

 

[ename144]

She doesn't have to. If she thinks Edwin cheated, that will be it.

Right. And if she doesn't, it won't be.

 

[Takkatakka]

Right. And if she doesn't, it won't be.

She will though, having a threesome (with Ian of all people) would be utterly unacceptable for her...I mean...I guess TD could write it that way, but it really wouldn't be believable and it wouldn't fit her character.

 

[ename144]

She will though, having a threesome (with Ian of all people) would be utterly unacceptable for her...I mean...I guess TD could write it that way, but it really wouldn't be believable and it wouldn't fit her character.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. If Hana is looking for excuses to end the relationship she will find them, threesome or not. If she's interested in making it work, she'll at least listen to the MC's side before making any decisions at the first stumbling block.

 

[TD1900]

Edwin going along with the Rosalind threesome on the Hana GF path is a matter of two things:

1) How he perceives it to not be a violation of his promise to Hana.
2) Me not wanting to write a messy exit path that will complicate the boys' relationship for the small cross section of players that did the threesome path and then then GF'd up Hana. It's a hackish reasion, but I can't say that didn't factor into the choice of keeping things linear there.

Realistically, Hana would / will take umbrage about the situation; if not on a fidelity basis, than just how messed up Ian taking advantage of Rosalind's debt to have some "bro time" is and Edwin's lack of compunction going along with it. The thing is, that is an extension of Hana's problems with the club in a general, and a reflection of her own disappointment in herself for abiding it. Her getting mad at Edwin would be a form of self-loathing, even if she's not aware of it.

Food for thought: the whole "monogamy" thing is a tenuous stipulation to begin with, and even if Edwin keeps to it, both acknowledged that it still may not work out. Saying you're okay with your boyfriend fucking whores for work may sound good in the moment, sound like a logical concession given their reality, but when you witness it, or feelings develop deeper... who knows. Feelings are messy and relationships aren't build on logic. On the flip side, it could work out; they have a rather unique connection, in the midst of volatile situation, and player choice will factor into how their relationship progresses.

Also, some hack is controlling their lives like a puppet

 

[Turret]

She will though, having a threesome (with Ian of all people) would be utterly unacceptable for her...I mean...I guess TD could write it that way, but it really wouldn't be believable and it wouldn't fit her character.

And here comes in the different ways we can play the game. Depending on our decisions during the game it is possible for Ian and Hana to develop "an understanding". They won´t be big friends, but Ian can score some brownie points with Hana. In the current update we can see a bit of this. So I doubt that the threesome would be unacceptable to Hana on these paths.

 

[Takkatakka]

So I doubt that the threesome would be unacceptable to Hana on these paths.

Yeah sure...

I mean...we will see...in the end this isn't real life anyway and if TD wants to make it work, he'll find a way. I would still find it very odd.

 

[Idontplay]

Acually he has already started to pave the way for that threesome.

 

[pv7]

If shit hits the fan you can always change the variable and pretend MC dreamed of the threesome and because Ian loves him so much he had the same dream as well

 

[Turret]

Yeah sure...

I mean...we will see...in the end this isn't real life anyway and if TD wants to make it work, he'll find a way. I would still find it very odd.

The thing is that the keeping Rosi in the game is club business and if you chose Ian as the money lender/giver that is his price. This deal also predates Hana and MC becoming a full couple. Depending on how you play, Hana and Ian´s relationship thaws a bit.
So I can see how Hana could stomach this threesome as something of an exception, not to be repeated.
As I mentioned in another post, in my 3 canon playthrough varinats, this threesome is a non-factor since I used a different method to get rid of "just Oliver".

 

[Elduriel]

The thing is that the keeping Rosi in the game is club business and if you chose Ian as the money lender/giver that is his price. This deal also predates Hana and MC becoming a full couple. Depending on how you play, Hana and Ian´s relationship thaws a bit.
So I can see how Hana could stomach this threesome as something of an exception, not to be repeated.
As I mentioned in another post, in my 3 canon playthrough varinats, this threesome is a non-factor since I used a different method to get rid of "just Oliver".

I just ask Ian on the Hana FWB path, and Felicia on the GF path, problem solved. Multiple saves, who thinks of that, amirite?

 

[Turret]

I just ask Ian on the Hana FWB path, and Felicia on the GF path, problem solved. Multiple saves, who thinks of that, amirite?

As I wrote, I have three personal canon playthroughs. One with Hana GF, one with Felicia GF (I think after this update it is clear that Feli is your girlfriend if played towards it) and one with Sophia GF (hopefully we get her as a late entry LI /GF, since she is a great fit for several variants of Edwin). In all cases I chose August, which was very interesting how it played out. "Just Oliver" made a big mistake.

 

[Ungawa]

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